Can we all admit the Emblem System is a failure?

@Zanfer said:
Well if the killer couldn't catch even one survivor against all 4 than why should you be rewarded for having an easy game. Getting rewarded for having a more intense close game where all survivors are struggling to even make it to the gate is better than never seeing the killer once and leaving out the exit gate. It means the killer was playing really well against the 4 others and the 4 others should be rewarded for great team play under an intense situation.

I think you're missing my point, in a situation where the 4 survivors are the best 4 players on the game or they play the best game of their life- the killer may be very good but if no one is downed there's no chance at a pip. The point isn't what would make a better game and to reward 'better' games, if that was the point why not just return to the old system? Really a much better representation of that mentality. The point is rewarding the aim of the game, which for the killer is killing and for the survivor is surviving.

The reworked emblem system is actually very easy atm.
Not sure how you can even not safety now, except if you're like that guy from the other thread that RQ'ed after running in straight line.
It may happen if you're quickly caught first and camped, but otherwise... I don't see how it is now possible.

@Master said:

@Runiver said:
The reworked emblem system is actually very easy atm.
Not sure how you can even not safety now, except if you're like that guy from the other thread that RQ'ed after running in straight line.
It may happen if you're quickly caught first and camped, but otherwise... I don't see how it is now possible.

The only way to depip is to be caught fast by the killer and then camped to death because your mates didnt bring BT. Either that or by DCing

It's probably still a matter of time before they ask for even more tho.
Let's just wait and see how easy it needs to get before the changes stop.

@Zanfer said:
Well if the killer couldn't catch even one survivor against all 4 than why should you be rewarded for having an easy game. Getting rewarded for having a more intense close game where all survivors are struggling to even make it to the gate is better than never seeing the killer once and leaving out the exit gate. It means the killer was playing really well against the 4 others and the 4 others should be rewarded for great team play under an intense situation.

That's the wrong way of thinking, because the rank systems purpose is to categorize players by similar skill and match them. So if one killer get's completely destroyed by his lack of skill, than they should downpip and the survivors pip. Otherwise good surivors could stay rank 20 all the time and crush noobkillers.
And the problem is that, if survivors want to pip against a bad killer, the emblem system encourages them to feed the killer, which is risky and also might lead the killer towards a safety or pip as well. Which means they stay the same rank.

@Freudentrauma said:

@Zanfer said:
Well if the killer couldn't catch even one survivor against all 4 than why should you be rewarded for having an easy game. Getting rewarded for having a more intense close game where all survivors are struggling to even make it to the gate is better than never seeing the killer once and leaving out the exit gate. It means the killer was playing really well against the 4 others and the 4 others should be rewarded for great team play under an intense situation.

That's the wrong way of thinking, because the rank systems purpose is to categorize players by similar skill and match them. So if one killer get's completely destroyed by his lack of skill, than they should downpip and the survivors pip. Otherwise good surivors could stay rank 20 all the time and crush noobkillers.
And the problem is that, if survivors want to pip against a bad killer, the emblem system encourages them to feed the killer, which is risky and also might lead the killer towards a safety or pip as well. Which means they stay the same rank.

I have not seen evidence of the person who started this thread of what rank killer they were going against or how much skill they have against the killer. In fact how much skill the killer had against them.

Survivors can just dc to go back to rank 20 and they complain why they don't pip...

The system is fine. Quit whining and learn to adapt.

I actually like the emblem system from what I've experienced so far. I still need to run a few rounds as killer in order to properly judge though.

@BlondeMegPls said:

@Zanfer said:
You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

What's the aim of the game? If a survivor plays perfectly, what happens? They remain undetected by the killer, are never hit and they do gens and escape. Let's imagine all 4 survivors play perfectly, no one hurt, no one to heal. No one pips under this system. Despite playing perfectly and following the aim of the game exactly...

except that if this happens you obviously was playing against a killer who was far below you in skill level. and no you should not be givin a pip for walking all over a killer who stood no chance to begin with, play a better killer more in line with your skill level.

thesuicidefox said:

In my opinion, the emblem system is a failure. As survivor it completely contradicts what you should be doing to actually win. It forces you to purposely get chased by the killer and punishes you for making non-altruistic decisions. It feels near impossible to get out of low ranks only because killers are so bad you can't get Benevolence or Evader, forcing you to race other survivors to do gens (and if you don't do at least 2 against a bad killer there is 0 chance you can pip). You are also forced to race other survivors for unhooks, leading to people that exclusively run We'll Make It and bum rushing every hook.

I am constantly getting safety pips in games where I do all the gens and escape untouched only to not get any points in Evader (which is a highly inconsistent emblem BTW) and none for Benevolence despite the fact that the killer camp the guy and I literally have no option but to let him die because any attempt to save him would result in his death and likely also mine (oh and people that kill themselves on the hook are basically say "If I don't rank up neither do you"). There is also the fact it's impossible to get benevolence due to everyone having Self Care and for some reason refusing to let you heal them so they can get the measly 100 BP or whatever you get. It's just insane how you can outplay a killer and escape a game with +12k BP only to not pip by 1 single point since you choose to let the guy die in the basement with Insidious LF standing there waiting for you. NOTE: These are just some examples of how you can be screwed out of pips as survivor. And while you can play in a way that you pip, my point is that it's not at ALL consistent, rewarding, or enjoyable to play this way.

And it's not to say the game is any better as killer. The emblem system has merely been a mild dab of antiseptic on the festering open wound that is this game's core dynamics. Sure it's easier to pip, but the game is no more enjoyable than it was before. You still have to deal with the same BS game after game. And the inability to pip as survivor has had some serious impacts on killers as well. It takes longer to fill lobbies at higher ranks. And with it being more difficult to rank up as survivor, it makes survivors even saltier than before.

In short the game isn't actually better after the emblem update. It just more convoluted and frustrating, but everyone seems to just grit their teeth and say to themselves "This is working" because they desperately want that to be the case. No, emblems failed. What this game NEEDED was an overhaul of the core mechanics. Pallets, maps, killers, perks, add-ons. EVERYTHING needed to go into overhaul mode. The results of this would have been 1000 times more effective than the emblem system.

With the benefit of hindsight, I honestly feel like the old rank system was just fine, it was THE GAME ITSELF that needed to change. Also that's not to say that the old rank system was perfect either, it had flaws. But the issues in the game ultimately come down to what happens during the game. Not what comes before or after.

Maybe the devs will come around and see how bogus the emblems really are. FIX GAMEPLAY FIRST. Everything else is an afterthought.

@EqMonkVeeshan said:

@BlondeMegPls said:

@Zanfer said:
You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

What's the aim of the game? If a survivor plays perfectly, what happens? They remain undetected by the killer, are never hit and they do gens and escape. Let's imagine all 4 survivors play perfectly, no one hurt, no one to heal. No one pips under this system. Despite playing perfectly and following the aim of the game exactly...

except that if this happens you obviously was playing against a killer who was far below you in skill level. and no you should not be givin a pip for walking all over a killer who stood no chance to begin with, play a better killer more in line with your skill level.

what I said, but he said I was wrong..

Well, on the killer's side of the Emblem system, it is super easy to rank up, all you need to do is get at least one kill and hit the survivors like 4 times, it's that simple. But survivor on the other hand, it's insanely difficult for me to rank up. One round I could be chased the entire game, and then camped, and, I'll still get absolutely no points whatsoever, not even one pip. The only time to me it seems that I rank up is when the killer is nice and lets the group of survivors I'm playing with, farm with them. And usually that results in only one pip!

I feel that the old system was much more effective, and I'm not saying that it was absolutely perfect, it most certainly wasn't, but it could have been better if the devs reworked the system a bit. I know that they're obviously never going to bring the old system back, but it's just a thought.

Until then, I'll just suffer trying to get more than a safety pip.

@EqMonkVeeshan said:

@BlondeMegPls said:

@Zanfer said:
You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

What's the aim of the game? If a survivor plays perfectly, what happens? They remain undetected by the killer, are never hit and they do gens and escape. Let's imagine all 4 survivors play perfectly, no one hurt, no one to heal. No one pips under this system. Despite playing perfectly and following the aim of the game exactly...

except that if this happens you obviously was playing against a killer who was far below you in skill level. and no you should not be givin a pip for walking all over a killer who stood no chance to begin with, play a better killer more in line with your skill level.

Did you just say I shouldn't rank up for playing against a killer of lower skill level of me?

How am I supposed to play a better killer more in line with my skill level if I don't rank up to match with them?

@BlondeMegPls said:

@EqMonkVeeshan said:

@BlondeMegPls said:

@Zanfer said:
You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

What's the aim of the game? If a survivor plays perfectly, what happens? They remain undetected by the killer, are never hit and they do gens and escape. Let's imagine all 4 survivors play perfectly, no one hurt, no one to heal. No one pips under this system. Despite playing perfectly and following the aim of the game exactly...

except that if this happens you obviously was playing against a killer who was far below you in skill level. and no you should not be givin a pip for walking all over a killer who stood no chance to begin with, play a better killer more in line with your skill level.

Did you just say I shouldn't rank up for playing against a killer of lower skill level of me?

How am I supposed to play a better killer more in line with my skill level if I don't rank up to match with them?

@BlondeMegPls said:

@EqMonkVeeshan said:

@BlondeMegPls said:

@Zanfer said:
You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

What's the aim of the game? If a survivor plays perfectly, what happens? They remain undetected by the killer, are never hit and they do gens and escape. Let's imagine all 4 survivors play perfectly, no one hurt, no one to heal. No one pips under this system. Despite playing perfectly and following the aim of the game exactly...

except that if this happens you obviously was playing against a killer who was far below you in skill level. and no you should not be givin a pip for walking all over a killer who stood no chance to begin with, play a better killer more in line with your skill level.

Did you just say I shouldn't rank up for playing against a killer of lower skill level of me?

How am I supposed to play a better killer more in line with my skill level if I don't rank up to match with them?

it should be this way to prevent people from purposely deranking to have easier killers to just farm blood points. play your next match and hope the killer is better.

@EqMonkVeeshan said:

@Zavri said:
Emblems are fine atm, they tweaked it so it isn't super hard for a solo survivor to pip anymore.

it was not hard before. the way they changed it in the 2.0 release made it more or less like a participation trophy, every one gets one now.

eh, you still have to repair 3+ gens and never get downed to pip solo if you don't want to do altruism stuff.

I wouldn't say it's a participation trophy when before you could simply just repair 2 gens, crack a totem or two and open a gate and pip on the old system.

Please fix this. The emblem system needs a complete rework right now.

The devs maked very good changes to emblems in the 2.0, it's far from a failure. I got no problems at ranking when playing survivor or killer (and i didn't got any problem before). I feel that the emblems reward me in a very accurate way now. Maybe you need to change your playstyle or get better at the roles you have problems.