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Demo Seems a lot Stronger Than People Give Him Credit For
Decided to try out Demo, thinking I wouldn’t like him cause he’s just a mindless beast but so far he’s pretty good. His portals work real well for gen patrolling. His lungs attack is fantastic as well. The only issue I guess is he feels really sluggish during chases and such. Despite that, so far I’m doing good in my matches. 2ks and 4ks. The Killer I tried before was Legion and honestly he was kinda awful. Barely got a kill with him and his frenzy always ended too quick for me. So I may be sticking with Demo for awhile. That does beg the question though, why so few Demo players? I have rarely encountered him as survivor and I get tons of Legions compared to him. Is he actually just a bad killer and I got lucky? I rarely encounter him, Clown, or Myers.
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It's almost like the average player is averagely skilled
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What do you mean?
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I think he’s pretty junk. He can be OK at straight loops but his shred does almost nothing at circular loops.
He still takes two hits to down people, he can be fed pallets, and his mobility both takes time to set up and can be taken away.
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Demo is a strong killer, people just heavily underestimate the big guy. Anti-loop, mobility, mindgame potential, faking shreds, tracking ability and insane 3-gen pressure. In the right hands, they are one of the strongest B-tier killers in the game (probably even the strongest in the B-tier) IMO.
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I mean I managed to get a 4K at cold wind from a SWF just now. Maybe I just got lucky or they were bad, though they were all purple and red ranks. His lunge works for me if I do it before they reach the pallet. And putting portals around gens and hooks helps patrol the area. Probably how it will go for me though is first couple of games were great, the rest I’m going to eat dirt.
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He seems pretty good so far. I fear though he won’t be good at all in indoor maps. Most of my maps have be open maps.
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He has too much counterplay to every part of his kit. He has the lowest killrate for a reason.
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Like what kind of counter play?
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If you 4kd them with demo; you probably could have 4kd them with just about any killer. He’s throughly mediocre. Medicore antiloop and medicore mobility.
His addons are trash, he has like 3 worth using. You barely have any time to mess around with portals until someone is already dead. People say he’s good at holding spread out 3 gens but all the survivors have to do is hold W away and it won’t work.
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Shred:
- So easy to just flick left or right and completely avoid it
- Tap E to outplay
Teleport
- Can be destroyed easily and taken away. You then need to walk all the way over the map to set it up again
Stealth
- Oblivious only lasts a short while
- Demo has BIG clomping footsteps so survivors can hear him anyway
Then there's just the general counterplay that comes from being a basic killer which is pallets and windows stop him cold. Also he roars all the time letting survivors know what he's doing and when he's in chase.
Now compare that to the average counterplay that survivors have at loops, or the counterplay that survivor meta perks have like DS, BT, DH, SB, Unbreakable etc - i.e. little to none.
It's very easy for survivors to make Demogorgan their "bad word" because he has so much counterplay and by comparison they have so little.
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A skilled Demo that uses portals very aggressively is very scary.
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Twitch streamer Bronx mains demo, and gets 4ks almost every game at rank 1. I think the biggest issues with Demo are build variety and the learning curve. His best add-ons are brown, and the rest are almost useless in comparison.
Most killers I've seen lately are ranged, PH, slinger, huntress, ect. Demo's Shred won't go over short loops, and the portals take more thought than Freddy's teleport.
I think Demo is just a bit challenging, and quite punishing for most to pick up, but he is VERY fun and rewarding when mastered. I've spent more BP on doggo than any other killer myself <3
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Shred:
- Fake your shred to get more distance towards the survivor, will cause the survivor to panic
- Bait out Dead Hard by faking Shred
Teleport:
- Hold right click (M2) to channel abyss. Channeling the abyss lets you know when a survivor is on top of an activated portal. If the portal is nowhere near a generator, let them waste time on that portal to slow the game down. If not, use one of your portals on the map or place a portal to get to that portal and begin the chase.
Stealth:
- Hide your portals so that it's harder for survivors to see you. You're likely to get a free hit if someone is near your portal.
- Can't argue with that one though but eh, his playstyle is similar to Wraith.
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You can bait out DH if the survivor is out of position, but at a loop when you need to pull off a split second Shred to get the hit, thats when there's no time to bait it out.
Checking abyss for survivors is one thing but its not like you have ample free time as killer. You'll be in a chase or pressuring gens/survivors, thats when they take your portalsl from you. Its really easy to do, 14-16 seconds or so? and then you need to walk all the way over if you want a new one.
Demos kit works at low ranks but it falls apart against the sweaty teams. Any killer hindered by pallets does really.
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4ks almost every game at rank 1 is pretty easy for any experienced killer. It’s trivial to tunnel a bad survivor out and win a 3v1 by default. Survivor ranking has boosted tons of potatoes into red ranks.
Once the MMR system comes out I’m sure the 4K train will probably come to a swift halt as he gets meta SWFs back to back. Beating up on solo Q teams isn’t really an indicator of a killers strength.
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Demo is awesome, same as hag and the twins. Just they aren't that popular.
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Nevermind. A few more games later and I see Demo is hilariously garbage against even a decent group of survivors. I love how this game tricks you into liking a killer for awhile then pulls the rug out from under you very quick.
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Niche killer like trapper.
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Every Killer is a niche killer if it’s not Spirit, Nurse, or Freddy.
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Hold forward and slam pallets early. If your teammates do gens, there is nothing he can do.
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Yeah I figured that out. Funny how this game tricks you into having fun with a new killer for a match or two. Then reality hits and you realize it’s another garbage killer and the only good ones are two out of the dozen or so killers. What a waste.
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Demo is a very mid tier killer. I have fun when playing him, but if I'm going against decent survivors I expect to either have a sweaty time or a loss. Rat Liver is a MUST on Demo and STBFL is a perk I never take off.
My Demo Build is: BBQ, Pop, STBFL and Enduring.
I put portals on gens because that way I always know what gen is being worked on, and I force them to waste time breaking them if they wanna work on gens. So I completely forget about Demo's potential stealth. I prefer the info. Some people prefer the stealthier approach and that's fine too. I find my approach a bit more straight forward for my playstyle.
With Enduring I never have to be worried about being pallet stunned, so I can just either shred or lunge at pallets. Honestly Enduring is one of my fav perks in general. Remember if you get a pallet dropped before even readying a shred or if you get stunned, it's actually faster to break normally, unless you are at a distance from the pallet, then it's faster to shred.
With STBFL you up Demo's lethality and you can shred the obsession. But you must understand that sometimes the obsession will make it impossible for you to shred them. If that's the case, forget the stacks, the hit can be more important.
Overal Demo is not a waste. He can be really fun, but it's important to understand how he is the most mid tier killer in the game, and he can only do so much against very competent survivors.
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He really isn't good.
He's boring and permanently mid-tier.
I hope he gets a Freddy style rework where they make him interesting, because as of now, there's no reason to play him.
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To set up Demo's portal you lose at least 1 gen, then after 1 use survivor can break your portal and it's not that hard to find.
Survivor can bait you into shredding into nothing, predictable survivor will get hit and predictable Demo will get baited like any other killer/ability.
He require set up, his power are just decent and have counterplay and his add on are trash for the most part. He need to be buffed somewhere. Maybe they could give him better add on like:
-Portat can't be broken (Purple/Pink)-> That might be really strong but if they don't buff him in any other way, I mean why not? Freddy is similar, dosen't need set up but is limited by gen
Add 1-2 use by portal before survivor can break them (Green) -> That can only help him maintain good map pressure and again he still need some set up unlike all the other killer with good mobility
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Make his feet do less noise->He's a ######### truck ATM. Combined with the undetectable status he get when teleporting that could give him some nice gameplay and survivor can break down portals after one use.
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More Add-ons like Rat's Liver, more movement speed why shreading to give him better anti loop.
I don't think that would make him too strong and that would give him different gameplay (what add on are supposed to do). If anything you can always debuff an other part of his kit if one add on is too strong or make it so he need to add on to make it worth (like 2 add on like rat's liver)
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If survivors are avoiding shreds you're not using his shred correctly. It's like Pyramid Head, you zone survivors and only let it rip when you have an almost guaranteed hit except you can't go through pallets. There's no dodging or mindgaming Demo shreds if you're actually running tiles properly as him which, if you're running them the same way as a standard M1 killer you're already doing it wrong.
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Holding shred slow till you use it or release it, unlike Piramid Head who is only slowed for 1 second or so. Also Unlike PH's power, Shred can't hit survivor on the other side of pallet/window so the timing to hit survivor is shorter. Both their power's cooldown are about the same but PH's is stronger.
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I personally believe if you learn him and know how to play him he can potentially be strong. Although if you don't take the time, he's really not all that great.
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He doesn't really have anti-loop though. He can fake his power sure but other then that? He can't hit through walls or gaps like Huntress, deathslinger and pp head. Demo also doesn't slow down survivors like Clown, or move at incredible speeds to get hits like Blight or Hillbilly. Demo ultimately, still has to just loop normally for the most part (In some situations his Shred really shines but that's very situational). His mobility has to be set up and can be destroyed, same for his tracking ability. He's also very loud when walking around which can actually make it harder to mindgame attentive survivors. He can break pallets with his power I guess but so can: Blight, Hillbilly, Leatherface and Oni. Nothing special really. I will concede the 3 gen thing though, A Demo with save the best for last and a 3 gen can be pretty scary. Unless of course the survivors play smart by splitting up and working on the final 3 gens simultaneously, thereby making it impossible for the Demo to defend. Though that's not really a problem with Demo specifically and is unlikely to happen in the average game anyways. I'd argue that at best, Demo is low B though more accurately high C tier. He doesn't really have anything unique to him and the things he does have aren't as strong as people let on.
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