DS was made true anti-tunnel-- BT's turn.

Borrowed Time should reveal your aura to the killer for the duration of the effect, so the killer knows to go for you. There we go, flawless anti-tunnel perk, they always go for the unhooker. If that's too much of a cost for the person running it, add in some bonus BP like WGLF or BBQ.

A quick look on the wiki says that protection hits happen if you are within 10 meters of an injured survivor, with a lasting effect of a few seconds (I don't know how long exactly) after leaving that radius. If both survivors starting sprinting directly away from each other at normal speeds it takes 1.25 seconds to get 10 meters distance between them. If protection hits has a lasting effect of 5 seconds that's 6.25 seconds that the rescuee can be downed. Even assuming it's 3 seconds still gives us 4.25 seconds at a minimum, which tunneling killers can take advantage of through no fault of the survivors.

I say the better change would be the one suggested by multiple people above saying that the rescuee loses collision. It fixes the annoying aspects without punishing the survivor.

Honestly, I would prefer some perks buffs before nerfing more perks. I feel like BT is not as annoying as current DS is and I think we are due for another round of perk buffs.

DS is still not an anti-tunnel perk. It's a single stun on a killer that's just had its activation requirements uselessly hedged to make it look like one. It still remains that DS is a second chance that just happens to need you to be tunneled. Believe me, I've tunneled people before, and one measly 5 second stun is not going to make me stop. Not only that, but if a survivor with DS who I didn't actually tunnel just runs at me, I can still slug the hell out of them.

Literally every hit by a camper on BT is going to be a protection hit, if you're injured (which you will be). Not only that, but this assumes that BT is meant to be an anti-camp perk. If it is, it does an awful job at it. You have to wait for a camping killer to attack you so you don't get grabbed, and even then, the unhook animation is long enough so that you can hit them right after, with no time for bodyblocking shenanigans. 

Even if they try to bodyblock for you, you can hit them and then go for them. If they try to bodyblock, they are going to be putting themselves in a very bad position. Most times you can chase them down.

The point of BT is not to prevent camping or whatever, it's to ensure a safe hook rescue while also hopefully ensuring the rescuer's safety. Unlike DS, it is easily counterable (not that it's even because of DS, many killers will make a concerted effort to not tunnel a guy off of hook unless they're being a jackass), and even if they do body block, it's easier to brute force.

Plus, if we nerf BT, we're going to get a lot less Bills, and they're the only reason I play. Slow vaulting Bills are the cutest thing on earth. Belle Delphine can eat her heart out.

Yeah,but now you need to wait another 45 seconds before you can pick up or else you eat a DS.

On the flip side to that scenario, you have killers who will not leave the hook no matter what (and ESPECIALLY if there is no BT).

I get what you are saying but unless they somehow miraculously figure out and have the game itself know when it is a strat vs an “abuse” on virtually anything... BT can stay the way it is.

Because as it is even DS (which was not strictly an anti tunnel perk, aside from this community deeming it that) still going to not counter hardcore tunneling.

Someone running to me as a killer with BT is just as cheesy as that annoying player roasting s’mores and abusing tunneling because “they can”. Even tho as someone who plays killer, I understand BOTH instances exist.

It's funny. I pretty much said the same. But people brought out the torches and pitchforks when I said it.

People commonly think this, but this is incorrect.

If a killer is tunnelling a survivor, they're obviously going to camp the hook and when someone unhooks, they'll aim for the hooked survivor, who is left with a moment of vulnerability.

Well BT makes it so doing that is punished, encouraging to hit the rescuer, and not the one who was rescued. It functions more as an anti-tunnel mechanic because chasing someone with BT is basically chasing a healthy survivor who might have DS as well.

That doesn't do anything though.

Sure,the survivor with BT is now downed but you have to either wait out the DS,eat the DS or try to find another survivor to chase.

And those are all terrible options to chose and can easily lose you the game

I would definitely like to see Boil Over get a buff. I tried running it for a long time but I just couldn't get any pay off out of it without someone still needing to block, or multiple Petrified Oak offerings.

1 million % agree with this post: 15 seconds of endurance is ridiculous.

I understand the annoyance with that dynamic, but you're looking at it the wrong way.

If they hook bomb like that, they're making a terrible play regardless. They're removing time on hook, allowing you a free hit on the rescuer, possibly a trade and at worst one injured and one in deep wound. That gives you a lot of pressure on two people in the same place without even needing to look for anyone right off the hook.

What you're saying is that you want to always be able to get the hook trade or the slug, which in itself would void the purpose of the perk entirely, even in those situation it was designed for.

BT and DS are the band-aid fixes whose existence prevents DbD from dying along the path of Deathgarden. If the perks in themselves have annoying traits, it's because that mirrors the annoyance of the situations they're trying to address i.e. camping /tunneling.

Also, don't take this the wrong way, but the solution you propose (protection hits disabling BT) effectively makes the perk non-existent given how protection hits work. That hints at the fact that your knowledge of the game is limited and the issue is not so much BT, but your need of more experience in how to deal with BT.

As a side note, if BT should be de-linked from terror radius triggers. But that's a story for another thread.