Idea for dead hard

I honestly feel you about dead hard. With the new change to DS, dead hard has seem to taken its place as a must have for any and every survivor. Chasing down really good survivors just to have them use dead hard and reset all the time you just spent closing the gap in the chase, is very frustrating. But to have to deal with this scenario almost every single match, and also on every survivor, just get boring and annoying.

The fact that it causes exhaustion is fair. But the fact a survivor can use it on command and not worry about finding a vault spot or something to trigger their speed perk, is a bit OP. My idea of a change would just to give it tokens, then survivors wouldn't be able to abuse it as much as possible. Either give it a set limit at the start, or they gain a charge if they take a protection hit or something similar.

It's not that big of a deal on inexperienced survivors, but we all know how cruel it can be on those that can perfectly loop every map. And when the really good survivors have looped you for awhile and use DH, suddenly all that time you spent is just wasted entirely. Your only choice is to commit and sacrifice more generator pressure, or leave them and chase someone else. But by the time you find them again their DH is ready to use again and your back to square one.

Against killers that can end chases quickly like Deathslinger, Nurse, or Spirit, you won't really be able to escape their chase unless they're mediocre or unless you get lucky and they lose you. I say it should require you to escape a chase at least once in order to activate it.

There are currently two meta survivor perks i kind of dislike. Iron will and dead hard. I guess it subjective, but i think these perks change everything. I think deadhard is as oppresive, in a sense, as old DS, as killer you have to respect it. Almost all good killers wait with the last m1 on a injured survivor unless they are open field or would deadhard against some obstacle. You have to respect it, even if they dont have the perk equipped. Good survivors use dead hard for distance most of the time, so as a m1 killer you have to catch the survivor 3 times (first time to injure, 2nd time you would catch the survivor he uses dh for distance to get to a vault/pallet/loop and 3rd time you down)

Balance wise, i think the game would be better with a weaker Deadhard (and probably nerfed exhaustion perks as a whole) and a nerfed iron will, of course other things would need to be fine tuned as well, but that would never happen anyway and is just my subjective opinion.

If the killer tunnels me the entire game, right off the hook, I don't get to use my perk! GUESS THEY PLAYED BETTER THAN ME.

Dead Hard isn't used every game, stop.

If Dead Hard was only used by bad survivors, no one would have a problem with the perk, as they'd know how to actually bait it.

Dead Hard is used by good survivors to extend loops, which is fine, as other Exhaustion perks give more distance without the requirement of being injured.

Can people stop making these boring Dead Hard threads, please?

Show me the data to back it up and then we'll talk.

so you're saying DH should be nerfed just because at least one survivor uses it every match???

DH is not fine. When used to get distance, there's no counterplay to it, the "wait for the dead hard" argument is ridiculous, this only works with potato Survivors, against the good ones, of course I'm going to wait for them to Dead Hard to that pallet or window, what else can I do? Nothing. If I'm not using a Killer which can avoid this(Huntress, Deathslinger for example), I just need to accept being outplayed because some dude pressed a button on their keyboard.

People who use DH for avoiding hits instead of distance(sometimes you can't choose but 90% of the time you can) are just using it wrong.

I have 3k hours in this game and I play Killer a lot, and the average of people using Dead Hard in my matches is like 2.5 up to 3. Just like Ruin was nerfed because it was overused in most of the matches but that was because it was the only reliable perks for regressing gens (I do prefer the new Ruin), the case for DH is not the same, there's a lot of second chance perks for them to recover from their mistakes.

DH is a old perk that just don't belong anymore to the current gameplay, in that time maybe, but not anymore.

Using Dead Hard for distance to reach that pallet/window has no counterplay. That is my point here.

"Unless they use it perfectly lined up with a loop, in which case it's quite a bit more than just 'they pressed a button'." Yeah sure it's very hard to just move your character to where you want to go and press a button right? Very skillfull right? It's not "quite a bit more", it's NOTHING.

"Ohhhh ######### he will get me before I reach this pallet..... Oooh I have DH :)" They can do any mistake but in the end get away because a perk allows them to do so.

This is a fact, Dead Hard has no counterplay and most people escape chases(including me because I can't resist to it too) just because of this perk.

Thx, so you're automatically wrong by trying to pass off anecdotal data as completely true.

Got the data for you, your argument is gone.

About 10%.

Dead Hard is used just about as often as Lithe in my experience.

Stop saying every game, you’re still wrong.

Um, can you read? I said in my experience.

And statistically, Dead Hard is not used in every game. Saying that I’m wrong and you’re right does not make it true.

DH is fine as it is. You dont want to see all the survivors running SB, trust me. You would really quickly reconsider your idea.