Let's talk about Amanda (The Pig)

Her normal lunge is ridiculous, yesterday i was playing the Pig and I downed someone without actually connecting my knife, almost looked like a teleport.
But I dont agree on "Her ambush lunge lasts way too long" Do people really use the ambush? I use it at unsafe pallets sometimes but the "roar" at the start of the ambush makes it unusable vs higher ranks

Everything is fine but her lunge. Given all that she does, she doesn't deserve such a vastly long lunge. Still, ez 360s here and there.

She is actually one of the most balanced Killers in the game, I'd say right below The Nurse and The Hillbilly.

The long timer is the result of them including maps like the Pale Rose and Asylum which are so enormous, any timer shorter would pretty much bone any survivor who had to search for a 4th box. I think it would benefit many of us if they would just size down both of those maps a not only because of that timer, but I'm sure most of us agree those maps are waaaaay to large. (they should at least set up the timer time to be map dependent IMO)

I'm kinda surprised anybody is complaining about the ambush to be honest. Walking around crouched is terrible for your area awareness and hampers your mobility to the point it nullifies your map pressure. Not to mention that Sprint Burst more or less counters the ambush unless you are completely asleep at the wheel.

The true purpose of the traps is just to keep them off gens for a period of time - to buy you more time to get things done. The 30 seconds they spend on that box is 30 seconds a gen isn't done. assuming they all get the first guess right, that's 2 minutes you've taken people off a gen. If you do the math, you've effectively given yourself more than 1 extra gen if you manage to use all 4 of your traps (and it's often longer given travel time or bad guesses)

Not saying she's the greatest thing since bacon, but she's a solid mid-tier pick that's no-where near OP and not suffering nearly as bad as the worst killers.

I find her to be one of the least annoying killers to go up against. And as a killer main that uses her as my main secondary pick, I do not feel she makes me tunnel any more or any less than usual.

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

As much as I hate playing against the pig Bc of the way people play her ;she’s a stealth killer. Every killer is different. I think a lot of peoole seem to ignore the fact that each killer has their own style. They are all different. If you don’t play to her advantages as a killer you’re not going to have a good time. It should be harder to blind her she has a huge mask on. 

Also the reverse bear traps are hard enough to get off assuming you don’t get recaptured and hooked again before you can get it off or the timer runs out Bc on a larger map it’s difficult especially with an observant killer. By this I mean if you have a lot of survivors running around trying to get bear traps off you can bet they are going to be at the boxes trying to get them off. As soon as someone completes a generator the timer starts on the trap. Trying to be one step ahead of your opponent and think what would I do if I were a survivor and that will help you out a lot. If you play to a killers advantages and pick a killer that fits your play style then you will have a lot more fun. 


I think that a lot of people try to play killers to things that aren’t the killers strengths , and I like solving problems so maybe an item in a killers bloodwed(you could make it a rare item) would be that you could swap powers for a single trial with another killer and use their perks/play style to the character that you aesthetically like but it be to their “origin” 

example lets say you are playing the Freddy but you hate the way the dream world gets entered you use the doctors power of “shock treatment” but instead of shock it’s the dream world but it activates the same way. 

Or or you like the pigs crouching stealth but you love Michael Myers you could opt to swap and instead of stalking and going evil within then you could crouch and ambush instead. 

Like I said it would have to be an unlockable through blood web that you could use every now and then otherwise the survivors would just be completely f’d up all the time. Because as a survivor you rely on knowing how a killer operates to be able to try and counter. 

I think it would shake things up a bit. 

Pig need QoL in my opinion like he can interupt actions surv when he crouch like when surv reperair gen he can grab him.Also he need later this sound when he atack becose all surv use just SB and bb pig we start loop again.Traps is just a little addon for pig not a some very good power.Just buy your time some times.DOn't have potential to killa at all when surv from start game see all jigsaw box.

@Brady said:

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

It's probably more likely it has to do with their swing animation. Every other killer more or less swings straight down. Freddy and Amanda swing diagonal or sideways. I'm not certain if that plays into hit detection through windows, but it's an interesting difference to note.

I'm a Doc main myself, and I've noticed I don't have issues hitting through windows. From what I can tell, it has more to do with when you start your lunge. Lunge too close or too far to the right or left, you hit the window. Hit the window straight at the middle with the right distance, you'll get the survivor at ridiculous differences that make even the killer blink.

@Brady said:

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

The cones are the exact same for all killers. No exception.
The range is eventually different, due the fact it's tied to movement speed.

You guys are just spreading myths, because your perception is wrong due to the fact you play against smaller killers.

@SasukeKun said:

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

The cones are the exact same for all killers. No exception.
The range is eventually different, due the fact it's tied to movement speed.

You guys are just spreading myths, because your perception is wrong due to the fact you play against smaller killers.

Guess some of us just need to start posting footage then if you really think we'd waste time like that

Go on.
I go all these killers P3, and play since day 1. I play mostly Billy, and I played Pig extensively these last months.
There's not a single difference between the two lunges.
But sure, prove me wrong if you can, I'll watch it.

@SasukeKun said:

@Runiver said:

@SasukeKun said:

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

The cones are the exact same for all killers. No exception.
The range is eventually different, due the fact it's tied to movement speed.

You guys are just spreading myths, because your perception is wrong due to the fact you play against smaller killers.

Guess some of us just need to start posting footage then if you really think we'd waste time like that

Go on.
I go all these killers P3, and play since day 1. I play mostly Billy, and I played Pig extensively these last months.
There's not a single difference between the two lunges.
But sure, prove me wrong if you can, I'll watch it.

I wish i had the footage of yesterday watching her finish the swing animation and then it hits anyway ??? like what? It's not 100% on The Pig either, Killers now have the luxury of taking many stuns but still getting the hit. I've watched Amanda/Lface swing as i throw it down and teleport to the other side then teleport back. Sure i'll start filming for the future it would be fun to reminisce if i catch something spicy

It has always been the case. If you drop too late, you get hit.
It was also like that pre-vacuum, except the vacuum made the survivors to "snap".
Also, this is a completely different topic than the "different lunge of Pig/Freddy", taht suddendly turned into "Leatherface" and added him in the list for some reasons.
All killers do have the same lunge except for slower ones. Learn to deal with it, that's just basic game mecanics.

SasukeKun said:

@FrenziedRoach said:

@Brady said:

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

It's probably more likely it has to do with their swing animation. Every other killer more or less swings straight down. Freddy and Amanda swing diagonal or sideways. I'm not certain if that plays into hit detection through windows, but it's an interesting difference to note.

I'm a Doc main myself, and I've noticed I don't have issues hitting through windows. From what I can tell, it has more to do with when you start your lunge. Lunge too close or too far to the right or left, you hit the window. Hit the window straight at the middle with the right distance, you'll get the survivor at ridiculous differences that make even the killer blink.

I played some games yesterday and watched from hanging on a hook her swing and she doesn't even make contact with her knife and was still just hitting people. All other thing's aside one of the main issues i have with her is her lunge. You can't just expect perfect MS with every killer on top of it all and her swing is really ridiculous. Small compared to others or not she will hit you from the other side of a window, and hit you through pallets. I'm all for having her be a threat but there's a lot of things about her that don't really make sense

The hit cone for most killers at base level are the same. It's not where the weapon is, there's a cone so killere with shorter weapons can have same lunge.

SasukeKun said:

@Dabrownman1812 said:
SasukeKun said:

@FrenziedRoach said:

@Brady said:

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

It's probably more likely it has to do with their swing animation.  Every other killer more or less swings straight down.  Freddy and Amanda swing diagonal or sideways.  I'm not certain if that plays into hit detection through windows, but it's an interesting difference to note.

I'm a Doc main myself, and I've noticed I don't have issues hitting through windows. From what I can tell, it has more to do with when you start your lunge. Lunge too close or too far to the right or left, you hit the window. Hit the window straight at the middle with the right distance, you'll get the survivor at ridiculous differences that make even the killer blink.

I played some games yesterday and watched from hanging on a hook her swing and she doesn't even make contact with her knife and was still just hitting people. All other thing's aside one of the main issues i have with her is her lunge. You can't just expect perfect MS with every killer on top of it all and her swing is really ridiculous. Small compared to others or not she will hit you from the other side of a window, and hit you through pallets. I'm all for having her be a threat but there's a lot of things about her that don't really make sense

The hit cone for most killers at base level are the same. It's not where the weapon is, there's a cone so killere with shorter weapons can have same lunge.

That makes more sense but still looks like she should have missed, you know if she missed. The only thing im worried about is dodging the knife, not about some dumb invisible cone that i can't depict, That interferes when i should vault or use Dead Hard.

I know, happens to me. A good way to look at it is the lunge in terms of time and distance, act like they are a step in front of their weapon. The doctor to me looks like his lunge is op, but that could be due to the length of his weapon.

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

The cones are the exact same for all killers. No exception.
The range is eventually different, due the fact it's tied to movement speed.

You guys are just spreading myths, because your perception is wrong due to the fact you play against smaller killers.

Hold up hold up hold up.

No, because not every killer has the exact same lunge and size.

Simply putting an opinion out there with being opened to being proven wrong. Not spreading myths, but being open to a discussion. There's a difference mate.

That being said, due to the cone, if positioned properly through a window, it can hit the survivor regardless of the Killer. That's cleared up.

And it's facts that some Killers weapons don't even touch a survivor but register as a hit. Because of the cone. So yes, it's present, and seems to just raise brows as to how a hit registers when you aren't touched by the weapon. It's called crappy coding if you ask me.

Edit: Yeah, because hit boxes were so broken they implemented a cone instead.

How I play Pig is that after hooking someone, for their first time, mind you, I go away, hoping to set off my Make Your Choice or just simply find another survivor. I don't usually tunnel, but if I find them again, I down them and put the trap on their head. I then leave them alone because they're obviously not going to do generators due to the trap being on their head, they're more focused on getting it off. Plus the survivor with the trap on their head is more than likely injured due to their mind being set on removing the trap.
She needs her add-ons though. I feel under-powered when I play her without any of them.
Though I do agree with how gross her lunge is. Sometimes I question how I even hit the survivor in the first place. It makes me feel bad until I realize they were looping me for god knows how long.

xd

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

The cones are the exact same for all killers. No exception.
The range is eventually different, due the fact it's tied to movement speed.

You guys are just spreading myths, because your perception is wrong due to the fact you play against smaller killers.

Hold up hold up hold up.

No, because not every killer has the exact same lunge and size.

Simply putting an opinion out there with being opened to being proven wrong. Not spreading myths, but being open to a discussion. There's a difference mate.

That being said, due to the cone, if positioned properly through a window, it can hit the survivor regardless of the Killer. That's cleared up.

And it's facts that some Killers weapons don't even touch a survivor but register as a hit. Because of the cone. So yes, it's present, and seems to just raise brows as to how a hit registers when you aren't touched by the weapon. It's called crappy coding if you ask me.

Edit: Yeah, because hit boxes were so broken they implemented a cone instead.

It's not crappy coding, it's just game mecanics.
The lunge range is directly tied to the base movement speed of the killer.
Pig/Trapper/Freddy/Billy/LF/Doctor/Wraith/MM EW2 do share the exact same lunge. It's just facts, and has been stated countless times by devs now, and is easily verified in game. Just get used to the usual range of the killers, rather than your perceptions. And yes, being small in this game is deceptive, which is a good advantage to have as a killer such as pig or Freddy.
Tho you can keep spreading myths such as "Pig has longer lunge" or "Freddy has more range and a bigger cone" as much as you want, it won't change the facts.

Now you're changing subject and adding "you can get hit through windows", which no one denied, since windows are... windows, and no walls. So yeah, you can get hit through them. It's not ######### up, it's a... window, you know ?

I'll just give the details about how a hit works just to stop the myth spreading, as explained countless times by devs :
When you start hitting with a killer, there's a detection cone, that detects survivor in the area of effect. If it finds a target, it locks the camera on that person, and 0,3s later, if the target is still there, the hit do connect (which is why you can miss a chainsaw rush on a sprint-bursting survivor).
The cone is the same width for every killers, and the exact same length.
That being said, the LUNGE RANGE is different depending on the killer, and the distance you perform by lunging is directly tied to your DEFAULT movement speed.
Myers EW1 do have a very poor lunge, then Nurse, then Hag/Huntress have slightly lower lunge distance due to their lower base movement speed, and then, all the other killers do have the same lunge range and cone (with EW3 myers having slightly more reach)

Not sure how it can be clearer than this.

Nobody is disagreeing with you. Not once did anybody say you're wrong...

I'm simply stating what was an opinionated subjective statement, nobody is spreading myths in this thread period.

Also, it is frustrating when you're decently over the window and get a lucky down because the killer managed to hit properly because they timed the cone-hit right.

Jeez, this is a discussion. People are just discussing things, nobody spreading anything but stating what they think. Glad you're there to clear it all up with your very poor attitude.

I.e Hag's cone would be then smaller due to her lunge. Her cone wouldn't hit as far as it would for The Pig/Trapper/etc because of her movement speed. How is it the same length if her lunge is smaller? That means her cone would hit outside of her given lunge and the same range as the base movement speed. That's mathematically incorrect.

@SasukeKun said:

@Runiver said:

@SasukeKun said:

@Runiver said:

@SasukeKun said:

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@Runiver said:

@Brady said:

@PhantomMask20763 said:
I'm a pig main and I normally go for someone without a trap however if the person with the trap is the only one around it if I see them on a box I'll down them and hook them itll just give me more time as for the lunge she's just shorter than the other killers making it feel like a long lunge when it's not, same thing with freddy too everyone says he has a long lunge but hes just short ya know

Prove me wrong if I am, but I think the hit-cone for The Pig and Freddy are actually bigger. It's not the lunge itself, but the actual cone.

What is the cone to-say? Well, because of the lovely peer-to-peer servers and hitboxes being total crap in this game, the devs implemented a cone for the killers basic attack. Meaning, if you're inside of this cone when they attack is initiated, it will count as a hit.

Opinionated, but for some reason, The Pig and Freddy are always able to hit outside of a window MUCH FURTHER than The Nurse or Trapper. I'm always hit after a vault and downed with these characters, evidently if they were another Killer I wouldn't of because of the cone. They would've hit the wall of the window. It's frustrating and annoying, you should only be able to hit mid-vault, not after when the vault has been performed. It seems like the opportunity is only given to The Pig or Freddy unless you're just standing directly infront of the window.

The cones are the exact same for all killers. No exception.
The range is eventually different, due the fact it's tied to movement speed.

You guys are just spreading myths, because your perception is wrong due to the fact you play against smaller killers.

Hold up hold up hold up.

No, because not every killer has the exact same lunge and size.

Simply putting an opinion out there with being opened to being proven wrong. Not spreading myths, but being open to a discussion. There's a difference mate.

That being said, due to the cone, if positioned properly through a window, it can hit the survivor regardless of the Killer. That's cleared up.

And it's facts that some Killers weapons don't even touch a survivor but register as a hit. Because of the cone. So yes, it's present, and seems to just raise brows as to how a hit registers when you aren't touched by the weapon. It's called crappy coding if you ask me.

Edit: Yeah, because hit boxes were so broken they implemented a cone instead.

It's not crappy coding, it's just game mecanics.
The lunge range is directly tied to the base movement speed of the killer.
Pig/Trapper/Freddy/Billy/LF/Doctor/Wraith/MM EW2 do share the exact same lunge. It's just facts, and has been stated countless times by devs now, and is easily verified in game. Just get used to the usual range of the killers, rather than your perceptions. And yes, being small in this game is deceptive, which is a good advantage to have as a killer such as pig or Freddy.
Tho you can keep spreading myths such as "Pig has longer lunge" or "Freddy has more range and a bigger cone" as much as you want, it won't change the facts.

Now you're changing subject and adding "you can get hit through windows", which no one denied, since windows are... windows, and no walls. So yeah, you can get hit through them. It's not ######### up, it's a... window, you know ?

I'll just give the details about how a hit works just to stop the myth spreading, as explained countless times by devs :
When you start hitting with a killer, there's a detection cone, that detects survivor in the area of effect. If it finds a target, it locks the camera on that person, and 0,3s later, if the target is still there, the hit do connect (which is why you can miss a chainsaw rush on a sprint-bursting survivor).
The cone is the same width for every killers, and the exact same length.
That being said, the LUNGE RANGE is different depending on the killer, and the distance you perform by lunging is directly tied to your DEFAULT movement speed.
Myers EW1 do have a very poor lunge, then Nurse, then Hag/Huntress have slightly lower lunge distance due to their lower base movement speed, and then, all the other killers do have the same lunge range and cone (with EW3 myers having slightly more reach)

Not sure how it can be clearer than this.

Nobody is disagreeing with you. Not once did anybody say you're wrong...

I'm simply stating what was an opinionated subjective statement, nobody is spreading myths in this thread period.

Also, it is frustrating when you're decently over the window and get a lucky down because the killer managed to hit properly because they timed the cone-hit right.

Jeez, this is a discussion. People are just discussing things, nobody spreading anything but stating what they think. Glad you're there to clear it all up with your very poor attitude.

I.e Hag's cone would be then smaller due to her lunge. Her cone wouldn't hit as far as it would for The Pig/Trapper/etc because of her movement speed. How is it the same length if her lunge is smaller? That means her cone would hit outside of her given lunge and the same range as the base movement speed. That's mathematically incorrect.

The cone size is unrelated to the range of the lunge, simply.
Hag has a shorter lunge, but the same cone.
Basically, she cannot reach as far as some other killers, but the width of the cone and its length once the hit happens are the same. It's just that she doesn't dash as far as others while holding M1, basically.

This is why a Hag can hit you as far as other killers when behind a windows, but cannot perform a long enough lunge if you're in movement, in some cases

All in all, if she has some invisible cone hitting you, its unfair

All in all, she deserves the same lunge than other killers, so it's not unfair.
If you come this way, David should be bigger than other survivors, and you should be able to hit them from further away. Would you consider it fair ?
No. Of course not. Because you like David.

Guess what ? People like Pig too.

This isn't about David.

But this is the exact same issue : hitboxes, animations and size.
"It doesn't look like I want, so it should be different".
This is just not a smart request and you know it.

Look you're missing the point. Nobody said anything about "it doesn't look like i want" it's about fairness in order to know when to dodge something, not give a killer this extended invisible hit box because shes small

Look like you missed the point : she has the same hitbox than any other killer, and reducing it wouldn't do any good. Just get used to it and the regular killer range.

She's bang on mid tier. Her lunge is the same as all killers her and freddy are just smaller as everyone. She can tunnel just like every other killer having a trap on your head doesn't make you immune to this if you're hurt you're probably still the easiest target. The only change she needs is to raise her camera when she's crouched as she can't see over tall grass everything else about her is pretty much perfect. She has obvious counters like sprint burst(Everyone's counter except Billy really), very situational/standard add on's (Situational 'unique' ones and the standard apply X effect to survivor) and lack luster prestige gear . To those who complain she can just camp a hook while crouched go do gens instead same situation as Insidious Leatherface except alot less threatening.