"DS NERF RESULTS"

Psychological effect? Maybe so on lower ranks, but in the higher ranks killers can slug those who have ds and then chase another, creating more pressure on survs. As a part-time killer myself, this approach works. Dunno why DS needed a nerf, it was balanced as it is.

If you have time to freely slug at your leisure, not caring about DS's timer at all, you're facing chill survivors who can't do gens properly and put that pressure on you. Versus them even original DS with 2 uses would seem balanced.

I know you said "No killer perk has come close", but remember pre-nerf MoM? Now that was busted, especially when used with DS.

But besides that, I'd argue pre-nerf Ruin might've been the closest contender to that claim. As of current perks it'd probably be Undying until it's nerfed... maybe.

Ha ha, neither do I.

The only comparison-ish to that atm is probably like Soul Guard, Adren, DS, and Unbreakable. But Soul Guard is only really annoying if you downed someone at a gate who has DS active and Soul Guard to negate a hit.

But that doesn't come close to MoM, which literally allowed someone with full health at a gate on 80% to take both hits and open it and DH into the exit.

You should not compare killer perks with DS. DS is more often used because of those killers who tunnel and camp. Ofcourse tunneling and camping are strategies used by killers at times (even I do it but rarely and when needed), but DS is the only thing that can protect a survivor from being gay-tunneled. Slugging helps both killer and downed survivors in different ways. But the DS nerf - this was not at all needed. Worst ever update. Hell, I can already see a lot of my surv friends leaving this game (other than those who have already left).

And before you come to conclusions, they were no noobs. They were great survivors and killers at red ranks.

Slugging the survivors instead of being able to hook them was huge though, slugging because a survivor had DS is still more beneficial to them because that is a hook state you miss out on while they can work on objectives.

Not defending those perks, but some killer perks have similar effects.. Always assume the killer has BBQ, Nurse's Calling, NOED and whatever other perks.. BBQ and Nurse's (and other aura reading perks) can be easy to figure if you have Distortion, but if you don't want to bring that, yeah assume they have it, hide near hooks or in lockers, don't heal within the killer's range, do bones.

The thing is that someone is going down regardless, unless I run BT and Dead Hard. I don't like running either of them. I'm an off-meta fun perk player.

Why should we be punished because the killer wants to make sure that survivor doesn't have any fun? Unless it is end-game or a probable cause, of course. I get killers doing it to BMers and in situations where that is really the only way to secure a kill. I 100% get that, but there isn't a way to have both players make it out there unless it's a whole squad rescue mission, which isn't happening in solo queue.

I don't like leaving people to die on the hook because there is nothing I can do. I'm very altruistic.

That's not the the killer doing it to make sure people dont have fun tho. Killers can only chases 1/4 survivors and going after the weak survivor is always the best play. I can understand you not wanting to bring those perks and there's nothing wrong about that, but it is a team game and if you dont look out for the team then things will fall apart.

i still think the unhooking part is unnecessary you can still unhook someone and be tunneled i would’ve rather it been if another survivor is hooked to me that kinda just tells me to camp cause now all i gotta worry about is bt

Same reason they'd stop to tap a regressing gen as they're being chased: they like making bad decisions, and somehow don't think they should be punished for it.

And that is exactly a reason ds had to be nerfed. It created situations of really unsafe unhook attempts under the same conditions like pre nerf bt. A freshly unhooked survivor with running ds timer equipped with bt ran straight to another hooked survivor leading the killer right along. After the unhook one survivor is unhook able because of ds and the other is protected by bt and has probably ds themselves. What is the killer supposed to do here? The bt survivor will probably Bodyblock for the speed boost from the hit and both survivor have still ds running and can't be hooked.

A stupid play by the survivor made valid by perks. The only thing the killer can do in this situation is either eat one ds (or both, in case of bodyblocking again) or slug the survivor with is pseudoprogress for the killer (easily undone by healing or unbreakable) since the permanent progress in from of a hookstate is impossible to achieve.

And in terms of survivor definition both targets would get tunneled by the killer while they are an unsafe unhook (a bad move) but are protected by their perks to punish the play of the killer while the killer is unable to punish the bad play from the survivor.

Is the killer in this scenario supposed to let both survivor simply go free and relinquish all the pressure they worked for? How is that fair?

Here I thought we were going to see some type of chart or something, but nah, just more bashing players for giving their opinions.

I never used it so it doesn't affect me. I just find it funny how survivors would attack killers complaints (especially about the ruin nerf) and here they are, all complaining, without taking their own advice to git gud and apply pressure.

youre either overestimating ds or underestimating old undying and/or corrupt intervention. CI is easily the 2nd strongest perk in the game behind dead hard.

If you are being tunneled, who is hooking your teammates? To be tunneled means that the killer is going for you, and only you until you are out.

Also, if you are being chased, why would you pull a survivor off hook where they are vulnerable? At that point it seems less like team tactics and more like sacrificing a team member to the killer.

If its ruin then that's only 1 totem to cleanse. If it's noed that's still only 1 totem to cleanse. If the "tunneled" survivor is smart they won't be healing under hook....