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Why will i receive a ban for deranking as killer?

Zarathos
Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
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So i wanted to put the question forward why is it that i have to endure 15 minute queue times just to play killer. It's ridiculous at the point of 5 minutes i should be getting players regardless of rank. Everywhere i have look for solutions i get the same answer depip or derank. Do you realize how messed up that in order to play the game i have to waste survivor offerings and time. Just so i can get a game without waiting 15 minutes. Some solutions I have are as follows

  1. After 8 mins or 10 mins killer is given priority over others and can get players from 10 ranks back from your current rank.
  2. Give a bp bonus to a side that is lacking. The bonus increases dependent on the scale of the queue times.
  3. Give us information on what queue are like for both roles.
  4. Reward players for achieving a high rank. This could be iridescent shards at the end of a season. The amount increases dependent on the rank you achieved.

I encourage Behavior to try these solutions out as even streamers are brazenly admitting to deranking just to get games and for the inevitable survivors are to weak let me state that as survivor my escape count is very high with many games making it to exit gates minus nurse games which are sometimes winnable (all dependent on nurses skill.)

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  • George_Soros
    George_Soros Member Posts: 2,270
    @Zarathos out of curiosity, what region/country are you from? Now that the event is over, I have to wait about five minutes as killer (Eastern Europe, rank 1-2), yet I keep seeing these posts about how some people have to wait for ages. 
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200
    edited November 2018

    You wont get banned for deranking, I dont know where you pulled this from.
    Deranking by afking isnt bannable at all and you can even DC to derank within a certain degree because their punishment system only triggers if you exceed a certain rate.

    Yes its kidna ######### up that this is the solution, but DBD is kinda ######### up in general if we are honest.
    Imaging deranking in any other game, players would literally laugh at you and shake their head

    Personally I kinda gave up on DBD, the rank system will probably never change and I derank too now. Whats the point of trying to play competitively as long as they dont fix their insane balance gap between solo and SWF and adress genrushing? Exactly, none :lol:

    Now ofc deranking takes quite some time, so I suggest doing it in the background. Watching a movie? Run a few games of DBD. Every 30 min pause, stretch and start a new game (thats healthy anyway :lol: )
    Playing another game (non-performance hungry), start a few games of dbd etc

    And a last thing, freddy might be terrible when you try to play normally, but he actually is a beast when it comes to deranking. Survivors cant bully you in the dreamworld, so they will get bored and leave instead of flashing you for hours and tbagging in front of your face to farm points.

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    George_Soros said:
    @Zarathos out of curiosity, what region/country are you from? Now that the event is over, I have to wait about five minutes as killer (Eastern Europe, rank 1-2), yet I keep seeing these posts about how some people have to wait for ages. 
    Western Europe i wonder if a region swap would be possible. XD i just wanted to put forward a few ideas that could limit the problem asymetric games always have this problen and i wish the devs would at least consider improving the queue times. 
  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    Master said:

    You wont get banned for deranking, I dont know where you pulled this from.
    Deranking by afking isnt bannable at all and you can even DC to derank within a certain degree because their punishment system only triggers if you exceed a certain rate.

    Yes its kidna [BAD WORD] up that this is the solution, but DBD is kinda [BAD WORD] up in general if we are honest.
    Imaging deranking in any other game, players would literally laugh at you and shake their head

    Personally I kinda gave up on DBD, the rank system will probably never change and I derank too now. Whats the point of trying to play competitively as long as they dont fix their insane balance gap between solo and SWF and adress genrushing? Exactly, none :lol:

    Now ofc deranking takes quite some time, so I suggest doing it in the background. Watching a movie? Run a few games of DBD. Every 30 min pause, stretch and start a new game (thats healthy anyway :lol: )
    Playing another game (non-performance hungry), start a few games of dbd etc

    And a last thing, freddy might be terrible when you try to play normally, but he actually is a beast when it comes to deranking. Survivors cant bully you in the dreamworld, so they will get bored and leave instead of flashing you for hours and tbagging in front of your face to farm points.

    Thanks for letting me know the freddy tip is helpful. What ranks are good for matchmaking i dont want to go too low as i like the competition of experianced players. Even if it means getting gen rushed or hit by super optimised swfs.

    Aside from that i was hoping to draw attention to this problem and put forward some solutions who knows maybe one or two of our ideas might get implemented. Balance might be a problem but i just want to play the game without waiting 15 mins for a lobby. 
  • George_Soros
    George_Soros Member Posts: 2,270
    I think you can change your location in Steam settings, not sure how but it shouldn't be too complicated. I actually wanted to change to Western Europe because I hate Russians, and I should still have a decent ping with UK or Spanish players.

    As for matching you up with lower ranks, lacking high rank survivors: I think the matchmaking algorithm already does that, at least I have been pitted against survivors the highest rank of whom was 5-6 below mine.
  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    George_Soros said:
    I think you can change your location in Steam settings, not sure how but it shouldn't be too complicated. I actually wanted to change to Western Europe because I hate Russians, and I should still have a decent ping with UK or Spanish players.

    As for matching you up with lower ranks, lacking high rank survivors: I think the matchmaking algorithm already does that, at least I have been pitted against survivors the highest rank of whom was 5-6 below mine.
    Thats likely swf with a low ranked player/s this happens to me usually when multiple people spawn into my lobby at the same time. I play swf with othe friends who are low ranked but are friends i know personally and have had killers from rank 1 go against us. Likely because two of us were rank 1s and one was a low ranked player. 
  • BigBadPiggy
    BigBadPiggy Member Posts: 678

    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    BigBadPiggy said:

    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

    Ah i said i dont mind optimised teams. My goal isnt to bully newer players its to get games. I even asked what ranks has good players and a decent queue time. I pose this question out of frustration for 15 min queue times for a 5 to 10 minute game.

    People have egos in dbd I have come to expect that. Too many nasty personalities have created this enviroment. I have put off deranking out of common courtesy but with all of the survivour and killer personalities dodging high rank play simply so they can play the game and not face stupid queue times or in survivours case play against weaker killers as there queue times are fine at high ranks for survivour. 
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @BigBadPiggy said:
    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

    Deranking is not bannable, dont spread false information.
    Only DCing is bannable

  • PigMainBigBrain
    PigMainBigBrain Member Posts: 1,893

    @Zarathos said:
    So i wanted to put the question forward why is it that i have to endure 15 minute queue times just to play killer. It's ridiculous at the point of 5 minutes i should be getting players regardless of rank. Everywhere i have look for solutions i get the same answer depip or derank. Do you realize how messed up that in order to play the game i have to waste survivor offerings and time. Just so i can get a game without waiting 15 minutes. Some solutions I have are as follows

    1. After 8 mins or 10 mins killer is given priority over others and can get players from 10 ranks back from your current rank.
    2. Give a bp bonus to a side that is lacking. The bonus increases dependent on the scale of the queue times.
    3. Give us information on what queue are like for both roles.
    4. Reward players for achieving a high rank. This could be iridescent shards at the end of a season. The amount increases dependent on the rank you achieved.

    I encourage Behavior to try these solutions out as even streamers are brazenly admitting to deranking just to get games and for the inevitable survivors are to weak let me state that as survivor my escape count is very high with many games making it to exit gates minus nurse games which are sometimes winnable (all dependent on nurses skill.)

    Honestly, as a person in America, I don't usually have to deal with outrageously long queue times unless its an event. But depending on where you're from I can totally sympathize. I mean on top of having to wait for people to join, and hope nobody is at 300 ping (I just back out of lobby as killer at this point cause I can't kick people out for having garbage internet) I could see why. Maybe having a wider pool of ranks to pull from if you've been sitting with an open lobby for ages is a good idea. And obviously have a way to grant bonus BP or something to the lower ranked survivors as a sort of compensation, wouldn't be a terrible idea or some form of compensation. I will say though, before they address killer queue times and try to put something like this in, they should balance queues where survivors are trying to boost their friends. Where you end up with a rank 1 survivor and 3 rank 20s vs a rank 20 hag with 2 perks at level 1..... That kind of game I've seen too much of, and its not fair for the survivors because they aren't getting the experience they need to improve themselves, and its not fair for the killer because they aren't progressively learning by going against someone who's just outrageous flashlighting and power looping new killers.

    I think if you're a survivor at rank 1 trying to boost your friends, you need to get slapped into a game with a rank 1 killer.

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910

    @PigMainBigBrain said:

    @Zarathos said:
    So i wanted to put the question forward why is it that i have to endure 15 minute queue times just to play killer. It's ridiculous at the point of 5 minutes i should be getting players regardless of rank. Everywhere i have look for solutions i get the same answer depip or derank. Do you realize how messed up that in order to play the game i have to waste survivor offerings and time. Just so i can get a game without waiting 15 minutes. Some solutions I have are as follows

    1. After 8 mins or 10 mins killer is given priority over others and can get players from 10 ranks back from your current rank.
    2. Give a bp bonus to a side that is lacking. The bonus increases dependent on the scale of the queue times.
    3. Give us information on what queue are like for both roles.
    4. Reward players for achieving a high rank. This could be iridescent shards at the end of a season. The amount increases dependent on the rank you achieved.

    I encourage Behavior to try these solutions out as even streamers are brazenly admitting to deranking just to get games and for the inevitable survivors are to weak let me state that as survivor my escape count is very high with many games making it to exit gates minus nurse games which are sometimes winnable (all dependent on nurses skill.)

    Honestly, as a person in America, I don't usually have to deal with outrageously long queue times unless its an event. But depending on where you're from I can totally sympathize. I mean on top of having to wait for people to join, and hope nobody is at 300 ping (I just back out of lobby as killer at this point cause I can't kick people out for having garbage internet) I could see why. Maybe having a wider pool of ranks to pull from if you've been sitting with an open lobby for ages is a good idea. And obviously have a way to grant bonus BP or something to the lower ranked survivors as a sort of compensation, wouldn't be a terrible idea or some form of compensation. I will say though, before they address killer queue times and try to put something like this in, they should balance queues where survivors are trying to boost their friends. Where you end up with a rank 1 survivor and 3 rank 20s vs a rank 20 hag with 2 perks at level 1..... That kind of game I've seen too much of, and its not fair for the survivors because they aren't getting the experience they need to improve themselves, and its not fair for the killer because they aren't progressively learning by going against someone who's just outrageous flashlighting and power looping new killers.

    I think if you're a survivor at rank 1 trying to boost your friends, you need to get slapped into a game with a rank 1 killer.

    If you want to deal with that problem I have a great idea for that. Make two queues ranked and casual. SWF is unplayable in ranked and is only available in casual.
    How do you make ranked enticing? Add end of season rewards a small sum of iridescent shards ought to do that.

    How do you make casual appealing to killers? Its in the name its a casual game where players can do meme builds or experiment, ya their will be people running super powerful builds but its likely they will be the minority as many killers like myself want to try weird fun builds like class photo Freddy or silent Billy. It will also be rankles meaning killers and survivors can play without absurd queue times. Also add a queue indicator to let us know what role need to be filled survivor or killer. Most of these need to be tested in the ptb of course but this will give a lot of players who want to meme around some room to experiment without facing optimized survivors or killers.

  • BigBadPiggy
    BigBadPiggy Member Posts: 678

    @Master said:

    @BigBadPiggy said:
    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

    Deranking is not bannable, dont spread false information.
    Only DCing is bannable

    The main way people derank is by DCing. You lose two pips for DCing as apposed to losing only one for not doing anything the whole match. It makes sense for people to DC in order to derank because it's faster. Deranking may not be bannable. I see it as "forced deranking". That can be bannable.

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    BigBadPiggy said:

    @Master said:

    @BigBadPiggy said:
    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

    Deranking is not bannable, dont spread false information.
    Only DCing is bannable

    The main way people derank is by DCing. You lose two pips for DCing as apposed to losing only one for not doing anything the whole match. It makes sense for people to DC in order to derank because it's faster. Deranking may not be bannable. I see it as "forced deranking". That can be bannable.

    I thought if you do nothing you get disgraceful defeat. Via stealth freddy or wraith. I got this before in the old hook system when i started the game.
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Zarathos said:
    BigBadPiggy said:

    @Master said:

     @BigBadPiggy said:

    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

    Deranking is not bannable, dont spread false information.

    Only DCing is bannable

    The main way people derank is by DCing. You lose two pips for DCing as apposed to losing only one for not doing anything the whole match. It makes sense for people to DC in order to derank because it's faster. Deranking may not be bannable. I see it as "forced deranking". That can be bannable.

    I thought if you do nothing you get disgraceful defeat. Via stealth freddy or wraith. I got this before in the old hook system when i started the game.

    No with the new emblem system you always lose 1 pip at most. The only way to lose 2 pips is by DCing which is quite ridiculous

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    Games are back to a semi reasonable queue time standard but thx for the info Master. I look forward to seeing you all in the fog.