Killers, do you believe dbd is survivor sided?

This seems to be the case. They did this so a survivor could escape a killer, but the fact that the killer is stressing about every other survivor not nearby is the real issue.

Yeah no kidding lol, I guess he didn't really interpret what the data means

It´s as survivor sided as it gets. I play solo and unless i get a team of afking or suiciding heroes, i usually get a similar amount of points as the killer. Hell, yesterday i even got a double pip without escaping.

Killers have tons of gen slowdown perk. Where one is worse than the other. There is not a single killer perk, that is a powerful as DS, BT or Unbreakable.

Totem spawns have been made more obvious, because apparently Undying Ruin was to unenjoyable for survivors. Now i see totems next to gens or in front of hills, when they used to be more hidden.

Or lets talk about the DS "nerf" history. It used to work on the first pick up animation. Killers adapted by dribbling survivors to the hook. Survivors complained, so the amount of times a killer could drop a survivor was reduced. Killers adapted by equiping Enduring. Survivors complained and it was nerfed, so it doesn´t reduce the DS stun. Because that also didn´t work as expected, they changed DS to be usable after a hook. The 2 killer nerfs that came before, were not reverted, because reasons.

Or BT. It used to protect both the unhooking + the unhooked survivor. But only once. Devs "nerfed" it by removing the protection for the unhooking survivor. To compensate, they also removed the one time use limit.

If the survivors use all the strongest tools they have, yes without a shadow of a doubt.

The scales tip back quickly when they don't go all out though

Yes and no. It really depends.

If the survivors all play decently, split up and pressure multiple gens and don’t greed pallets and don’t play recklessly, they’re pretty sure to win. The killer may get a kill or two if they play well but the gates will probably be powered.

But most games don’t go like this. If the survivors play like average survivors, it really depends on how the killer plays. If they play well they’ll probably win.

So I’m not sure I’d say it’s survivor sided necessarily, but I think it is more dependent on survivor skill level. Killer skill matters obviously but if the survivors have good teamwork, strong perks and favourable RNG it’s hard for them to lose.

Yes, and it's observable as to why. Put the top % killers and the top % survivors against each other and survivors will win at least 3/4 times. Here's a few reasons why:

-Nurse and Spirit are the only ones who do decently against any team. The rest are unviable at high level without meta perks.

-You can only deviate from the meta, and still win, against solos or weak SWFs.

-Tiles like killer shack and jungle gyms exist that waste guaranteed time, and can be used repeatedly if the survivor is greedy and doesn't drop the pallet.

-Gen regression is a must on pretty much every killer.

-Killer has a much higher learning curve and skill ceiling.

-The first person fov is SO BAD and limiting.

-Killer buffs are few and far between.

-Breakable walls were a Trojan Horse to reintroduce god loops.

-SWF.

-Survivor meta perks.

-Keys and hatch.

-Bad scratch marks and sounds.

-Free camouflage for Claudette and Adam, if they're wearing certain outfits.

-Grab takeaways.

These barely scratch the surface. I could go on.

This game is definitely survivor sided. You need to look at it from a business perspective tho.

Survivors outnumber the killer 4 to 1. Survivors buy more cosmetics. They can team up with friends which makes it more appealing to play survivor. They need to keep people playing survivor. If Survivors perceive the game as to hard they will lose players.

They want them to have an easier time so they will stay and bring in more players as well as buy cosmetics. Some will play killer and they do buy killer cosmetics.

Over all they do it for the money. You can't blame them. Financially it makes sense. Sucks for killers but it won't chnage as long as Survivors keep playing and buying things.

Oh yea it definitely is. You can tell by just playing. Playing survivor is less stressful and easier imo. Your mistakes can always be corrected by your team mates. The only thing that's stressful is survivors getting paired with boosted teammates or low ranks who get downed instantly. Killer is far more stressful and more punishing. 1 mistake and it could cost you the game. Potato survivors are no problem with any killer or rank. But as soon as you get semi decent solos or a swf then you're in trouble.

I don't think so. The is not survivor sided or killer sided, nor is it balanced, it just has some bs for either side, and I think the devs are slowly trying to make it better for both.

I do think there are some seriously problematic stuff on the survivor side:

-Perks that are very very strong and whose description could basically be summarized as "delete mistake or dele outplay from killer by pressing/holding a button". There are very few killer perks that work like this and the only one that's as powerful is probably NOED. I think perks that give you extra benefits during the match instead of outright deleting your mistakes are healthier.

-Their main objective is uninteractive, too safe and too simplistic, it makes it feel like when a killer is sweating their balls off trying to outplay a survivor consistently and fast, all the other survivors are doing is holding M1 and somehow getting close to winning, which is ridiculous.

-Their main form of defense against killers consist of getting gifted set ups by RNG. At the very least there's some skill in being able to use their set ups, but because of how gens work, sometimes that skill isn't even necessary. It's a very binary defense. You either make it to a pallet thanks to map layout or you don't. I think there should be more stuff survivors can do to that depend more on their skill than just map RNG.

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At the same time, killers are able to tunnel survivors out of a match, regardless of DS, and have the tools to camp survivors to death, or slug them to oblivion (now reinforced by the existence of the Twins), all these practices, despite being tactics, deprive survivors of meaningful gameplay, in fact they focus on depriving survivors of gameplay in order to give the killer more time to deal with the game. I don't think this is healthy.

Lets also remember that because of very bad matchmaking and ineffective tutorials, it is very common to be the only survivor in a team that has the slightest idea what their doing. This makes solo survivor experience very frustrating for survivor players, however it's a catch 22, because the only thing that makes killer playable is there being some weak links in survivor teams, otherwise killer would be unbearable to play.

But yeah...there's massively impactful issues that make the experience of both sides quite bad, but it is getting a little better...slowly... Problem is, people are very bad at talking about them.

Killers if anything need to be nerfed 🤣 theyre actually quite overpowered from a 1v4 perspective in regards to how fast they are in relation to the map size and the rate at which they can consistently find targets and knock them down . It’s not hard to find survivors and it’s certainly not hard to down them. The devs have made it quite easy on the killers as it is they don’t need anything else. If anything they need stuff taken away. 4 v 1 and the team of 4 does not individually equal 25% of the killer. Doing 5 gens on a tiny little map is harder than killing 4 survivors. And if you don’t see that I don’t know what to tell you. This isn’t your game if you can’t even kill 4 survivors that make a ton of noise, leave scratch marks, are slower than you, it’s quite sad actually

Hawkins, lerys and temple are survivor sided......

Every other survivor sided map you listed is gonna be reworked soon anyways.

@ineedsleep It has been really disappointing that within a year in a half for perks, we only got one meta perk in Hex:Undying since ghostface's release. My new year resolution is that I hope dbd 2021 new killer perks are better than what we are currently getting.

The game is definitely survivor sided but to what extent? We will not know until the developers make a skill based ranking system that is then used to calculate MMR for Matchmaking purposes. I imagine it would be really easy to create a skill based ranking system for survivor because it is easy to figure out what defines a good survivor player/team from a bad one. All you need to calculate is how fast/how many generators get done, how few hits/hook states a survivor gets and how effective they are at wasting the killer's time in a chase and all of these factors contribute to a high escape rate. if you do a lot for team, but you don't escape, if 2 more of your teammate escape, you pip, otherwise you draw/lose(Drawing is equal to pipping in current system at red). escaping is unconditional pip. They do need to look into weakening keys such as that the hatch only spawns at 5 generator completed and some time to open the hatch similar to exit gates(probably faster).

Killer is way too complicated, I imagine what they will do to simplify killer is look at amount hooks a killer gets where 3 hooks counts as kill and If the killer gets 7 or less hooks, It counts as loss and if the killer gets 8 or more hooks than it counts as a win. Another feature they should add is something called killer mastery where you need to get a certain threshold in Killer Mastery(Based off your current global rank) for your games to count towards global ranking on that killer. If you can not achieve a high enough mastery, then your games will not count towards global ranking and ranking system should matchmaking should keep putting you 1 rank color below your actual rank until you are good enough to play that killer for learning purposes.

Currently, It is too difficult to understand how Survivor sided or Killer-sided the game is because there is no clear indication of what skill a player is in the game. Some red rank killer matches are easy as hell while others are really hard. Its also really random from day to day. An analogy of the problem is like putting average chess player against Magnus Carlson and then saying chess is rigged for one side. We will better be able to understand whether the player playing that killer is ineffective at playing that killer and therefore does not belong in that ranking skill bracket or whether that killer/general killers is ineffective against good players and probably needs improvements.

The game is survivor sided if the killer plays according to the survivor rule book and plays for points. Now if you're actually playing to 4k regardless of any means then the game can be killer sided and just a one sided massacre with Top tier killers. Be it slugging, camping, etc. There's a reason a Slugging God nurse is just insta DCs.

LOL if anything that shows it's killer sided. Cause BALANCE would mean 50% kill rate and 50% escape rate per match.

Yes but it has to be. There must be four times as many survivors in the game and if the game was not survivor sided it would die.

It isn't becoming survivor sided, it always has been. This is agreed upon by almost all the high rank/high hour community.

Is the game less survivor sided than it used to be? Of course

Does that mean it's balanced now? Definitely not.

Killers can look stronger because the average survivor is really bad. However if we had a match of equal skill really good survivors against a really good killer, the killer will lose almost every time bar some off scenarios such as playing Nurse etc.

The only instance when it's survivor sided is when a killer goes against SWF. When going against soloq players I would say it's even.

An easy fix which can negate some of these problems are:

1. Give the killers the option again to switch to another killer inside lobby. What is even the point on locking killers? Not affecting ranks, not affecting survivors since they can't see you switch anyways.
2. Please show which people are an SWF group. That way killers can prepare themselves with moris, certain perk combos, etc. And if they don't even like it they can dodge the lobby if they really feel like.

Done...

At it's core, yes.

Killers win because your average survivor (SWF or Solo) is trash. Against people who know how to play the game properly, utilizing pallets/loops and gen placement to their peak efficiency? The game is survivor sided. Plain and simple.

Which makes it easy to spot everyone in here who doesn't know what they are doing as survivor. Cause they all answered "no".

I wonder why.

Only at the highest level (which doesn't include public matches with crossplay on). Standard pubs probably favour killer on average in my experience, but crossplay off/tournament matches favour survivor heavily. But in red ranks I only get a proper good team once or twice every few weeks or so, so atleast 95+% of matches are easily winnable

It also doesn't help that the literal built in win condition in the game (pips, not that they matter, but still) can literally not be achieved with less than at least a 3k at red ranks. Hell you don't even get it by 4king sometimes.

I'm mainly not a killer (16 prestiges on survivor, 1 on killer), but I still heavily believe that this game is survivor sided. Survivors have many perks that waste the killer's time and there is almost no counter to them. I have also seen a very clear bias in how long it takes for the devs to nerf survivor loadouts versus killer loadouts. I believe that this mostly comes from the fact that survivors make up most of their playerbase. Survivors can also bring items which drastically change the outcome of a match (crazy gen speed toolboxes, super fast and still efficient med-kits, ultra rare add-ons). Ruin and undying is practically a necessity at this point. As a survivor, I like to run fun builds, not meta builds, but I still find myself feeling bad for the killer when I have things like decisive (which doesn't punish tunneling at all btw) and syringes, toolboxes, or styptics. I could go on and on about things like this but I think you guys get the point by now.