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Sadly the trickster is weak
When people said to me "legion is weak" i always refused to belive because he could hurt people easily (it was boring mechanic but not weak, pretty strong actually), so the new killer comes out and i grind 9k shards only to see that he is weaker than the twins (they are good playing scummy but thats it).
I just feel like that the knifes take too long to down and if in clouse encounter i just could hit the surv and thats it, the laceration meter doesnt even stays up when changing health state, this kind of thing makes me wonder why not play huntress?
The speed is far too low for his letality and his hitbox (as many other 110 killers) makes him loopable in some map debris that isnt even made to be a loop, and as always he has the problem of the long range killers so he cant throw anything in these loops and hit.
Just increase speed to 115 or a little bit less 113 just to "fix" the loss of speed from the hitbox on the debris.
Plataform: ps4, (yeah its almost a decent killer when aiming using a mouse but on console we cant do this right, the same way we cant use blight super curves and oni too).
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I feel like the key to balancing Trickster is making Main Event actually powerful
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Okay let me explain this simply. M1 actually downs them slower. You can chain health states together since he has zero cooldown in between throws. Meaning you can chain them to death in a matter of seconds. M1 actually hinders you if you are close to them. You never want to m1 unless you absolutely have to. Do I really have to teach you guys how to use this man right? If it gets people to stop thinking he is weak I will...
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Main event won't change his complete inability to inflict damage at tiles. Any tile that isn't a low middle one like the boxes on mcmillan is an instant win for the survivor.
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It's not an instant win. Mostly any high tiles hurt most range killers. That's why you don't chase at them. You can still put some work in no problem on pretty much any tile if you know how to play the tile correctly.
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Do you only M1 when they are close to a loop?
My problem with Trickzy is that I cannot play around jungle gyms and high loops.
Yes, I want you to teach me because I have been having rough games and I really like this Killer.
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even if main event was powerfull i dont think people will use his knifes as it is, most of the time you could hit and if that doesnt happen the maximum of knifes you can get in is 3 before the break the line of sight.
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I only m1 if they are going to vault a long wall or an l and t if I know I can't damage a health state. I prefer not to chase at those tiles though. Trickster excels in finding people out of position. I will most likely throw some games together with commentary since I can't stream it at the moment. To teach people how to play him right.
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i know that we get stuck in the hit animation and they get the speed boost but when you do the first laceration on console you can chain 3 knifes more at max and then until you are able to put in the rest of the knifes you lose more time than normal chasing. His power is pretty gimmick like the more hits you get in the more you want to down using his power and in some loops you just cant. But this is my console experience
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same
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thx, post here after.
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Thanks. I would watch that.
There is a severe shortage of anyone playing Trickster, streamer or otherwise. And when they do, it's hardly instructional.
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It's maybe because you are console, but on pc you can chain together health states, and rip people to shreds in a matter of seconds. I know fps is a big thing on console esp with the controller, and with his slight recoil being a problem on console. In general he is not a bad killer he is low B. You can down people with knives in any loop, but try actually not chasing at strong tiles with him. Believe me it's efficient that way. That's why with deathslinger you do not want to chase at strong tiles, because deathslinger is also hurt by strong tiles. Huntress is also hurt by strong tiles.
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I will try to make it today. I'll post it on this thread and open a new thread about it.
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Trickster > Legion
New Trickster's power is more consistent than Legion's. Legion should be no more than a low C-tier because of how inconsistent their power is. Trickster is at least able to counterloop some tiles. Legion is a basic M1 killer outclassed by Myers. Slowdown ability? Sure. But don't expect to hit everyone across the map with your power. Myers can one-hit all survivors for 60 seconds with easier setting up. Plus, his t3 at least gives him a bigger lunge and faster vault speed. Legion isn't much compared to him. Keep in mind you can only down survivors by M1ing them. Plague does Legion's job better, and Doc has better slowdown and tracking abilities. That's why I think Legion is the weakest killer in the game.
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I was streaming him on twitch, but twitch kinda shut me down for a little bit, because some troll spam reported my channel after he was salty about getting destroyed, and twitch hasn't even looked at my appeal, but I was pretty instructional, but I'll be back on that whenever they actually look at my appeal or when the date is over on days. I don't mind making a video though. I'll try to make it today for you all.
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the thing i have with huntress and DL is that i can 4k with them and not with the trickester, they just need to hit once and thats it, most of the time people will leave the loop and they have better POV because of the height helping in some tiles. The trickster i have to land 7 knifes and yeah the recoil and blindness because of his swinging arms are real
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His recoil is a lot easier to control pn pc, but also they need to get rid of his side to side throws. It's just not consistent, but I guess that's why they give him so many knives also. I will try to make the video for you today bro, so you can get the idea of how to play him correctly. I think it will open a lot of people's eyes to how strong he is.
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The patch didn't do much sadly. His power is still one of the worst next to Pig ambush.. Its really pitiful how you literally can't do anything around loops with knives and you are forced to chase with a 110% speed, and even if you manage to hit with some knives the amount required to injure is a joke.
Even with the "melodious murder" addon the amount of knives required feels too much and an april fools joke. So the trickster basekit is totally non viable.
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i cant even process what are you saying bro, the plague is weaker than legion on console by far, the mending gives us more time to chase and the instinct shows survivors. with the plague they just dont heal and gen rush and she is too visible in loops making legion easier to mindgame.
as i said having to land 7 throwables in console is harder than in pc so maybe to you the trickster is better.
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One of many other things. His power in general would still be weak. He also needs to be more unique from huntress.
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Sorry, I didn't realize you played on console. I'm just giving my perspective on killers based on how good they are on PC.
Plague is still better than Legion overall though, but your opinion I guess.
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If you don't chase at them you lose. The majority of tiles on any outdoor map are high walls. Some maps like Suffocation pit can have 3 or 4 linked. Then theres shack and main buildings. If you don't chase at these you'll have on chases. If the survivor has even the slightest level of camera control at even an L/T wall, you are not landing more than 2 or 3 knives as Trickster.
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This is why you control a 3 gen on suffocation, and don't chase in the middle. You literally never want to chase middle on any killer unless you are playing nurse or spirit. Both sides are pretty weak against trickster. Shack is the only strong tile combined on both sides. You literally never want to chase middle. If you catch them on a gen on either side you can down them before they even get to the middle. If you would like information. I will try and get suffocation pit for the games I will throw together for video today. This is exactly why I said you don't chase at those tiles. If survivors try to lean you towards though tiles. A lot of times survivors will follow you so you can chase them, because they want a chase, and that's when you catch them out of position. It's a big mindgame that's what it is.
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Sounds to me that your playing Legion wrong. Once you get used to it you can judge distance pretty well with killer instinct and if you feel you can't make it you just end your power walk over to them and use your power that has now refreshed.
Out of the m1 killers Legion is actually one of the better ones. Solid B tier.
Most people just insist of running to a healthy survivor on the edge of their terror radius to then fatigue in front of them and start chasing a healthy survivor normally.
Watch Raging Ryuga. He shows how to play them pretty well
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Thats 1 map out of many. Have you played him on any of the farm maps or Crotus Prenn yet? He might as well not even exist. They could band aid this by making him 115 and letting him brute force pallets easier but I'd rather see a better power altogether.
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I have played him on all the maps even red forest since they re enabled it yesterday multiple times, and I don't have a problem at all. Disturbed ward actually isn't even that bad on him. Main building isn't even that strong against him. If we wanna go off of stats, and say how much time I have put into him. If I'm looking at steam stats #7 global for lacerations on trickster sitting at 2.6k so I'm not a baby trickster, and have played him a lot since release. I'm not talking to talk. I'm prob the one guy that has put the most time into him on the forums. So yes I will make a video to show I'm not all talk.
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Then I don't want to sound like a cocky ass. But you aren't playing good survivors. You simply cannot go down to Trickster on most of these high wall tiles or main buildings. I've ran him for 4 gens myself, and I've been ran for 4 gens myself. And I land my hits.
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That's exactly how I play him. I also do this: hit a survivor with Frenzy, no one in my radius despite me running far away? I'll run back to them and cancel my Frenzy. On a gen? I'll try to stop them.
His power is still weak. He doesn't have any anti-loop, just a basic M1 killer.
Wraith can at least mindgame, has decent mobility, and has decent stealth, making him one of the better M1 killers. Clown also has incredible anti-loop and decent chase power. Trapper, while just barely better than Legion, has the ability to snowball pretty well if you get lucky.
Of course I can get 4ks with Legion like the average killer, but he's still very lacking.
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It's because you aren't playing him right either. I go against 4 mans all the time good one's too. Early morning times is when I usually play, and that's when gen rush is in full meta CST. If you are getting ran for 4 gens then you are not playing killer correctly in general. If you run a trickster for 4 gens then the guy doesn't know what he is doing either. That's a fact.
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No worries. If you make a post or whatever when your ready I will find it :)
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Its hard but one of good aspects of trickster is that worse survivors will often frequently animation lock themselves for you to throw many knives at them. Like they'll drop pallet and you can just go chip chip chip chip. they vault a window, chip chip chip, re-vault back, chip chip chip. Its that better survivor players do not really do that, they just abuse fact he moves at 96%(previously 92%) and if its like jungle gym, you can just loop him 5-6 times and he can't really throw any knives. when you do throw pallet, he hits with few knives, but you can run forward and by the time he catches up. your laceration meter will deplete.
I'd say choice between M1 and not M1 is whether you want spend 8-20 knives, survivor gains less distance but you reload more at lockers.
Dowsey is pretty good Trickster. you can watch 1 hour of his gameplay here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKk1Ny80Vzg
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Great Idea just never chase except at the 2 low loops in every map and if you get the game just don't play great advice
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Yeah there still alot of problems with trickster from my view. Its also alot harder for console players but usually they won't make a change for just console. I would just like to have main event to activated whenever we want similar to onis demon dash.
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Yep weakest killer in the game currently.
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It would be such a massive buff to him if they made the laceration metre never decay.
That's the biggest change he needs, along with main event being actually useful.
With these changes he could be a good killer.
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???? The game map is really good for trickster lol.
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everyone says that if the laceration dont deplete he will 99 survs, but i dont see this going as bad as ghostaface would be. Also its dumb that he cant use Play with your Food because every time you throw you lose tokens(bruh). I was testing and even play with your food tier 1 with 1 token is already a great improvement like for pressure and positioning to throw.
Changing his speed would make him more reliable the way it is now makes me feel carried by the perks
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Yes, he is. And, honestly, that doesn't surprise me.
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You kinda spitting facts tho ngl people are talking about his viability like he can’t even get 1 kill. If your aim is in the top percentile like mine is, 4k-3k with hatch every game is supremely easy even against decent god squads (if I want to sweat). Make a vid and show people wrong :)
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My aim isn't even as good as it use to be anymore. My hands are kind of destroyed from when I did construction, so my aim isn't even the best, but I do just fine with him. I'm working on the video right now. Should most likely be done with it tomorrow. :)
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I like playing Trickster because I have bad aim and it makes me feel better that I can play a relaxing ranged killer that's easier for me.
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You can afford to make mistakes with him. I have 90% bottle toss accuracy with clown, but that's different than lets say trickster. He is like the lmg gun of dbd lol. So it's not easy to have the best accuracy with him. He is casual, simple, and strong in the right hands.
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