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"Solo is unbearable" is the same kind of excuse as "swf op"
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Really see how often people dismiss any kinds of arguments when they just can't not call something they dislike OP even if they are given a valid ways to deal with it.
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I'm not saying that "playing solo is easy" or "swf is easy to deal with".
I'm saying that "solo is unbearable, nerf X" or "SWF is OP nerf X" are the same kinds of exaggerated arguments that people use to justify their complaints when they have no valid arguments or if they are given valid argumentation they can't disprove.
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What’s the valid way to deal with SWF?
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I play solo exclusively. Solo is Fine. SWF is op tho
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Both can be true. Sometimes solo is a nightmare and sometimes you cant beat a swf.
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Yes, because we all know that organised SWF teams don't exist and that solo que always guarantees 4 decent players.
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Both complaints are equally as "scape-goaty" (for lack of a better term) and are largely excuses for failure rather than atonement for your own mistakes.
That being said, solo can be rough sometimes, and so can a good SWF.
But SWF, at large, 99% of the time, are just friends shooting the ######### with each other. They aren't tryharding, and usually the killer is psyching themselves out. Complaints about solo queue are often based around "this survivor didn't play how i wanted them to play, so i died". Which is dumb.
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Solo can be unbearable. Sometimes it's great and you play like a good team, while other times you get rubbish team mates who have no clue what to do as they self care in the corner when sloppy is in game.
Most swf groups are fine. They're out to have fun and you're able to manage them with relative ease as if it was are normal game. The problem is that some swf are genuinely OP and unless you're playing Nurse or Spirirt and maybe on a good day Freddy or Blight, the game is lost before it even begins. These squads however are rare and should not be confused with a team that capitalizes on you being a poor killer.
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I'm not saying that "playing solo is easy" or "swf is easy to deal with".
I'm saying that "solo is unbearable, nerf X" or "SWF is OP nerf X" are the same kinds of exaggerated arguments that people use to justify their complaints when they have no valid arguments or if they are given valid argumentation they can't disprove.
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Solo is harder than SWF. That's a fact. All other complaints are coming from this. SWF should be at same power level as solo, then complains will stop
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The thing is, it is SWF which is easy mode of a 'normal' mode that is solo, not the other way around.
Solo is the real game.
EDIT: and people complain exactly because they got used to playing in easy mode and can't deal with normal, real difficulty of the game.
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Right, so if I point out that solo que was the reason Ruin/Undying was nerfed and SWF is the reason DS and OoO are getting nerfed, I'm apparently just completely wrong about the whole thing?
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and solo is fine. You're not supposed to win 100% of your games as survivor and >50% escape rate is achievable as solo
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That's true. There was no SWF in the original game. It was added in post-release.
Solo has always been the intended way the game was designed to play. Hence the balance issues presented with it.
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We have suggested a WHILE ago that it shows in the endgame screen if you played with/against SWF or not.
I think it would be healthy and dispell a lot of assumptions.
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I think the issue lies with the way killers use it.
"SWF" - Could be a 2 man, 3 man or 4 man, when you just say you were beaten by a "SWF" are you talking about the 2 man and 2 solos that just rekt you or are you actually talking about a 4 man squad?
When someone complains about solo, that's exactly what it is, one person playing on their own, now i have no issues with SWF never have never will but complaining the same way about a 2 man as you do a 4 man an bundling them all together is ridiculous.
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Not every SWF is unbeatable. There are some really chill and casual swf players who play for fun. But it's the really good SWF who bring all meta perks and are extremely good at looping and gen management that are the problem. You simply cannot do much against them as killer and you are not very likely to have those kind of teammates in a solo queue
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Tbf I faced a SWF yesterday who were so intent on saving each other all five of us never left the killer shack with the basement in it and I got the 4K. I'm sure they bitched to each other about the toxic camping Doctor afterwards but it was their own fault for literally trying to save their friends right in front of me. The poor Laurie never even touched a gen and walked away with 4k BP.
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The problem isnt solo or SWFs itself, its rhw players who play these things.
Most solo players are just selfish and trash, and a massive solo buff wouldnt change that.
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Or it's because they can't be heavily reliant on their team mates so have to be more cautious when doing things.
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In solo I can get 3 people that have no idea how to counter any killer, they cant do chases and waste pallets like crazy which I could let all that go if they did gens but to have 3 people not doing gens its pathetic when they're ranks 2/3. However swf is easy mode, I'll play swf on the odd occasion but it's not a sweat squad. I'm insanely good but my friends arent so its probably the most balanced swf you see but its still easy as hell and it's why I play solo. JUST WISH THERE WASN'T GAMES WITH PEOPLE NEVER DOING GENS... seriously survivors have 1 objective why arent they doing it at the highest rank...
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If not so many players would be that bad, they wouldnt have to be more catious because then your mates would be more reliant.
Not saying solo shouldnt be buffed btw, but the big problem is still the other players.
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If you dismiss any kinds of arguments because "its useless against SWF" or "it wont work in solo" then you're certainly completely wrong about the whole thing
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Third Seal/Knockout builds, for one.
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SoloQ is fine, you just have to use your brains more. Hard for some people I know, but it can be done.
SwF removes need for any info perks and makes the game lot easier to play.
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You definitely dont play solo lol
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It's incredible how one perk, Kindred, more or less makes solo actually enjoyable. I honestly think it should be basekit for solo queue. As good as it is it feels ######### to have to run it whilst swf players who already have an insane advantage get all that and gameplay affecting perks.
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I play solo at red ranks, devotion 18, and a lot of times it isnt fine, no.
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Agreed. They need to buff solo to get on pair with SWF and then balance killers around that
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This. I play solo 100% in red ranks and I'm fine with it. Its how the game was designed and its no surprise that when SWF was implemented (due to community asking for it), it swayed the balance incredibly for the survivors because of voice comms and just having a ton of reliance on your teammates that you otherwise wouldn't have in solo. Being able to plan & stack perks, organize strategies, stack items/addons/offerings together, have call outs is obviously going to change the tide from 50/50 or worse to 90/10 when were talking about the incredibly sweaty SWF death squads.
Uhh why do you say this? I've been holding rank 1 exclusively solo queing w/ the rare matches where the team messes up so badly that I depip as a result. But then I just grab the r1 back in the next 1-2 matches. Crazy to think people can't solo que to high ranks and hold it or ?
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I say that cuz solo is not fine, not at the point of being impossible, but definitely not fine
Like this rare matches that you say isnt such rare, the matchmaking is bad
this is basically the only reason acctully
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