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Bubba and Face camping
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I just got into a game and it was a Leather face, my teammate went down and he went into the basement. The leather face was camping at the top of the basement for literally no reason, we were at 5 gens and we were all solo queue, nobody was being toxic or annoying him, and he just face camps. The basement was in the main building at Badham. So he was standing at the top of the basement stairs and you can't do anything because he will just chainsaw you. I wanted to be a team player so I tried baiting his chainsaw to go save my teammate but I just die and he took me down in the basement.
Do you want to know what happened next? It's pretty obvious, we both died on first hook and depiped. I understand killers face camping in the endgame or near the end of the game and I have no problem with that, but its killers face camping when nothing has even happened. There is usually a way to save your teammate when a killer is face camping, like baiting a hit or body blocking with survivors. But there is no way to counter a Bubba face camping except do gens and watch your teammate die. Face camping in the endgame is okay and I don't have a problem with it, because it's a last resort and really the only way to win. It's just annoying having no way to counter a Bubba face camping, he needs counterplay when he is camping. It's a confirmed kill if a Bubba face camps, you can't do anything.
Now I'm not saying nerf his power into the ground, Bubba is fun to play as and against, and he is a fair killer for both sides, but he has that one huge flaw. I'm not sure how they can change him without changing his basic chainsaw aspect, but he just needs counterplay when he face camps.
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Sounds like you all had a rough match.
Not all bubbas are like that so I doubt he will have any counter or changes as it's not the character itself that's the problem its the player who's chosen him. Alot of players sigh with bubba or hill Billy because of how he's used.
The best advice I can give you, is your mate on the hook was probably telling you to stay away if he's running Kindred, sometimes things are how they are in matches and you can't control that. But you can counter him but not making any rash moves to put yourself at risk, everyone wants to try and save, but if the killer is standing on the stairs case you have absolutely no chance unless 2 of you are there. 1 being willing to go for a chase and the other for the save.
Sadly this kind of game play has become alot worse over the weeks. But isn't much you can really do about it. Just have to accept you can't save everyone. Sorry you had such a bad run.
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Bubba in general needs a rework, his power is insanely uncounterable if he is basement camping or just face camping. If you bt on you and the killer has Iri flesh then your still gonna die. Bubba has became very common to face for me, every time I hear his dumb chainsaw I wanna DC.
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I think Bubba's, more than any other killer, face camp and I still to this day have yet to find one player give me a reason as to why?? I have only been playing for a few months but I play a few hours every night and can say with no exaggeration that Bubba's are always the one's who face camp consistently from the start. I see trickster do it but most of them camp at the end game which is understandable. But Bubba's do it from the get up and if your on the hook it sucks. The only thing you can do is struggle for as long as you can and take up so much of the killers time that the other survivors are almost out the gate before he can get to the 2nd survivor. Maybe,,,, just maybe when this happens on a wide enough scale the 6 year children who play these types of Bubba's will get the hint and play the game straight up.
Had a match in Wreckers last night where a Bubba downed then walked half way across the map to hook in the dungeon. Of course, you guessed it, he he sat there. I saw this because I run Kindred and tried with others to bait him but he wasnt going for it. So we just went to the other side of the map and did gens. It is sad that I have to run Kindred all the time just to see who is going to camp from the start.
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They do it because it's s great way to win. If you come for the save your going down and if not it becomes a 3 v1 instead of a 4 v1. Only penalty is the points off for the emblem so Why wouldn't you camp?
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Wouldn't you get tired of doing that? This is a game, and like most games, is meant to be fun. Fun is NOT doing the something every time just to win. Plus, it is lazy game play. A 6 year old child can hook and then sit in front of the hook waiting for others to come. If you have that childlike "win or I will take my ball and go home" type mentality then good on ya. But hey whatever gets you off that's cool with me because I win a large majority of the games where Bubba's do this.
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I would very much get bored of it but it seems that the majority your running into don't. You seem to think I'm wrong and I'm not an expect on Bubba so I could very well be. if you don't think they do it for the easy win why do you think they do it?
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Other than just flat out winning,, I think some are just weird people who enjoy holding others hostage to see who will help and off them too honestly. But, hey you do you and I will do me that's the perfect part of this game.
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Your teammate went down near the basement. Mistake #1.
Mistake #2. You knew bubba was camping and you attempted a rescue.
The solution is dont go down near the basement. If bubba is camping then dont bother saving. Do gens and get out. Face camping only works if your team lets it. Which yours did.
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No, as ######### as it is, facecamping is allowed for a reason, even if it's at 5 gens.
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That's literally not the point, the point is that Bubba needs counterplay when he is face camping. Second, he had iron grasp, Agitation, and mad grit so he didn't go down right next to the basement, the killer planned to camp survivors. Lastly, You're not getting the point, you say "Do gens and get out". That's how I know you're a killer main because survivors aren't just going to let their teammates die, and its not as easy as "Do gens and get out".
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It is though. Do gens and get out. Same thing, like, if you one of the last two survivors left alive and your partner gets downed and slugged, leave him to bleed out. Chances are high that they're getting slug camped and if you go in for the heal, you're gonna die too. Don't do it. You're not obligated to help anyone and in many cases it's more of a hindrance anyways.
Also, I'm glad that you get supportive people on your threads. When I get irritated and make a thread complaining about Bubba, what does literally everyone say? "He's not even that good. Mid rank killer at best, just get better at loops"
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Nobody is going to leave their teammate on the ground, that's boring for the survivor on the ground and can get your team killed. If they are slugging and the killer finds you and your teammate your both dead, if the killer is good.
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There is a counter and you know it.
Do gens.
Yes, it's annoying and unlucky for the guy who is being face camped, but you can't deny the fact that maybe that was Bubba's strategy to win, like camping one guy to death before 3 gens done then kill others later or something. Or simply he liked that way or he was not confident enough to chase by foot.
Either way, doing gens is a valid counter and as long as the counter exists, nothing should change.
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If Bubba facecamps you've got two options really:
Option #1: Do gens, and then leave slowly as possible. (After opening the exit gate. Wait within safety's range. Waste his time as much as you can)
Option #2: If your teammates aren't doing gens, play super immersed. Don't even bother with generators. Just hide in lockers, and waste his time that way. They'll complain about how you're 'holding the game hostage', but if facecamping (at 5 gens!) is a 'strategy' then so is playing super immersed. You're just playing for the hatch.
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That's in an ideal world, which this certainly is not. I'm talking specifically about when there are only two people alive. Let the other guy bleed out. Waste as much of the killer's time as possible. Because what else are you gonna do? Against Myers? Die. Against Bubba? Die. Against Ghostface? Die. If you're injured and all out of healing, anyone will be able to down you. If they cared about playing the game, they wouldn't be trying to null out hatch as a strategy, because that's what that is. If someone is gonna be a dick, treat them in kind. It sucks for the person on the floor, but better than throwing yourself into the meat grinder.
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I had a similar match a couple of days ago. Insidious basement Bubba. Luckily the guy who went down first ran the killer for long enough for one gen to be done, and he also had Kindred, so the rest of us all saw the killer camp his ass on the basement stairs and disappear into Insidious. So you know what we did? We split up and hammered out the other four gens and then opened the gates.
That poor brave heroic Bill died but the rest of us got out and gave the Bubba well-deserved teabags on the way. Was it fun? Not really. Did anyone pip or get any bloodpoints? No. But it’s the only way to discourage face campers so I’m always gonna do it.
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I don’t even remember the last time I went up against a Bubba. Maybe it’s just my region but I encounter a certain set of killers and nothing more.
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If a bubba choose's you to be facecamped you should see it as an honor and a privilege.
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It's not fun or at all fair on the person on the hook but 'do gens and get out' is really the only counterplay to camping. It shouldn't be but unfortunately it is. Do gens and don't hand feed the killer the 4k. Facecampers rely on altruistic teams to get those 4ks.
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Bubba, Wraith and Spirit for me. I've been getting way more of them lately than I have over the last month. It's getting annoying, I seem to only encounter people who are cheap experts with them anymore (to the point that I honestly wonder how easy it is to cheat in this game). Whenever I hear the chainsaw or that ######### bell I roll my eyes and tense up for an annoying game. Then of course Spirit is Spirit, as always.
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I had a game recently in a 3 person swf + a random Jake. It was too quiet and we all wondered if maybe if was a stealth killer and then we wondered if it was an afk killer. We had 2 gens left and Jake goes down in basement. My friends and I were confused but carried on and I waited with kindred to see what was up. Jake gets hooked, I see bubba's aura and then I watch as he stands still in front of the hook and that aura disappears. RIP Jake but we got those last 2 gens done and noped the heck outta there. Not throwing myself in front of insidious basement bubba, not today.
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I just told you his counter play. You just want a simple solution that lets all 4 of you escape. Until you learn you will continue to die to face campers. You know why? Because over altruism kills. At r1 you dont see any face campers. Thats because experienced survivors punish bubba for face camping. If you stop feeding bubba hooks he wont get more than 1-2k, next to no bloodpoints and not even a safety pip. Eventually bubba will learn "this isnt working, maybe i should apply pressure?" But bubba isnt learning that because you keep making face camping work for him.
Also i play both but i am mostly a killer main. That makes my advice even better than if i was a survivor because i know how they think. Who better to tell you a killers weakness than a killer? I never face camp because the survivors i face dont fall for it. Running all perks for a basement build just means my plan will fail even harder if it doesnt work.
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