What happened to this being fun?
Where has the fun gone out of this game? Match after match after match no matter if I play killer or survivor the people I go up against are complete sweatlords. They aren't there to make the game fun for the other people they are playing with. Killers constantly camp/slug/tunnel, even when playing swf (non comms) and the other survivors try to protect against the killer and take hooks etc killers just aren't interested they just want to tunnel someone out the game! Then as killer against survivors they are either totally unproductive and just want to bully the killer or literally just have come in with full toolboxes/bnp and prove thyself. Where's the gameplay? 😓
Never mind the fact I had someone as a killer in a 'tournament mindset' this shouldn't even be in the regular servers literally queueing up for a game for it to be over in 3/4 minutes cos they just go in hard. I know people won't agree with me and most likely these people are the culprits.
If you have nothing of value to add to the conversation then don't I would like a genuine discussion about it.
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I've been having a pretty good run of fun games recently. There are always some sweat lords on the survivor and killer side but mainly it's been pretty good. If I was going to have a complaint it's that people are actually just not very tactical on the whole. The number of times I watch my teammates just run around like headless chickens while someone leads a killer on a 2-minute chase is crazy high.
As for the tunneling I have seen lots of posts about this but I haven't noticed a change at all in the last few months. I'm only rank 8 but from 20-8 I have been tunneled maybe 5 times and some of those were likely because I had found a key in a chest or was simply looping the killer enough to get them tilted.
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Ruining other peoples fun is some peoples idea of fun sadly. That's why blatant hackers are a thing. I'm guessing they probably had a bad childhood or something.
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I'm happy you have had a fun time at least there is still some decent players out there! And yes the headless chicken thing is too true! As a solo survivor I see it all too often and often get left on a hook til second stage
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Honestly I think people actually get off on it, the fact they don't even hide it either. I don't get how they get through the anti-cheat thing
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Everybody's version of fun is different. You can't say someone else's is invalid because it doesn't match up with your own.
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Like I said nothing to add don't comment
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Some people have fun trying their best to win. Do I? No but that doesn’t mean we should invalidate their way of play
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There's a difference between trying your best and having fun and trying your best and ruining the game for everyone else
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To these people doing these things is fun
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They're making a valid point and I think they're absolutely right. What is "sweating" to you might just be another player who has the most fun when they win. There is no reason to expect that other players' fun and your fun are always going to line up.
If you're constantly playing against sweatlords, either MMR is still wonky, or you're probably sweating yourself. If the former, it should get better over time. If the latter, stop sweating yourself and you'll eventually have fewer people sweating against you.
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How dare people try to win at a game! They're truly monsters, don't they know that them trying makes it harder for you to win? I'm sorry you had to go through that, with any hope someday people will realize that the only appropriate way to play against you is to blindfold themselves and randomly smack the keyboard.
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This is a discussion forum not a circle jerk to only agree with what you have to say.
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I'm not a fan of camping tunneling etc or SWF gen rushing. However it's not against the rules so who am I to tell anyone that they can't play the game however they want to play it?
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Because some of us find it fun to always play wide open and there's nothing wrong with that.
You will never shame me into NOT always playing to win. It's just the way I'm wired, deal with it.
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The thing is everyone's win definition is different and fun is subjective. As such, if you have a 4k win definition as a killer, you will seize any opportunities you can to make this happen, hence adding to your fun.
However, this directly affects another person's game, killing them or tunneling, etc, making their game experience unfun or a loss in their own definitions. This can also be argued to be true in reverse.
Simply put, there are two many perspectives as well definitions of fun and wins, for everyone to be happy all the time. Play chill and sweats have no fun, play sweaty and the chills have no fun. I say play the way you want to verse, and be happy to be "doing you". And respect those that do it differently.
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if You want to have fun play KYF with the same mentality of fun, some people may find it fun to gen rush or tunnel and camp. I do it sometimes. It’s not particularly ruining fun for others. Like there’s no actual rule to say who can’t do this or who can do that. You want to camp then do so or even tunnel or even gen rush. You can have fun it you make it fun.
I’ll do it for you.
“like I said, If you have nothing of value to add to the conversation then don’t”
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If I read your intention right, you don't want anyone who disagrees with you to chime in on the conversation? I assume you are the person who decides if what we add has value? I do so love posts like these; they make me laugh. The game is still the game. The only thing that has changed is you. Perhaps it is time for you to hit the electronic highways and search for the next big thing. Don't worry, I'm going to explain this to you, although I doubt you will accept the reality of it. Doing so would admit that you, yourself, are the problem.
DbD does change and evolve but it does so with glacial slowness. This is because they would rather annoy us with a minor problem for years than create bigger ones due to rushing. Unintended consequences come with every change. You on the other hand, change rapidly; so do I. Everyone playing a new game goes through stages, wherein there is the wonder, the golden time when wonder is mixed with just enough knowledge, the challenge, and ultimately the tedium. You can't go home again. The time of wonder was only possible for that brief shining moment when the game was new, the maps were not burned into your memory, and things still felt like watching a horror film. The golden time was when things were still new enough and you now knew enough that everything was FUN without real effort. Nobody on either side knew enough to be super deadly, just enough to make games feel challenging without being overwhelmed. You can't go back there either, short of a head injury. You know too much, and so do your opponents.
Then comes the challenge where people know the game, the maps, and the strategies. Things are still fun for those who like a challenge and still have nostalgia for the game. There is this silly notion in the back of your mind that only some of these games will be rough and hard, but many will still be FUN as you used to define it. This is self deception; you cannot go home again. You and your opponents are going to be down to brass tacks, fighting for every inch of every map. You either enjoy that kind of challenge or you don't. If you don't, the tedium comes faster. Even if you do, eventually the game will be tedious because even the challenge will fade. In both cases, it is time to move on. Even I, who LOVES every sweaty match, will eventually grow bored, and will move on.
I digress. The problem isn't the game or your opponents. YOU are the problem. The game isn't fun, never has been. Games are just games. People bring their mindset and fun with them. If you can't muster it anymore, you won't find it in DbD. Some people take break and come back; that seems to work for a few. Some people cut their losses, remember the good times, and move on to make new memories and start the stages all over again in a new game. A few, twisted individuals continue to play a game they don't enjoy and then pester the rest of us complaining about it. That is madness, to do the same thing over and over and somehow expect a different outcome. I believe in honesty and tough love. I'm not saying these things to be mean. You have to accept that the only fun you are going to have in DbD is going to come from you, that it has always only come from you. You have some hard choices to make.
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I don't sweat I can't be bothered to sweat it supposed to be a fun game.
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Did I actually say they can't? I asked where the fun went...
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I'm not shaming anyone I asked where the fun went if you think I am then that's your own issue. Deal with it
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I think you just got burnt out like I have. Win or lose I don't really have fun anymore, on either side. Just feels by the numbers. I'm taking a break from the game and hoping it'll resonate with me when I come back.
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I never said they can't I just want to know when in became unfun to play. Yes everyone has a different opinion of what's fun but seriously it's becoming ridiculous
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I was actually considering your opinion until you did that at the end. Shame you can't have a grown up conversation
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I didn't say you did. I was speaking in general about the game as a whole. Not you personally.
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Yeah something like this can surely be implemented when they have stuff for MMR even if its not currently working
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Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot, reading your message was tedious. I was asking where the fun went and wasn't bothered with people and bullshit answers. I've actually had people that understand where I'm coming from so it isn't just me that's the problem. There is no reason to get into an argument about things if you disagree with what I say move on. You don't have to try and be a smart ass.
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I don't know I love the game and I don't play it half as much as I did because of the state its in.
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Same boat. Frustrated with the new content being lackluster. Devs spending time on things like Billy's overheat and Breakable walls instead of things that are actually wanted, slow update/bug fix cycle, etc.
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Ok? You have chosen unrealistic fantasy world where you blame your lack of fun on OTHER people and the game itself. My obligation to help you has been satisfied. One can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Just remember the old saying, "wherever you go, there you are." I hope you do find your fun again, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Their having fun, just because you aren't isn't their problem. It's an online game so long as they are playing within the rules they can play however they like. If you don't like that then you're best suited to offline games where you don't have to play with other people.
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Because survivors have been nerfed for 5 years non-stop. It is balanced for killrush killer vs. 4 man SWAT sweat teams. If you are neither of these, step aside because you don't matter.
Killer is way too overpowered for anything less than a 4 man SWF genrush team. It's not a fun game any more because of having to genrush as fast possible with no interaction in the game. If you are wanting to play to have fun then you will lose.
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Winning and winning decisively are fun for a lot of people. You need to make your own fun in Dead by Daylight. The only thing anyone else in the game owes you, whether killer or survivor, is to not cheat, use exploits and not say offensive or disgusting things in chat. Other than that, expecting people to play the way you want them to is pretty self-centered tbh.
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I've been having way more fun as of late, and caring WAYYY less about my match results.
Surprisingly, my results have improved astronomically!
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Kirkylads initial comment was a valid point to have a discussion about, yet you told him it wasn’t...
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Solo survivor has been rougher than ever for me recently. The killers are sweatier and random teammates are worse than ever. Every second match there is someone who suicides on first hook and in teammates going down in 5 seconds.
And during prime time the matchmaking is putting me with rainbow teammates....
I would que as killer but I'm not interested in matching with 3k hours sweatlords running SWF on comms. Actually, that might still be better than this s...show.
Honestly, im not having fun at this point and I'm only committing because I bought the premium pass
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Especially given how your second paragraph was basically complaining that somebody like myself shouldn't be on regular servers.
Even if you got your separate q's, what's stopping a sweatlord from sitting in the Casual Q anyway and ruining your fun? What you are essentially hoping for is objectively impossible to enforce
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you were under no obligation either.
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fun, what fun. this is a job. take it or leave it. now seriously, they have hanged the word fun in the streets.
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good question my friend but this game being for fun died about 4 years ago. I try to have fun with it but I feel like I'm in the minority on that one
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Heh. I'm always under an obligation when I hear a cry for help. That is what your posts always sound like, an angry, helpless child wailing lost in a Department Store. When I see these posts I do feel obligated to try and help, but there is only so much one can do if someone refuses any help tossed their way. However, since you were so polite and told me to "shut up" I just have to respond. It is my shallow nature. Let's look way back to roughly eight months ago when you first appeared. We know exactly when you started playing because you dated yourself in one of your very first posts in August of last year. You said:
"Hey so I'm new to DBD not even a week a lot of what your saying makes sense. I started off as killer played some survivor went back to killer. Yesterday was the worst day playing very toxic players mismatched in the system. One literally stood there and blinded me with a torch for a good minute... I get told I'm [BAD WORD], I get 360d all the time. And survivors blocking the hooks? Is that a thing? Also forgive me... Teabagging haha... I just want to play I'm not bothered if you survive if I get you I get you if I don't I don't but play fair!"
That's odd, you don't sound like you are having much fun back then either. I took the liberty of going through your various posts and it came as no great surprise that you are unhappy in most of them. Going by your posts, I can't quite locate this time when the game used to be fun for you. So I have to ask, what is the basis of your comparison when you say the game is no fun now? I considered quoting all your posts or at least one from each month you made to thoroughly illustrate this point, but I suspect anyone who wants to listen to you lament DbD can quickly go look them up. What I found, taking just a few minutes to look into you deeper than your posts in this thread, is that you are a serial complainer. You have been one from the start. So please enlighten us; why are you still here?
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I feel you, its terrible right solo survivor is hard!!!
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We definitely are the minority
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You really have too much time on your hands my guy.
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Please keep this thread on topic and don't insult other users - lets have a civil discussion about this without all the biting at one another, that doesn't solve anything!
Thank you.
Mandy
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tbh I don't care about rank or the result I just want fun I guess solo queue does make it a lot harder at times
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I'm not being self centered I wanted a discussion about it. I never at any point said they can't
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I find solo pretty fine....Unless the killer is literally facecamping someone, I'm almost guaranteed to at least safety pip during any match with 20k+ BP.
I play solo primarily.
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Then I admire you!
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I mean really how many camping and tunneling threads are there going to be for killer mains really to stop doing this? I am sorry the days of saying "this doesnt happen that often", or "I only tunnel when I have to because four gens are done and I have downed no one" are over. Most (not all) killer mains do tunnel and camp, its in almost every damn game I play now. I am not exaggerating or making it up. I play a couple of hours a night and where I used to see camping and tunneling maybe in a game or so, now it is like every other game. It is just so dumb, its lazy game play solely to win, and it makes it less and less fun to play the game. It IS the reason I have gone from a few hours of play a day to maybe a game or two. Just last night the same damn Wraith killer (literally the same one) in two games hooks then goes invisible, sits by the hook only to get survivors who try to rescue. If you happen to get the save he goes right for the same unhooked survivor. Are some killer mains that bored and lazy that this is the go to move all the damn time????
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Ditto. I actually enjoy Solo Que. There is something very satisfying about managing to communicate and coordinate with people in the game without Seal Team Six headsets in our ears. There is a purity to it. My current goal is to get to Rank-1 playing Solo. The closest I've gotten yet is Rank-3. I tend to slide between 3-5, having hit a wall for the time being.
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