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So you can, theoretically, make every unhook a safe unhook now?
If you equip new BT, does it guarantee safe unhooks?
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Yes
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Unless they grab you
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Safe for the person being unhooked anyway, assuming you get them unhooked before being downed or grabbed (as others before me already pointed out). It is possible, if you already wounded and have a bottled of the Styptic Agent, to get a safe rescue for you both (assuming no grabs). It would give you both the Borrowed Time effect briefly.
By in large it is a good change and I hope it makes it through the play test and is implemented. I think the general rule of thumb should go across the board on lots of Perks (both Killer and Survivor) which keys on Terror Radius. I think flat range is better.
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No, there are still scenarios in which unhook will be unsafe no matter what.
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I mean you can still hit the unhooker, the BT timer is shorter if you wait it out, you can still grab the unhooker, pyramid cage still negates BT....
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Unless they grab you
What's a grab?
I only know shoulder pats :^)
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With tier III and probably tier II yes, with BT tier I probably not if the Killer is patient.
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Safe in regards to scoring events, yes, but not in regards to actual gameplay.
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I think only Huntress waiting outside TR can make them unsafe now. Maybe Trickster but would be difficult?
Edit: Nurse or Spirit coming straight back also?
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No, BT applies regardless of killers being nearby. You could be sniping with Huntress from the other side of the map and still trigger the deepwound effect.
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You're doing a good job unhooking there.
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what about ghostface and tier 1 myers?
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Borrowed Time no longer has a terror radius requirement.
It will trigger regardless of where any Killer is.
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Old Bt was to 95% a guaranteed unhook, too. The other 5% were most of the time bc someone wanted to force a ds or gave up and that will not change with the update.
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I hella misread that then. I thought it didnt require the terror radius but would trigger if the killer was within the radius regardless. My bad
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Thought that too, seems like BT is going to be a better anti-tunnel perk than DS is currently. Which is great, tbh.
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Delighted with this change - been asking for this for a while now. A bit disappointed by the decrease to activation time though- basements are getting more and more deadly which is bitter-sweet as a 50:50 player
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Well BT is finally countering some BS strats, besides now the endurance timer is shorter and easier to deal with.
I see no issues with it whatsoever.
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Honestly, they should add the condition to safe unhooks so that borrowed time doesn't guarantee it. Make it so if the survivor is hit, regardless of going into dying or mending state, before the time limit for a safe unhook, it doesn't count.
Encourage smart plays, without punishing the victim of farming.
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This basically.
BT is great for protecting the unhooked survivor, no question there. But it shouldn't also award the rescuer with 'Safe Hook Rescue' bonus bloodpoints when they still got hit.
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You have a higher chance hitting a hatchet over the whole map than grabbing a survivor.
So hook bombing is pretty save now.
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It's not tunneling if they were unhooked in your face before you were given a chance to leave. That's capitalizing on a survivors awful play.
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If you can make any hook a safe unhook, should it be used as a factor in MMR calculation?
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In that case, it's not camping. It's tunneling if you go against the freshly rescued. That's not mutually exclusive with capitalizing with a mistake of the opposing team.
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Hit or down the unhooker that's what i do. Most times its not the survivor on the hooks fault. I would know at red farming is surprisingly common and i hate it when im unhooked while a ghostface is proxycamping with stealth to redown me. My solo teammate didnt know he was there so not their fault. Not my fault either for being unhooked. New borrowed shows itself in edge cases like these. Also the famous insidious bubba waiting to redown the unhooked.
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That 3 second change isnt going to affect basements too much. In fact, that 3 second change will only be noticable during the EGC, when a killer wants people to be dead on hook asap. But in the basement? Not really, you can reach quite far away from the basement within 12 seconds, in 90% of the cases you'll either find a pallet or a window you can extend the chase with to get away as far from the basement as possible.
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Remember that BT bodyblocking is still a thing, and that grabs are still broken.
Also, remember that the excuse that the devs gave was that it was "too intricate" for survivors. That is easily the most coddling I have ever seen in a video game. You would have to have almost no knowledge of the game in order to not understand TR.
The only thing that makes it excusable is that it nerfs stealthcamping (Insidious Bubba, anyone?), even though they could have just made it trigger based on proximity instead of TR.
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Yes, if you count survivors getting downed after 13 seconds while you walk away with your 'safe unhook' points.
I see this as a nerf to BT, since it really only makes the perk stronger against Freddy.
I'm okay with it though. I feel that 'second chance perks' should have less active time to force survivors to use them more skillfully and give killers more counterplay.
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Depends on what you mean.
In terms of getting the extra 500 points after an unhook, yes. It's a safe unhook.
In terms of the person not being able to be tunneled, no. It's not a safe unhook. The killer can still tunnel.
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No, it's not tunneling. If you hook the survivor and they are unhooked in your face before you have the chance to leave, you can NOT call it tunneling. What do you want the killer to do?
Please learn what tunneling is. Clearly you don't know, and that's the issue with "tunneling" these days. Survivors piss and moan about it and don't actually know what it is.
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Whoever's fault it is isn't the killers problem. They aren't there to babysit survivors. Survivors are a team. Why is the killer expected to not take an advantage handed to them on a silver platter by the survivors?
Let me know when a survivor spawns in next to a killers hex totem and doesn't destroy it just to be "fair" to the killer. Spoiler: Wouldn't happen. Nor should it.
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I don't want the killer to do anything other then what they want to do. If they want to go for the unhooker or the rescuer is their choice. I do either according to the circumstances. The fact that they were unhooked in my face doesn't change the fact that I went after the same person, if I choose to do so. Even more so when the rescuer is readily available. You're simply avoiding to call a spade a spade due to the stigma attached to tunneling as a tactic.
I know perfectly well what tunneling is. Trying to straw man me just invalidates your argument even further.
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You clearly don't know what tunneling is. Tunneling is when the killer spends an entire match, ignoring generators, ignoring ALL other survivors under any circumstance to go after one person until they are dead. Bar none. Going after the person who was unhooked in your face isn't tunneling. Don't change the rules just to make it convenient for you. It's not a good look.
Also learn what a strawman is.
EDIT: I don't actually care about tunneling. Nor do I care about the stigma. I really don't give a crap. If I can get you out early, you go early. It's in my favor and goes toward my objective. It is however NOT FAIR to criticize the killer because as a survivor you made a stupid play and unhooked someone in their face. As such, the survivor victimized by this? It's up to them to understand. Not to expect the killer to be empathetic. It's not tunneling.
Sit.
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No man, you have no idea what tunneling means.
If an ######### survivor takes another off the hook as soon as I turn around, I punish such idiocy by knocking out the rescued person by denying points for a safe unhook they wouldn't deserve, and then go hunting for the rescuer
This morning playing survivor I was farmed by an idiot who took me off the hook as soon as the killer moved away a few meters. Of course, he immediately came back, knocked me out. I didn't blame him in the least, I blamed the great genius who could wait for the killer to walk away like he was doing The worst thing that DBD can offer are the main survivors who create such situations, totally illogical and insecure, and then blame a killer who would simply do the most logical thing to do.
You don't know what tunneling means. Would punishing such a big mistake by denying progress be suffering from tunnel vision?
And with this I am not saying that tunneling does not exist, but have the brain to distinguish situations born from the incompetence between survivors and situations born from the behavior of a killer who focuses only and solely on a single survivor, ignoring everything else, to take him out with often meager effects at the expense of that player whose only crime is to exist
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