Feedback on the chaser camping penalty for killers

Camping sucks, but it's not against the rules...so....

SWF group should have been able to send 2 survivors in, one distraction, other to save.

2BadWaluigiTime said:

I camp anyone who pallet loops me

@Might_Oakk said:
Wait you were in a 4man swf and couldn't deal with a camper? Definitely not the killers fault. Say hes camping me just do gens...

4 man SWF should be able to rescue from a camper anyway. 2 might have an issue, but 4 definitely should not. Even vs LF you can bait out what you need and have 1-2 distract while the third rescues.

@TigerKirby215 said:
I always wonder what alternate universe the people who complain about camping live in. Every game I play I get normal killers who play the game normally. I've only see one face camper every 25 games or so, and over several hundred matches I've only gone up against one hard face camper who's won. And the only reason the guy won is because no one had Self Care and everyone kept slowly crouch walking towards the hook (on top of a hill) instead of hook rushing the killer so at least someone could escape.

I honestly think that implementing a rank penalty for camping was the wrong way to go, since Behavior has always toted camping as a "perfectly viable strategy." And I think that if Survivor try to be altruistic instead of doing gens when the killer camps the killer should be awarded with a pip, because either they did something right or the survivors seriously did something wrong.
I'd much rather that Behavior implement more perks that rely on you being far away from the hook. Perks like Devour Hope and Make Your Choice are a good place to start, but I hope they implement more perks with effects that rely on you being a certain distance away from an unhook.

It varies what rank you're at. It's huge from 20-13 then goes away for a while until about 6-4 there's a weird resurgence.

On topic, however, the penalty does absolutely nothing even in terms of a penalty. I had a few games running dying light recently where I ran into the obsession within 15 seconds of the game starting and downed them pretty quickly so facecamped. I literally lost the same percentage in doing that as I have as Hag dropping 1 trap nearby. I also still got iridescent on chaser while face camping.

The punishment needs to be both rank and blood points and actually flash on the screen to show the deduction in BP. Seeing even -5 BP every 3 seconds would deter a lot of the 20-13 players.

@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
I can save a friend from a chainsaw facecamping Leatherface without BT.

This is simply a "git gud" situation.

BT doesn't work on chainsaw anyway.

@Attackfrog said:
purebalance said:

@Attackfrog said:

I suck and I have seen lvl 20 solo survivors steamroll me when I camp if they get their crap together.

If you are dying to a facecamper, first blame yourself for getting caught. Then blame your teammates for letting you get facecamped.

Bullshit. The only time a facecamper is really punished is if you get extremely lucky with randoms or you're SWF. Or the killer is just plain bad which explains the facecamping typically. The whole "blame yourself for getting caught" ######### really needs to stop. There's a huge difference between unsafe unhooking, kiting the killer near a hook and having someone else stupidly unhook vs the killer not going out and actually hunting the other survivors like the game was meant to be played.

First: I just said how bad I am. And yet survivors seem to be able to overcome my camping. Pretty often actually! Kiting me, blinding me, blocking me...you name it.

Second: I am pretty sure killers hunting and hooking survivors is how the game is "meant to be played".

If getting camped is so troublesome for you, try playing killer. It's clearly way easier. And maybe you could be the shining example for us bad killers of a great, non-camping, nice killer.

You can't change how killers play. I can't change how you play....But you can. If you are struggling, maybe check out some vids on YouTube and change your play style so you don't get caught and camped as much.

I do play killer and my killer rank is better than my survivor. I'm rank 1 atm without using Billy or Nurse and I do not camp except in extremely rare or situational times. You can 100% change how killers play by implementing the change I suggested. -5 BP per 3 seconds of being near a hooked survivor flashed on the screen would easily deter people from camping and it really isn't much. For most baddies, just seeing that flash on the screen would be enough for them to stop considering they don't even think about how bad the BP for EVERYONE is when they camp.

@Attackfrog said:
purebalance said:

@Attackfrog said:

purebalance said:

@Attackfrog said:

I suck and I have seen lvl 20 solo survivors steamroll me when I camp if they get their crap together.

If you are dying to a facecamper, first blame yourself for getting caught. Then blame your teammates for letting you get facecamped.



Bullshit.  The only time a facecamper is really punished is if you get extremely lucky with randoms or you're SWF.  Or the killer is just plain bad which explains the facecamping typically.  The whole "blame yourself for getting caught" ######### really needs to stop.  There's a huge difference between unsafe unhooking, kiting the killer near a hook and having someone else stupidly unhook vs the killer not going out and actually hunting the other survivors like the game was meant to be played.



First: I just said how bad I am. And yet survivors seem to be able to overcome my camping. Pretty often actually! Kiting me, blinding me, blocking me...you name it.

Second: I am pretty sure killers hunting and hooking survivors is how the game is "meant to be played".

If getting camped is so troublesome for you, try playing killer. It's clearly way easier. And maybe you could be the shining example for us bad killers of a great, non-camping, nice killer.

You can't change how killers play. I can't change how you play....But you can. If you are struggling, maybe check out some vids on YouTube and change your play style so you don't get caught and camped as much.

I do play killer and my killer rank is better than my survivor. I'm rank 1 atm without using Billy or Nurse and I do not camp except in extremely rare or situational times. You can 100% change how killers play by implementing the change I suggested. -5 BP per 3 seconds of being near a hooked survivor flashed on the screen would easily deter people from camping and it really isn't much. For most baddies, just seeing that flash on the screen would be enough for them to stop considering they don't even think about how bad the BP for EVERYONE is when they camp.

When I camp, it's not for the bps. Why should I get punished when I see a second survivor trying to pull me off the hook so a 3rd could free you.

Your system would only work if it only activated if there wasn't a survivor within x meters of the hook. Othereise, you are just punishing me for playing the game as it was "meant to be played" when really it is your teammates who are killing you by rushing the hook when they should be opening chests, destroying totems and popping gens.

@Attackfrog said:
purebalance said:

@Attackfrog said:

purebalance said:

@Attackfrog said:

I suck and I have seen lvl 20 solo survivors steamroll me when I camp if they get their crap together.

If you are dying to a facecamper, first blame yourself for getting caught. Then blame your teammates for letting you get facecamped.



Bullshit.  The only time a facecamper is really punished is if you get extremely lucky with randoms or you're SWF.  Or the killer is just plain bad which explains the facecamping typically.  The whole "blame yourself for getting caught" ######### really needs to stop.  There's a huge difference between unsafe unhooking, kiting the killer near a hook and having someone else stupidly unhook vs the killer not going out and actually hunting the other survivors like the game was meant to be played.



First: I just said how bad I am. And yet survivors seem to be able to overcome my camping. Pretty often actually! Kiting me, blinding me, blocking me...you name it.

Second: I am pretty sure killers hunting and hooking survivors is how the game is "meant to be played".

If getting camped is so troublesome for you, try playing killer. It's clearly way easier. And maybe you could be the shining example for us bad killers of a great, non-camping, nice killer.

You can't change how killers play. I can't change how you play....But you can. If you are struggling, maybe check out some vids on YouTube and change your play style so you don't get caught and camped as much.

I do play killer and my killer rank is better than my survivor. I'm rank 1 atm without using Billy or Nurse and I do not camp except in extremely rare or situational times. You can 100% change how killers play by implementing the change I suggested. -5 BP per 3 seconds of being near a hooked survivor flashed on the screen would easily deter people from camping and it really isn't much. For most baddies, just seeing that flash on the screen would be enough for them to stop considering they don't even think about how bad the BP for EVERYONE is when they camp.

When I camp, it's not for the bps. Why should I get punished when I see a second survivor trying to pull me off the hook so a 3rd could free you.

Your system would only work if it only activated if there wasn't a survivor within x meters of the hook. Othereise, you are just punishing me for playing the game as it was "meant to be played" when really it is your teammates who are killing you by rushing the hook when they should be opening chests, destroying totems and popping gens.

That's not camping. You're also currently not penalized if they were there. However, more than likely if you have them "trying to pull you off the hook" they weren't there and you were camping like a bad player to begin with. You should get punished because you decided to stay there and ruin the game for both yourself and other players by not leaving initially. Nobody is saying that you should leave the hook when you literally see a survivor there.

@purebalance said:

@se05239 said:
So you're playing a four man SWF and you're unable to punish camping? The second you, or your friend, on the hook says that they're being camped.. you should all just have rushed those generators to punish the killer.
Its your own fault for being super altruistic.

Actually a 4 man SWF should be able to easily free the person and escape. More than likely at least 1 is going to have a flashlight. 2 distract or take hits while the third unhooks and body blocks the escape. Also more than likely at least 1 has an insta heal.

Point still stands. From OP's whining, it sounds like he and his friends got wiped trying to save their pal more than a few times and is now taking to the forums to express his emotions.

Yes, getting camped and facecamped sucks but you don't REDUCE the amount of campers by feeding them points through over-altruistic saves.

@se05239 said:

@purebalance said:

@se05239 said:
So you're playing a four man SWF and you're unable to punish camping? The second you, or your friend, on the hook says that they're being camped.. you should all just have rushed those generators to punish the killer.
Its your own fault for being super altruistic.

Actually a 4 man SWF should be able to easily free the person and escape. More than likely at least 1 is going to have a flashlight. 2 distract or take hits while the third unhooks and body blocks the escape. Also more than likely at least 1 has an insta heal.

Point still stands. From OP's whining, it sounds like he and his friends got wiped trying to save their pal more than a few times and is now taking to the forums to express his emotions.

Yes, getting camped and facecamped sucks but you don't REDUCE the amount of campers by feeding them points through over-altruistic saves.

Pretty much. Getting more kills from doing it makes them do it more. If they're that bad as SWF that they can't rescue then they can coordinate to just gen rush AND they don't have to worry about the hooked person killing themselves on the hook or dc'ing like non SWF groups have to deal with.

You should hear me ranting when someone kills themselves or dc's due to a camper "Oh yeah right punish the team because he's camping rather than stay on the hook and punish him for his stupidity"

I do have to say for the sake of non SWF groups, the killer portion of Kindred rank 3 needs to be baseline.

@pabloddiablo316 said:
It does not work,. Period. Ever since the halloween event started barring a few chilled out killers, I was either facecamped or tunneled around 95% of my games and tonight witnessed by 3 friends, it happend with 4 different killers. A myers, a doc and 2 dif wraiths.

All did same thing hook you stand there nodding at you and if anyone tries to save just hit em once so they go away to heal, rinse and repeat.

My suggestion is this (cue the killer main hatred) Instead of losing emblem points, put a counter onscreen showing their bloodpoints for the game and while they stay in camp range, show their bloodpoints draining away.

Lazy/bad killers will not give a damn about deranking or not ranking up if they can do this get crappy emblem results and stay where they are, but I am seeing it at rank 3!

Several of my friends have told me they have been in games like this too. it sucks all the fun out of the game when it is played like that. And b4 the killer mains have a go at me, I play killer too, I dont camp as I find that boring, I actually use BBQ and chilli for whats its intended, bonus points nad to go hunt other players, much more fun that way, for everyone.

I don't mind dying in game to a skilled killer, but a lazy swine should not be rewarded for facecamping. I have recorded some of it and asson as I get it to youtube (most likely tomorrow or saturday I will provide the link as proof it is happening.

Don't get me wrong, I love DBD its probably up there with 7 days to die and FO4 for sheer amount of playtime it gets on my PS4, but when damn near every killer I face plays like that, its not fun and I start looking to play something else and maybe eventually give up on DBD.

I have a rule with any game, if I no longer get any fun from playing it, its time for that game to go.

The penalty works very well. I tested it myself. If you camp all the game, then you will go out with zero chaser or maximal bronze chaser if you had to catch the last 2 guys by hand.

What BHVR doesnt understand is that noone wants to rank up as long as the game is such a mess at high ranks regarding unbalance and queue times. On top of that, there are ZERO rewards for ranking up.

Also I dont understand why you dont simply do the gens and leave the killer behind with <10k BP? It is so easy, you just have to hold M1. But nope, survivors - as stupid/entitled as they are - rush the hook even though I make no secret that im standing directly in front of it.
In the games where I tested the penalty, I easily 4ked AND even piped because the survivors refused to use their brains