When killers camp you for outplaying them
So just had a match against a myers that was going well for me until the killer decided to go full on toxic because I outplayed them. First I was able to wiggle out of my first down before being hooked. The next thing I did was sabo a hook to save my teammate from being hooked and it worked. I then began trying to divert the killer's attention from other survivors by placing myself in plain sight and running in the direction of the killer. When the killer finally started chasing me again I ran them for a long time. I think it was 2 generators worth of time. The killer missed several hit attempts on me but finally got me down. It was my first hook so I wasn't worried until the killer decided to face camp me and presume to repeatedly hit me on the hook. What was my crime? Playing the game and doing well at it. Not a single t-bag the entire time that I can remember. I just did what any team player would do which is try to help my team and win. 2 of my teammates attempted to save me but the campy killer wouldn't allow it. Sure enough I died on my first hook all because the killer started to play super toxic after hooking me.
I have had this happen to me several times before and have seen it happen to others as well. Its one thing to camp which is toxic enough and ruins the game for people but to hit me on the hook over and over because you're pissed that someone outplayed you for half the match is pathetic. If you're that soft skinned and have to resort to face camping and hitting someone on the hook repeatedly then this isn't the game for you.
So suggestion time. I think if killers hit you on the hook when no other survivors are around (to avoid the argument of the killer was just trying to hit someone else and not you) they should be penalized. The more they do it the more penalty they receive. It should affect their BPs and pips. I'm not sure if this would be enough to deter killers playing like this so I am open to ideas as well for anyone that wants to give their suggestions on the matter too.
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Or you could just not let it affect you
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You miss the point. I wasn't the one being toxic and certainly didn't do anything to deserve it. The problem with killers who do this is its going to deter people from playing this game. I can handle it because its happened to me enough to where I just see them as sore losers who can't be a good sport about it. Others may just decide they don't want to play a game where they're being face camped and smacked on a hook all the time. This kind of attitude in the game ruins the fun for everyone which is my biggest problem with this. No one wants to encounter a toxic killer just because they played the game.
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It's just a game, why take it so seriously. I mean, perhaps it's a bit of BM, but in many ways it's a compliment.
And, if you did indeed make the game hell for the killer, sabos, 2 gen loop, wiggled off, can you blame them for trying to make sure you die? At that point the game was lost, you wanted their attention and they gave it to you.
Either way, I don't think we need to be punishing anyone for playing a game within the rules. Even if we don't always enjoy their methods.
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I don't blame any killer for trying to make sure someone who's basically carrying the match gets eliminated from it but there are better less toxic ways of doing that. Its one thing to patrol the area around them and another to just stand in front of them and hit them on the hook over and over. THAT is a problem and in my opinion is unsportsmanlike. Certain things in this game need to have more things present to discourage it from happening. Camping, tunneling, slugging... it all ruins the game.
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I agree it is a bit unsportsmanlike. However, I'm a strong believer in allowing everyone to play how they choose.
And I am much more of a carrot than a stick person. Can't punish people for playing within the rules, but better incentives for not doing these things would be more my style.
I don't think you can compare repeatedly hitting on the hook with camping, tunneling or slugging tho.
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Just had another match where the killer decided to hit me on the hook multiple times all 3 hooks. What did I do? I tried to flashlight save someone ONE TIME the entire match. I didn't even get the blind off but because I actually tried to save someone from being hooked the killer thought it was Ok for them to hit me on the hook knowing I can't do anything about it. Instead of realizing I was just trying to save my team mate they instead got mad and wanted to be toxic about it. I wish people would just play the game and stop being so toxic. It would be so much better if people would stop being like this in game.
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Ah well if we’re going to penalise hitting the hooked person then we might as well punish survivors for teabagging. Seems ridiculous doesn’t it?
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I just take it as a compliment and move on.
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Nothing makes me happier than getting camped after a good run, i sometimes even change my name to "camp = DC" to encourage them to do it and make them waste even more time :D
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Not at all. Teabagging doesn't interact with the killer the same way actually hitting survivors on the hook does. A killer can chase me for doing it. I can't do anything on the hook when they hit me.
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Can’t do much about teabagging if they’re at the exit gates. Best you can do in that situation is to just force them out. Plus both are done for the same reason. It’s usually just a middle finger to the opposite side. That wasn’t my point anyway. My point is that punishing players for ‘toxic’ behaviours is not a very smart thing to do.
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You go toxic, Killer goes toxic.
Cause and effect.
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So outplaying is now toxic?
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I personally think its funny to be teabagged by survivors. Yea the intent is different with each person but honestly I think a lot of people that do it mean no harm by it. Its funny to teabag with a ghost face for example or when you teabag a killer from a distance and they shake their character no at you. Those instances are just harmless fun and I'm sure both sides are getting a good laugh from it. As far as hitting on the hook, the only context I see there is a killer being toxic because you played the game better than they wanted you to.
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I suppose the proper thing for me to have done in any of the situations I explained above was just to let the killer hook someone or catch me so as to not be toxic. Did you even read what I said? If you think anything I described above is toxic then I don't know what you consider not to be toxic.
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That's all well and good but it typically isn't just harmless fun is it? I basically never see someone tea bag unless it's at an exit gate which is as much of a middle finger to the other side as hitting the hooked person. Teabagging at the gates is basically telling the killer "Haha I've escaped because you suck! Gg ez, baby killer". I'm desensitized to it but I know it can be upsetting for many after a rough game. Particularly, people who are learning killer. Toxic behaviours should not be banned unless they cause genuine harm e.g. Saying slurs in the post game chat and things of that nature.
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I mean you denied him hooks points so he in return denied you points. Also what were ranks? Were they even?
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Tbagging with ghostface is very different from tbagging in most games. It's usually done at the exit gates after the killer had very bad match, or during the match when the killer is not performing well. People know it annoys many players and do it regardless, or do it for that exact reason. Not very likely that "both sides are getting a good laugh out of it" when the gesture is often used to say "f you"
Sometimes survivors teabag from a distance and I shake them no, as you described. I don't consider it funny, but it's more like "No, I'm not gonna chase you now. Go hold M1", and think they aren't very fun to play against.
I definitely agree that slashing on hook is clearly bm and online games don't need more unsportsmanlike behavior. But then you defend tbagging, which is also unnecessary bm.
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When survivors do well I play harder. It's called trying to win a game, I know survivors consider that unfair, I just don't care.
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Hate to say it but the killers are allowd to do whatever they want (sometimes ill just chainsaw a survivor on hook cause I like to pretend I'm perpareing Bubbas famous chilli 🤐) no Bm even intend. I'd just suggest running DS or teaming with other survivors who run perks like BT face camping is counterable as frustrating as it is. Quick unhook perks like leader and desperate measures can also make a world of difference in these situations provided the setups right lol.
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You rekt him so he got his revenge.
Simple concept.
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Jerks exists and you cant eradicate toxicity from the game, from both side. Trolls are fun, Entitlement no. If you are a correre player and doesnt like It you can ignore it, ore you can be toxic vs who provoke it and try to umiliate them. Also camp, tunnel, slug and gen rush are play style. Bad unsolved design problems that ruin the game for me.
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You know, being hit on the hook doesn't actually hurt you? Strange that you think politeness should be enforced with penalties in a game where teabagging and ranting at the killer in afterchat are the norm. If you force people to be polite, they're not actually being polite, just doing what forced to do.
Does being hit on hook hurt more than being told to ######### or uninstall because you're trash? People have said those to me and weren't penalized.
Players act like ######### on the internet, it's just that simple. Laugh at how much you triggered him and move on.
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Just make them hitting you on the hook bounce off like it does when you hit other objects in the world. Don't think I ever once said bad mouthing killers in post game chat shouldn't have consequences but ok? A character bouncing up and down interacting with nothing is funny to me and it is not always used in a toxic way. I've had matches where the killer actually got mad people didn't teabag them so not everyone gets salty over it. When a killer hits a survivor on the hook though the only reason I can see for them doing that is to be a jerk to that person. Like I said above the simple solution is just have the killer's M1 bounce off the hooked survivor so they look silly doing it. Its the fact that it sounds like an M1 hit and causes the survivor to react with noise that makes it all the more toxic.
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Honestly if there's one outstanding survivor I'll play dirty to get them out of the match.
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