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If you suicide on hook against facecampers you can't complain
If you suicide on hook you are literally just giving the facecamper what they want are you are making them win so you have no right to complain.
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Why not? It’s a very unpleasant experience. I also have every right to complain.
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I mean you made the facecamper win you literally helped them by suiciding. You are more annoying than the actual facecamper and have no right to complain about them facecamping when you made them win because of it. If they always win by facecamping cuase people suicide why would they ever stop.
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When im being camped i just wait on the hook and struggle so my teammates can finish all of the gens
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Agreed.
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Oh, absolutely.
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If you can't handle 2 minutes of waiting to help your teammates, then this game isn't for you. You have the right to complain, you don't have the right to handicap your team, that's just selfish.
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I don’t want to waste my time on getting camped though.
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Two WHOLE minutes.
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I mean, suiciding against a facecamper isn't someone's tacit approval of facecamping.
Yea, they are actively hindering their team by suiciding, but they doesn't mean they aren't allowed to complain that facecamping isn't fun to go against.
This is like saying someone who throws away a gross sandwich they bought can't complain that the sandwich was gross. "You didn't eat the whole sandwich, you have no right to complain."
Now, complaining doesn't make BHVR/the sandwich shop obligated to respond to their complaints. It doesn't even mean the sandwich is unequivocally gross and needs changing.
But people are allowed to complain, civilly, about an aspect of the video game/sandwich that they find unenjoyable.
Especially on here.
Forums are intended for discourse. If people are breaking the rules they should get warned and then banned, if they aren't they should be free to say their piece.
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Yes. Two minutes where I could be doing something productive actually.
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If people didn't complain this forum would have no posts on it lol.
But honestly I just wish more solos actually understood the universal sign of waving your arms to show you're being camped so the others should just do gens.
To many times people still try and save. Plus you get solos doing it for no reason and then complaining that they got left on the hook to die by the team.
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Like wait in survivor queue for 10+ minutes
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Any kind of suiciding that has negative effect on your teammtes is really dick move to do.
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It's more like buying a sandwich, telling your friend it was gross, then proceeding to buy 5 more sandwiches from the same guy each and every day.
If you suicide against camping killers, they don't learn that they're playing a style that's "bad" or "toxic" they learn that what they are doing works, because it leads to Survivors killing themselves before any gens can be done. That makes it much more likely that the killer will continue to play in the same way, because it is proven to be effective.
If however you stay in the game and give your team the time to make progress on the objectives, the killer loses and learns that the camping playstyle is unlikely to lead to killing more than one, and will abandon it.
Of course there will be some outliers, who just love the look of a body on a hook so much that nothing will make them give up their 1 person art show, but they are the minority of cases.
TL:DR Survivors teach killers which playstyles work based on their actions. Suiciding against camping killers rewards them and makes it more likely they will continue to camp.
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Yeah but its like even though you dislike it you keep saying to the sandwich makers "good job keep it up let me buy another". I think people have every right to complain about facecamping if they stay in the game so your team can escape but if you are suiciding while getting facecamped then you dont have a valid point when you are the reason people facecamp.
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If i get face camped early in the match then ######### him ill ######### you out of your points for face camping like a ######### im not here to get taunted by the killer
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People are allowed to do that.
Yea, the theoretical sandwich buying person looks like a goofball for doing it, but looking like a goofball isn't bannable on these forums or a crime in most places.
I don't condone hook suicide against facecamping myself, but if someone does suicide and doesn't like facecamping, I think they should be free to explain their position. Afterwards you can then debate the point(s) they're making.
You're free to disagree with them, but I don't think their actions automatically invalidate any possible arguments they could make.
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As long as my teammates are being productive I'll hang out on the hook while I'm camped. It's when they're not doing gens that I see no point in staying. There's always one player too that without BT tries to go for an unsafe unhook as soon as I enter second state getting one or both of us killed. If they get hooked they immediately suicide because they don't want to be camped next. 🙄
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Its more than two minutes
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Depends.
If the Team is doing Gens, I agree. But if the team is crouching next to the hook, thinking the Killer will go away after camping for 1 minute and 40 seconds, I think that suiciding against facecampers is more than valid. The Gens are not being worked on anyways and at least I dont have to see them crouching around, waiting for the Killer to leave.
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If they're face camping they don't care about winning or blood points. Therefore hanging in there won't teach them anything.
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I don't know why you bothered to comment that since it's blatantly wrong.
https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Hooks
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Turn on Struggle Macro, watch YouTube, and help the team do better by doing so @_@
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And you're giving them a good reason to camp. The cycle continues.
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That’s not the universal meaning anymore though? In all of my games, people will wave their arms to signal that nobody is going for the save. I haven’t seen somebody wave their arms to warn of camping in years. They normally either try to escape / die or they’ll do nothing at all.
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Get a stopwatch and prove us wrong then. FFS...
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People are allowed to do it but it still boggles me how they can complain about something that they are contributing too. You might aswell get an insiduos basement camping bubba to start complaining about facecamping.
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The camping killer WANTS you to sacrifice yourself on the hook, so that they can stop camping you, and go camp someone else.
You are still helping your team while you struggle on the hook, you are occupying the killers time, and allowing the other survivors to complete the objective.
By killing yourself, you are ENABLING the killer in their camping strategy, and justifying their behaviour.
If you #########, the other survivors aren't going to blame the killer, they're going to blame you.
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because mathematically, if the killer waits you out, and the survs are all on gens, the rest of them should get out for free at the cost of you sitting there
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I don't suicide in order to punish the killer but at the same time why should you not suicide? Why do you care if the other people do gens? What does that give you?
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Unfortunately, not much, just a few struggle points. But this is something I would want them to work on.
I would perhaps add in some bonus BPs for survivors, especially as survivors tend to on average leave a game with less BP than the killer anyway.
- Give all survivors a game completion bonus based on how many survivors escape. This wouldn't be huge, because you shouldn't HAVE to stay until the game is over if you die in the first few minutes, but it would be a consolation prize if you did. Something like 1 escape +250BP, 2 escapes +500BP, 3 escapes +750BP and all four +1000BP. This would be a bonus that can exceed the cap of 8000 per category, because these wouldn't slot into any particular category.
- Give a bonus to survivors on the hook every time a generator is completed. This would be the major bonus, to reward players for maintaining that struggle. If a gen is completed while you are on the hook, you get a bonus +1000 bloodpoints. If a 2nd gen is completed, you get another +600, and a 3rd (which would be impressive but not impossible with the right timing) +400. So +2000 max. These would slot into the Objective category, because as a hooked and camped survivor, that's what you're most likely missing out on. If you're not missing out on Objective points and you've already maxed them, being camped is not a huge loss.
Either or both of these would promote more team play, and provide consolation for survivors who are eliminated early in the game.
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Why do you refurn the shopping cart rather than leaving it in the parking lot?
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What is this? Victim shaming DbD edition? Facecamper gonna facecamp win or lose.
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I just struggle until I die or get rescued. I figure if they want to waste their time standing there or proxy camping - me struggling gives my team time to do a gen or two. Usually results in 2-3 people escaping depending on how far along the match was going.
I also like to wait it out so I can laugh at the BP the killer gets compared to those who survive/exit. Camping is a choice/tactic - just not a very fruitful one when it comes to score.
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The best way to punishing facecampers is just wait and struggle until your bar reaches out, otherwise you are turning the game into a nightmare for your other teammates, time and even miliseconds are important in dbd, and makin the killer wait for your whole sacrifice time is... a lot of time. Its even enough time to complete gens to make if your team plays logically and do the different gens in this free time. If you just suicide and give him a "win", those type of guys will also reappears on higher ranks. So just struggle until you are dead on time. If you don't want to encounter with facecampers, simply just struggle so the guys cant rank up faster. If you suicide, you give him enough time to do other objectives and he can gain pips, so can rank up faster. Which means your chances are getting higher encountering facecampers on higher ranks.
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Have you ever participated in a team activity?
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I don’t care if I win or lose, or really about random strangers when I play solo. I do care however about a waste of time and low bps. If I’m just being used as bait against an Insidious Bubba, I’m suiciding and moving on.
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I'd like it if you stuck around on the hook to deny the facecamper as much as humanly possible, but at the end of the day, if you decide you actually wanna play the game you paid for, i'm not gonna blame you.
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This is a forum, so people have the right to complain about something they enjoy, even if you think they don't. Let's not try to police which kind of threads people are allowed to make if they would like to talk about something you might think differently about. You are also free to think differently. This is a discussion board.
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