To All Killers Who Hate SWF
I agree. It’s awful and alot of SWF are toxic and play like dickweasels. But you all need to realize something. They are terrible outside of their little buddy group. If they aren’t on comms and feeding each other constant information that boosts their low skill higher then they would lose more often. That’s why a lot of them want to boost solo, cause they can’t play with their SWF team all the time and now they want solo to be basically SWF as well. I’ve just come to accept SWF is a part of the game and that a majority of survivors can’t play outside it. They may all get away, click their little flashlights at you and tbag but remember, they are nothing without 3 other people backing them up. Kinda like a school bully who has his goons on his back the whole time.
Edit: I’m not saying everyone who SWFs is toxic or anything. Just the ones who bully and such are and are usually terrible outside of their little group. I’ve met lots of SWF who are cool, stomp me to the ground, but act with grace and sportsmanship.
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"Dickweasels". I'm stealing that.
I play solo, I don't have a choice. Playing as a survivor solo is difficult but I assumed that it was how the game was intended to be played so I enjoy it. The more I learn how many people play SWF the more proud of myself I feel for doing my own thing and winning a match or helping others to do the same. I don't particularly like being paired up with SWF teams for the reasons you provided. Killer vs SWF is also not the most fun for very obvious reasons.
So yeah, if any of you happen to see the name "Miketheratguy" on the field, know that I'm just a scrappy new player trying to do his best on his own without the aid of three other dickweasels.
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I think I have actually played against you lol. I’ve always been solo q so I’ve learned to adapt to it. A lot of people play this game right at the start SWF so they have a lot of their friends holding their hand and covering for their mistakes. The minute they try solo they get mad cause the other people aren’t always around them swarming. That’s why everyone wants to buff solo so bad. Cause they can’t play otherwise.
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I dont hate people because of game. I am destroying them too. SWF is better than solos but most of SWF teams also not very good. I have not problem with that. But sometimes i am facing with really good teams and they makes game so hard for me.
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I think a lot of people want to boost solo because solo players are just bad, period.
With the current matchmaking even if those solo people had information, they would still be squatting down, letting their teammates go to phase 2, not learning how to loop in general and most definitely NOT touching a generator.
Not everyone who plays with friends plays for the communication advantage, they play because of the reliability that they will help with the objective during the match. Whether it is by buying time for them to do gens or actually do gens and stay on task when they haven't been found the entire match.
Don't pigeonhole a group of people simply because those are the people that you encounter. Just like I don't think everyone who camps is necessarily doing it because they lack skill, even though there are those who do it because it is much easier to sit at the hook than chase someone.
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If they do that wouldnt the bad skill teammates still just cling to their SWF? And a lot of people are still wanting to boost Solo cause they can’t play otherwise without SWF holding their hand. So they just want to make a SWF 2.
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If I lost, you probably played against me. XD Seriously though, I'm slowly getting better. I don't completely suck, I've had a fair number of escapes and top scores and so forth. But I know I'm new, and I accept my losses with humility.
You make really good points about the SWF experience. I had this the first day I played, and no more. Basically my buddy bought the game for me and he showed me the basic mechanics of how to play. He's not great, he'd just played before so he helped to show me things like "this is the hatch, here are some good things to try, this is what the rift is," etc. Beyond that we played for a few hours with what I assume were mixtures of two other randoms. I guess we were sort of SWF but not really because neither of us are experts nor do we have any interest in the "rush, gloat, and teabag" #########. We're good sports. We are aware of our positions in the fog.
So yeah, I can only imagine how different this game would be if I had not just that one buddy not just those few hours, but THREE other buddies, every time I play, perfecting our little routines and all that. I have to be honest, while I think I'd like that at first I also think that it would make the game boring pretty quickly. I don't like to get creamed, I don't want extreme uphill challenges, but I don't want cakewalks either. I play more for fun, and I enjoyed the fact that my one buddy would be yelling "OH GOD OH #########" and I'd have to ask him what was happening, only to find out when I'd go to see and the killer would knock ME on my ass next.
Idunno, I play to have fun. I don't care if I win. All I hope for is a game that lasts more than five minutes in which I can get enough done to earn some points, maybe get some experience, learn a few things. I'm happy doing this on my own even if it IS harder and I occasionally get taunted for my relative lack of expertise. And man, given the descriptions that some of you have regarding SWF teams, I can definitely see why killer mains are fed up with them.
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I think you need a break, my dude. Literally 90% of your recent posts have a feeling of exhaustion to them, like playing tha gams is trying your patience.
The disparity between SWF and solo Survivor is what's holding this game back so much because any buffs to Killer hurt solo play far more than SWF. Not every solo q player is secretly some toxic sweaty SWF squad mate salty they can't win or something because they're flying solo. Please try to understand that closing the gap between solo and SWF will allow Killers to be buffed without the worry of making another group's experience worse.
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and how would they help with the objective unless you communicate. That’s the major point of SWF, comms. “I’m on gen so I can’t go for the save.” “Gen almost done, keep running the Killer.” Etc etc. that’s not being honest if you’re saying SWF don’t run because of the communication advantage. Otherwise, it’s just solo with your friends.
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I want to Buff Solo because then you could, in turn, buff killer. Buffing killer without buffing Solo just makes solo more miserable.
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I’m rank 5 in survivor and I have no problems with Solo. It’s more of a challenge and actually like a horror game like the game is suppose to be. When people want solo buffed they just want it to where they are in the power role again like SWF has. Do I have bad teammates from time to time? Sure. But a lot of high tankers know what they are doing. I see no problem with Solo. Survivor is hella easy, and add SWF to it it’s even easier. Solo Q is just slightly harder. I think people want to buff solo q cause killer is slightly more of a threat and that makes them upset.
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If they buff Solo they won’t buff Killer. Look at what they did when they nerfed DS. Next patch, huge nerfs to Twins and other Killers. Lucky Break massive buff etc. They nerf one thing in the killers favor then they massively buff something for survivor. It’s not going to be even when they buff Solo.
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I don’t have this huge issue with garbage players that everyone seems to have in solo. I have bad teammates from time to time but for the most part they are pretty decent. And even the bad ones can occupy the killers time while everyone just does gens.
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You are missing the point.
You are saying that those cocky swf players you face are bad outside of swf. Which isn't entirely true.
Go watch many of the survivor main streamers who are playing with their friends WITHOUT comms. They are still cocky. They just know how to play the game, and do not need communication to do so.
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I enjoy the solo game, even if some of my losses sometimes feel cheap. I like the idea of four random strangers having to work together toward a common goal. I like not being paired with cliques of dickhole friends.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I see no need for solo buffs. The difficulty of playing by myself with no means of actual communication may make things more difficult than SWF, which means that it's going to take longer to learn to excel at the game, but I'm fine with that. I don't want my hand held. A more fair and balanced matchmaking system wouldn't hurt though...
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I’m fine with better matchmaking. Though honestly when they did that test awhile back I had an awful experience. Got baby killers and baby survivors, or professional killers mixed with baby survivors. It was a mess.
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I'm playing as the survivors and the killers. I think this game is intended for playing solo. No need to SWF, otherwise many perks for the link to become meaningless. Besides, it's unfair to the killer and in such matches win almost unreal.
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I don't mind going against SWFs - I find them slightly more challenging but easier to exploit their altruism :)
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Are you referring to the new method they tried a couple months back? That was just before I began playing and all that I heard about it was negative. This is a bit off topic but did they say what they actually changed? My understanding is that the ranks are based on time played which is ridiculous because I'm constantly up against people who are far, FAR from new at this game. I'm also frequently matched with players that are 10 or more ranks better than myself.
Also, real quick: I see the term "baby" a lot. "Baby Dwight" and so forth. What does that specifically mean? I'm assuming that it's synonymous with "new" but I'm wondering what the criteria is, how newness is gauged.
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I think I was like you at first. I played solo the first time mainly because I was nervous to play with other. I was able to get to purple ranks on my own from playing solo. I would say I was pretty decent.
Overtime I met some kind people and enjoyed playing with them. I'm fact I would say I gotten better by being in solo. By playing with my better friends I was able to learn from them and do better. The skills that I learned in swf I can carry to solo anytime and do well. I wouldn't say I had my hand held either. I probably would have learned at the same time if I had stayed solo.
I guess my point is regardless If I'm in solo or swf your skill will be the same and you get better by just playing more not if your solo or swf.
P.s I'm not trying to encourage or discourage you to play in a swf. To each his own but just to say I get what your saying.
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Excellent take on this.
(Also, to anyone who took offense to this, you're not a bad survivor if you SWF in a chill way.)
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Swf in a chill way? What do you mean by that?
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I mean like uhh... no sweat, y'know? Comms are fine IMO, but I mean OoO, 4-man Brand New Parts, etc.
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Clicky clicky flashlights, tbagging,etc.
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Probably just meant "sportsmanlike" SWF, as opposed to obnoxious and cheap.
That's fine, I get what you're saying as well. I've played along with a couple of "online friends" that I made by asking around here on the forum, but there's no Discord talk or anything like that. Just other people to join up with who will help fill the queue and develop trust with, that kind of thing. Was your SWF experience like that or did you mean the whole teamwork / Discord chat type of thing? I ask because I wonder what most people think of when they say SWF.
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I feel like flashlight macros and teabagging are only douchey when you do it at the exit gates, since those can actually be tactics to anger the killer to make them continue chasing you.
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Ok I think I understand. Is it a bad thing to be sweaty?
I didn't find people through the forums. I play on Xbox and there is looking for group section on it and that'd where I found them. We talk through party chat. I'm not sure about discord though I have never tried that.
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I see. I play on the PC but I'm not into social media and so forth so I don't know if there's a way to find a specific type of fellow player on Steam or what. After a few days of playing the game by myself and meeting some real ######### I figured that I'd come here and make a thread seeking other solo, sportsmanlike players who just want to play for fun and aren't the toxic type.
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Oh no, definitely not. However, it is unbalanced IMO.
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Well good luck on your search to find good people.
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I feel like you're a nice fella who deserves good friends to play with. I really hope you meet some nice people to play with.
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Knowing that they may be bad individually does nothing to improve the experience of playing that match unfortunately. If anything that would make you feel even worse for losing to people that didn't even win because they were good.
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It helps the rage honestly. I’m not mad at nice SWF but it’s never the nice ones that make me rage. It’s the one who tbag, click their flashlights, then send me messages after the match
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LOL thanks, I did meet a few. Most of the people who befriended me have already moved on and forgotten or don't play at the same times. A couple of them were really decent though, one's like me and just wants to have fun and the other is extremely skilled and has been helping to tutor me with various bits of advice and so forth.
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Well that's the thing I'm not mad at survivors for playing SWF, I'm mad at the devs for not properly balancing around SWF. I just want to play a fair match and seeing as the game isn't balanced around SWF, that isn't a fair match.
The toxic survivors you mentioned are what is truly irritating.
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It's very nice of you to say that, thank you. I have anxiety issues and pretty much only every played one other online game (GTA V) when I was with friends. I play games to relax and have fun, I'm not interested in cheapness and aggressive competition and winning at all costs and trash talking, etc etc etc. So finding people online who have the same mindset is kind of difficult. I was actually just commenting in the "giving thumbs up" thread that I've been doing it in the vain hope that somehow it makes a difference and wishing that players had a consistently reliable way of really showing respect and appreciation for one another.
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I had a four man SWF team running all the meta perks last night. They would unhook in my face, swarm me, and everything. All had borrowed time, all had flashlights, Unbreakable, the works. I actually had friends over watching me and they were in disbelief at how they were acting. SWF allows survivors to make mistake after mistake and never have to be punished for it. Because they have their buddies to pick up their mistakes. Killers never have that option. One mistake in the match can snowball and make you lose completely. If they buff solo to be a copycat of SWF then solos can now be toxic and do this together. I seriously don’t want solo buffed.
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I feel the same. This game constantly feels like I’m in a tournament esports kinda thing as Killer. Granted this only happens at night. Daytime matches and such are much more chill so I don’t have to play in a panic the whole time. But it just sucks that for me the game is unplayable as Killer at night.
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A lot of that they can get away with because of the myriad of second chance perks that exist. Imagine how that scenario would have played out without BT's, any exhaustion perks, Unbreakable etc etc
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Yes, I agree. I've seen some posts here and there saying that the user hopes for the day when this game is tournament / esport ready and I think "why"? It's not competitive enough? It's not already filled with enough jackassery? It doesn't already consist of thousands of people insulting each other? Is it a rule that all online games have to be aggressive races in which winning is the only thing that matters and it must come at all costs, including cheats and hacks?
I mean to each their own, the way I like to play doesn't have to be the way that everyone else plays. It's just a strange universe to me. I've mentioned before that I've been playing games for 40 years, which is true (my sister and I got an Atari for Christmas in 1982). While there have always been competitive games and sometimes things could get tense between myself and my friends, at the end of the day the point of playing was to have fun, enjoy ourselves. That's been the case for pretty much all my life, even when I began gaming on the PC. I never got behind the "master race" crap because I spent my life on the other side, but beyond that - and constantly having to explain that yes, I choose to play with a controller even on the PC - PC gaming doesn't seem much different. It's where I do all my gaming now, aside from the Switch Lite (and this game is surprisingly competent on that device).
Playing online though? It's a whole different world. Everyone's angry. Everyone is complaining about something. Most of the players seem young and aggressive. People spend their entire days and weeks mastering something then feel the need to mock other players whose responsibilities don't allow them the same amount of free time in their lives. Just anger, anger, anger. Racing. Aggression. Tension. The frothing NEED to win. It's like "does playing games just to be happy and have a fun time really make me THAT old-fashioned"?
Anyway off of my soapbox. I type too much. I'll keep in mind that daytime play is a lot more relaxed. By the way, the more I look at your name the more I believe that we have, in fact, happened to match up online. Do you main as a specific killer? I'd like to go back through my recordings and see if I can spot you.
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Not to mention a lot of toxic SWF teams legit gain the system by purposefully getting a low rank teammate so they can get low rank killers. I already think SWF is cheating but when they do this it’s a whole another level of cheating. If 3 are red rank and the last teammate is green or higher it matches based on the lowest rank survivor. Here is an example. Just happened to me too. Typical clicky clicky flashlight and hook swarming the minute someone in their team goes down.
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Mhm, I agree. I also have social anxiety myself, which is why I play solo queue in DBD and main killer. It's hard to make good friends these days :/
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First, sorry to hear about your social anxiety. I understand. I have GAD and it's a #########.
I actually find it very interesting that you prefer to play as a killer. For me, playing as a killer actually makes my anxiety worse because (A) they're harder to learn, thus I'm more prone to making stupid mistakes and generally not being good, and (B) as the one enemy, ALL eyes are on me. If everyone escapes, it's my fault. I'm singled out as an idiot. At least when I play as a survivor I can blend in, lol.
I don't know how this game works in terms of two people on opposing sides meeting up for a match (or if there even is such a possibility in this game) but if there IS such a way, or you'd just plain like to play with another player who just wants to have a fun time and isn't going to aggro and trash talk and all that juvenile crap, definitely feel free to look me up.
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Yeah this is completely ######### ridiculous. I mentioned a few days ago that I was up against red ranks while at rank 16 and people were astounded. Now I'm seeing a rank 17 with a straight-up rank ONE. A 16 point differential on a 20 point scale. That is just patently absurd. There is NO reason why the matchmaking system should work this way, be able to be exploited in this way. And screw the clickers who spam their flashlights, they remind me of those kids who would use laser pointers to shine into people's windows at night when they first became commonly available. I've said it before and I'll say it over and over until I die: I will never understand the mentality of cheating, hacking, spamming, deliberate obnoxiousness, etc., to win a game. Why even play? Why is winning a game so important when one isn't even interested in the game as it's intended to be played?
-Love the Jurassic Park poster though. One of my favorite movies of all time.
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I love Jurassic Park. Lol
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It's my perennial summer movie. Caught it in the theater on a stormy summer afternoon in 1993, packed theater, while living in a hotel because our house had caught on fire. The year of my first kiss, the year I discovered Mortal Kombat, the year of Jurassic Park and every childhood toy of the 80s melting into worthless puddles of plastic. One of the most memorable years of my life, and Jurassic Park is smack in the middle of it.
Just read the book on the film's 25th anniversary. I was quite surprised that I didn't like it nearly as much.
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I’m a fan of the book and movie
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The book's good for what it is, and I probably would have liked it more if I'd read it first, but parts of it really seemed to drag to me. That river ride with Grant and the kids felt like it lasted forever, and when the end of the book came it seemed kind of abrupt compared to, say, the beginning chapters dealing with the little girl and the campys.
One unintentionally hilarious thing came out of it though: Because (for reasons I do not know) Spielberg switched the ages of Lex and Tim, I went from a movie in which the girl was a 12 year-old computer hacker to a book in which the same girl was a small child who kept whining "I'M HUUUNNNNNGRY!!!" I've seen the movie so many times that whenever I read little Lex's lines I couldn't get teenage actress out of my head, which made the book version of the character seem mentally disabled.
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Thanks and oh- I'm sorry to hear that.
I actually main killer because I like relying on myself and only myself. I'm pretty introverted so I prefer doing things alone. Also, I tend to screw up a lot in solo queue, and I get anxious because of that. Tbh I can honestly sympathize with you there though.
And yeah, you can play against each other in customs like 1v1ing! Also, I'm almost always down to SWF, haven't done that in years. What rank are you though? I don't care if you're good or bad at the game, but there may be situations where if I'm a higher rank (red or purple ranks) and you're a lower rank (like yellow or brown ranks) then we might get red rank killers which might be difficult for you.
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Thanks. I think it's fair to say that people with anxiety issues can understand each other.
Well, I AM new, but not brand-spanking new. I've only had the game a month but I'm not completely helpless or anything, I've played probably around 400 matches and have raised my handful of favorite survivors to around 40. The ranks cool off and go back down (larger numbers) when you don't play for a bit right? The best rank I recall getting to before a vacation last week was about 12, whereas now I'm probably back to 20. A few hours of playing though and I'd likely be back down to the teens.
What is a 1v1 like? Is it the same set of objectives that occur when a full crowd boils down to 1v1, or are the requirements different by default? Also how does one actually intentionally play an SWF game, do we just befriend each other and call each other to our games? If so I don't know how it works if one friend is a survivor and the other is a killer.
Lol here I am saying that I'm not BRAND new yet I'm asking questions that probably make it look like this is my first day. I'm not a GREAT player, but I'm certainly not a terrible one. I do alright I think. Lots more to go but I can handle myself, I guess. Just not as a killer, apparently. I feel bad for the people I got a 4K against last week. I have no clue how that even happened, lol.
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You can't go one forum post without hating on SWF and Twitch streamers can you? Christ.
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