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Killer rank should be per Killer instead of all.

CallMeBacon
CallMeBacon Member Posts: 54
in General Discussions
Alright so here is the blunt of this discussion/idea: What if Rank for killers was tied to individual killers instead of them altogether.

Hear me out at the very least.
So recently I got to rank 1 mainly with Myers and Wraith and It's completely put a sledge in my ability to play almost any other killers as their levels and my skills with them just doesn't match Rank 1 play. I try Clown and I get demolished. I try hag, someone I've played before, and I lose more then I win. Considerably more then I win. Ranking up as been killing my motivation to play other killers, and to even play the game itself. I can't attempt to de-rank ether, cause then I'd face a Temporary Ban. Or be bored out of my mind for an entire day.

Wouldn't it just be nice to get your favorite killer to rank 1, and then switch off to play someone new at a rank that's perfect for your skill lvl at that moment in time? 

I mean this for Killer only because if we're being honest, survivors are skins. Your skills with Dwight are the same with David. Perks or no perks. Killers are a bit different. Your skills with Nurse are not the same as your skills with Hillbilly, no matter what perks you have.

P.S. This would also tie in perfectly with people's wishes for Rank 1 rewards. They could be tied to a specific killer. For ex. Get Trapper to Rank 1 and receive an exclusive skin (Like Prestige. But harder)

Comments

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    This guy pretty much nailed it. My recommendation is to play the killers you are weak on after a season reset. Then you can build up experience with appropriate level survivors. Seasons reset monthly so it isn't a big deal to wait until then.

  • SmokePotion
    SmokePotion Member Posts: 1,089

    on one and, I love the idea, and thought of it myself.

    On the other hand, that means that I, as a killer main, could get my favorite killers up to rank 1, and keep a few at the lower levels just to stomp on people I shouldn't play against.

    But on the third hand (we all got three right?) People already derank. Why make it easier?

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

  • Madjura
    Madjura Member Posts: 2,477

    Great idea. Would also solve the problem with disgustingly long killer queues at rank 1 at the moment.

    Good when new killers release too, no longer do you have to up against 4 man SWF squads with meta builds while all you have are the first tiers of the killer's own perks.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

    Are you kidding me?
    What could go wrong if a rank 1 killer suddenly switches to his rank 20 killer?

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

    Are you kidding me?
    What could go wrong if a rank 1 killer suddenly switches to his rank 20 killer?

    Well if he never played that killer he will perform badly too, isnt that the point of the rank system?

    I dont get why this would be abuse. Sure a lot of general knowledge will carry over to another killer, but I dont see a real problem with this. SWF are allowed to queue with low ranks too, soo whats exactly the point? :lol:

  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    That was one of my wishes as well, until i realized that you can terrorize low ranks with 11 other Killers without having to derank.
    Sure, you might not be as skilled with this Killer than with that one, but almost all Killers play the same basic way anyway.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

    Are you kidding me?
    What could go wrong if a rank 1 killer suddenly switches to his rank 20 killer?

    Well if he never played that killer he will perform badly too, isnt that the point of the rank system?

    I dont get why this would be abuse. Sure a lot of general knowledge will carry over to another killer, but I dont see a real problem with this. SWF are allowed to queue with low ranks too, soo whats exactly the point? :lol:

    You are making some massive assumptions here. This would result in new players quitting very soon since they would constantly be crushed by smurf killers. There are a lot of killers in the game now, how long do you think it would take to get them all to level 1? That is a lot of time that I would be paired up with inappropriate matches.

  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Member Posts: 13,671

    I would like this, shows off more skill with certain killers.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Dreamnomad said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

    Are you kidding me?
    What could go wrong if a rank 1 killer suddenly switches to his rank 20 killer?

    Well if he never played that killer he will perform badly too, isnt that the point of the rank system?

    I dont get why this would be abuse. Sure a lot of general knowledge will carry over to another killer, but I dont see a real problem with this. SWF are allowed to queue with low ranks too, soo whats exactly the point? :lol:

    You are making some massive assumptions here. This would result in new players quitting very soon since they would constantly be crushed by smurf killers. There are a lot of killers in the game now, how long do you think it would take to get them all to level 1? That is a lot of time that I would be paired up with inappropriate matches.

    I derank regularly. The devs support the idea of deranking so I see no reason why I shouldnt. This is what I do to avoid these genrush SWF now.

    And you know sth? The "beginner players" (usually they arent) enjoy these kinds of games, even if I 4k them. The best conversations I had were with beginner players that asked me for advice or sth. I guess this is also due to the fact that there are a lot of campers at the medium ranks that just make the game unfun for survivors. The only time I will use my full potential and make survivors suffer is when red ranks play SWF with low ranks and play like scum.

    Sure, the community has some special individuals that will use this new rank system to bully beginner players, but they already can do now, so I dont see a reason why we shouldnt consider this. Also you can only do that a few times, your rank will rise eventually :wink:

    And btw, we need to get rid of this monthyl rank reset, but thats obvious anyway

  • Madjura
    Madjura Member Posts: 2,477

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

    Are you kidding me?
    What could go wrong if a rank 1 killer suddenly switches to his rank 20 killer?

    Well if he never played that killer he will perform badly too, isnt that the point of the rank system?

    That player will also most likely not have proper perks or addons which is another reason why the idea is good

  • Mesme
    Mesme Member Posts: 177

    What could be done is after a certain point all killers share a rank like your main killer can be rank 1 but all your other killers will be at rank 8 or something you know? I play a few fighting games and they do this to where a certain point all other characters will rank a few ranks behind you. Now maybe in practice it could work here?

  • Strider
    Strider Member Posts: 94

    Actually I was thinking of something along the same lines too. I've made my way to rank 2 killer because of a few good games with killers I'm good at. But if I switch out to something I play less often (I like to level/play everyone), I end up getting thrashed. For example, I'm a rank 2 player with Hag but I am by no means a good Clown. With him I struggle to get even 2 kills most games.

    The solution for people saying "but what if they bulldoze rank 20 players?", is simple - there's a generic killer rank which is your average and there is your individual killer rank. Your individual killer rank never goes below your average unless that too drops (e.g I'm a rank 2 Hag but my generic killer rank is let's say 10 because I suck at the other killers, so my Clown wouldn't ever have to go against players lower than that). Although how this would be calculated would be entirely up to how the devs deem fair.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?
    Just because I'm good with Pig doesn't mean I'm good with Nurse. Yes, some basic stuff about killer will carry over but overall, I wanna start over on a new killer that I'm bad at. Additionally, rank 20-15 queues are bad so wouldn't this fix that issue?
  • Visionmaker
    Visionmaker Member Posts: 2,051
    edited November 2018

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:

    @Master said:

    @Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Maybe you dont wanna reach high ranks?
    Imagine this for example, you reach rank 1 with your tryhard nurse, but then you want to learn a new killer.....

    Also, how could this be abused?

    Are you kidding me?
    What could go wrong if a rank 1 killer suddenly switches to his rank 20 killer?

    Well if he never played that killer he will perform badly too, isnt that the point of the rank system?

    No, he won't. There are not enough differences between each killer to believe that skill won't transfer. Half of the killers are 115% ms M1 simulators to begin with.

    @Nickenzie said:
    Tsulan said:

    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it.

    Do I need more reasons?

    Just because I'm good with Pig doesn't mean I'm good with Nurse. Yes, some basic stuff about killer will carry over but overall, I wanna start over on a new killer that I'm bad at. Additionally, rank 20-15 queues are bad so wouldn't this fix that issue?

    Bullying new players will not fix this issue. It will exacerbate it.

    Waiting till rank reset is good enough as it is.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    Nickenzie said:
    Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?
    Just because I'm good with Pig doesn't mean I'm good with Nurse. Yes, some basic stuff about killer will carry over but overall, I wanna start over on a new killer that I'm bad at. Additionally, rank 20-15 queues are bad so wouldn't this fix that issue?
    No, that would be terrible. Killers are to much alike. It would turn into a massacre.
  • Visionmaker
    Visionmaker Member Posts: 2,051

    @Tsulan said:
    Nickenzie said:


    Tsulan said:

    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Just because I'm good with Pig doesn't mean I'm good with Nurse. Yes, some basic stuff about killer will carry over but overall, I wanna start over on a new killer that I'm bad at. Additionally, rank 20-15 queues are bad so wouldn't this fix that issue?

    No, that would be terrible. Killers are to much alike. It would turn into a massacre.

    It's as dumb as suggesting that using only No Mither should bring a Rank1 survivor to Rank20 queues.

    It's telling that some people are quick to judge others for intentionally deranking, and then somehow support virtually the same thing.

  • CallMeBacon
    CallMeBacon Member Posts: 54
    This idea of mine doesn't have to be exact. I do like the idea of having killers rank up at a slower pase then your main. I simply want something because getting high rank a few days after each reset curb stomps my ability to have any fun as Killer. I'd try survivor if it wasn't the most boring side of the game. Lately I've been maining spirit with mixed results. I'd appreciate being able to practice her at lower ranks. Getting rekt and then insulted after every game just sorta sucks. More so now that I've been prestiging Killers for achievements and cosmetics. 
  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    I'm nervous about taking lvl 1 killers into high rank games just to do rituals. I feel like it would be nice. 

    But there's down sides, too, obviously, most of which have been brought up already. 
  • ermsy
    ermsy Member Posts: 580
    The generic killer rank as mentioned above is a very good idea. Most killers are generally played the same but there are exceptions where this generic rank rule will come into play. If you've ranked up to rank 1 with Myers but want to try out nurse, your gonna get rekt, same goes for the spirit.
  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    Tsulan said:
    Nickenzie said:
    Tsulan said:
    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?
    Just because I'm good with Pig doesn't mean I'm good with Nurse. Yes, some basic stuff about killer will carry over but overall, I wanna start over on a new killer that I'm bad at. Additionally, rank 20-15 queues are bad so wouldn't this fix that issue?
    No, that would be terrible. Killers are to much alike. It would turn into a massacre.
    Then how does sound as a solution? All killers will have the rank reset starting rank of your highest ranked killer. So, if I'm a rank 1 Pig (My highest ranked killer), then my other killers will be at rank 10.

    If you guys are gonna disagree with something, at least say a alternative or suggest a solution instead of completely shutting down a idea.
  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Nickenzie said:
    Tsulan said:


    Nickenzie said:


    Tsulan said:

    No, no, no, no, no!
    Problem number one: if you play with many different killers, then you'll never reach high ranks.
    Problem number two: people would heavily abuse it. 

    Do I need more reasons?

    Just because I'm good with Pig doesn't mean I'm good with Nurse. Yes, some basic stuff about killer will carry over but overall, I wanna start over on a new killer that I'm bad at. Additionally, rank 20-15 queues are bad so wouldn't this fix that issue?

    No, that would be terrible. Killers are to much alike. It would turn into a massacre.

    Then how does sound as a solution? All killers will have the rank reset starting rank of your highest ranked killer. So, if I'm a rank 1 Pig (My highest ranked killer), then my other killers will be at rank 10.

    If you guys are gonna disagree with something, at least say a alternative or suggest a solution instead of completely shutting down a idea.

    i think its a good idea i love playing every killer but i cant ever have fun playing nurse or huntress unless im at a lower rank this would be quite good actually

  • OGlilSPOOK20
    OGlilSPOOK20 Member Posts: 716
    That's like saying Survivor rank should be per survivor instead of all 😂
  • No_Cluie_Louis
    No_Cluie_Louis Member Posts: 1,093

    nah, what they need instead is it to be way harder to rank up with killer. Right now it's far too easy and you're essentially guaranteed a pip. If it was harder then less killers would be a rank one that don't need to be. No offence but if you're struggling that much with hag, you probably belong more in the purple ranks. It would also solve the ridiculous que times

  • Incarnate
    Incarnate Member Posts: 677

    I fully support this idea, especially because I've always considered the global killer rank to be a quite big design flaw, specifically because killer levels, perk amount slots, actual available perks and addons and experience don't all follow uniformly when you improve in rank.

    Either they should do whats suggested or they should rework the rank and reward system greatly, so for instance rank and rewards follows all killer and survivor characters.

  • CallMeBacon
    CallMeBacon Member Posts: 54
    No_Cluie_Louis said:

    nah, what they need instead is it to be way harder to rank up with killer. Right now it's far too easy and you're essentially guaranteed a pip. If it was harder then less killers would be a rank one that don't need to be. No offence but if you're struggling that much with hag, you probably belong more in the purple ranks. It would also solve the ridiculous que times

    I'm having difficult with Hag because I don't play her often enough to be a good player at Rank 1 play. While I can play a mean Myers or an actually good Wraith, I can't take that skill and put it on a character who's completely different. I would prefer to be in Low rank play for her but because of my Wraith play during the Halloween event, I'm rank 1 and stuck with only being able to play a few characters.
  • Cardgrey
    Cardgrey Member Posts: 1,454
    Same with me and Mr wraith\myers. I went from 20 to 5 in a day cause of lucky games. but, I honestly lacked the skill of a 5... Hell a 10 even. and all it did at that point was flustrate me. and it was not the survivers fault I was vs people with years of exp and me only have weeks ( mostly survivor xp at that point)