Why hold the game back for moonwalks?

We don't need a huge killer buff or map nerf (for most killers and maps anyways). Also when people were complaining about movement being changed, it wasn't because of 360s or moon walking but that movement felt extremely clunky especially when rounding corners, although some people did like messing around with 360s and moon walking.

360s are a thing that both survivors and killers can improve on. The animations change made it very hard to dodge slinger and huntress aswell

Moonwalking is a fun thing you can learn to do that really has little impact. They might as well keep it though since survivor movement was already perfect

It looks more clunky but feels less clunky.

When the devs clearly state that their visual animation update isn't intended to change how movement works and feels mechanically, then it turns out it did exactly that, it makes sense that they'll make additional changes to "fix" that.

I think you are intentionally being obtuse. I play 50/50 killer/survivor, and the movement was awful. "un telegraphed movement" does not make for easy games, it makes for counterplay. During that patch, if a huntress threw a fully charged hatchet, you pretty much couldn't dodge it. no matter what. Having the ability to dodge makes it a mindgame, where both the killer and the survivor can skillfully outplay each other. Think about how people often complain about Deathslinger, literally for this exact reason. Very little counterplay doesn't necessarily make a killer OP, but it makes them boring and un-fun to go against. Along with that, turning around while in chase felt terrible, you actually lost distance by doing so, even if you reacted well. Therefore, killers double backing at even safe pallets could gain them distance on account of survivors not being able to react in time due to the movement at the time.

As for moonwalking, people do it for fun, obviously it is more practical to be on a gen. I don't see why, assuming you play killer, you would be unhappy with people spending time not on gens. It's similar to flashlights. People waiting around a chase for beamer saves aren't on gens, so unless you land the save (which is very counterable), you have wasted possibly up to 60 seconds, which is 3/4 of a gen.

The fact that the company put out a survey asking if 360s and moonwalking were important to gameplay made me lose all hope in the developers.

Your bias is showing. Survivor movement has stayed the same for 5 years, and to have it changed so drastically screwed up a lot of survivor players me included. Being able to turn corners sharpely is NEEDED for loops and when you take the ability to do that you make a lot of loops in the game much more weaker. Hell, even the devs said themselves that the animation changes wasn't suppose to change survivor movement, only how it looks.

How would you feel if the devs made it so that whenever a killer moved side to side or backwards there movement speed would be reduced heavily because of an animation change?

I played around 100 hours on the patch that "changed" survivor movement. The problem with that patch was the desync hits. The movement felt more realistic and looked smoother. I had no problems looping the same as before minus the desync problem. Videos comparing the old/new movement showed there was zero difference in speed from the animation transitions.

The only thing I had difficulty with movement-wise was spinning after I messed up and should have been hit anyway from being out positioned or mind gamed.

The argument I always see from other survivor mains is "good killers don't get 360'd". If this is the case, removing it should have no impact on high level gameplay. Not to mention making it easier for new killers to play without getting steamrolled.

Thanks for reading. I'll be trying to stay awake waiting in survivor queues if anyone needs me 😉

You still can win and also having fun too. and when i said survivor fun is trying to win?

It has been always like that. Killers has the louder voice because most of contant creators are killer mains. which is kinda fine btw since the devs are listening to both sides.

360's do nothing but survivors will fight tooth & nail to have them in.

Kind of like when they say Dead Hard is a worthless perk as it leaves you exhausted on the ground but every survivor at rank 1 uses it.

It's almost like they're not being truthful 🤨

The thing I hate about 360's is how dumb they look. Some survivors can pull it off extra hard, and they go from in front of you, to a big whizz behind you at 200mph. I almost took my mouse off my mousepad the other day trying to keep up with that. It's just daft. Survivors complain about blight turning 180 degrees, yet it's ok for survivor models to do it?

Going for the 4k as the only goal no matter HOW you do it, It create the boring gameplay.

Not all of course, But the thing is tbagging and flashlight clicking isn't as bad as what the killer can do. Since one you can just ignore it because it dosen't effect your gameplay but the other you can't ignore.

Boring for whom, though? Because, clearly, you're only looking at it from one perspective.

I'm sorry if you think the hitbox of that update was inside the survivor and not seven meters behind them please look up any 4.5.0 gameplay and just watch that lovely ✨desync✨ and unironically try and say that again.

Would survivour still be just as strong even if they would be completely removed?

Yes.

Would there be less things to be good at and less ways to entertain yourself?

Yes.

Then whats the point of touching them other than pissing on people who spend thousands of hours on this game.

Other is a final attempt to not go down and other is just a minigame when walking from gen to another.

Its also very telling how they’re willing to pull months of animation work out of the game in an instant if survivors complain, but when the lots of people playing killer say autohaven is too dark or meat plant has too many god pallets they flat out refuse to do anything about it

It’s very obvious where their priorities are.

1) No because spirit isn't a 50/50 and more a 0.2/99.8.

2) As someone who mains PH you don't use POTD in the open. You either take the risk and prediction at a loop where they're hugging the wall with a single flick direction or you use it to zone. I assume it's a similar principle for the rest of the ranged cast but I can't talk about them cause I don't play them (Plague being the only one I've played a bit of and with her you SprayAndPray™)

I've literally never called it a 50/50, so I'm just using the same argument I've always used. If other people call it a 50/50 good for them, funnily enough we're completely different people.

Contrary to popular belief, not all survivors nor all killers are a hivemind with identical opinions.

And no, that update was an absolute buff for people who actually knew how to play him. If you still think of it as a nerf, you're not a good pyramid head player.

In fear of derailing this topic here I go.

"You're one of those people"

Yes I am, and I have the skills to back it up. I would unironically consider myself an incredibly good PH player, unlike everything else in this game which I'd say I'm pretty awful at.

It was a buff. To a good pyramid head the change was a buff; very, very few survivors are able to exploit the small window of time given when you cancel your power, and the reduced cooldown on POTD makes both missing less punishing and hitting even more rewarding.

I stand by my statement that he's one of the strongest killers in this game, and if you think he's only good in "a few situations" then you just need to get better.

He has one glaring weakness, which is the predrop-and-w-key style of gameplay as that renders him effectively powerless, however the second someone attempts to loop you it's over.