Tunneling and camping killers

@Sonzaishinai said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Sonzaishinai said:
Tunneling and gen rushing are one and the same thing
Getting the objective done as fast and efficient as possible

Gen rushing can be combated by putting pressure on the survivors
Tunneling can be combatted by taking a hit for a fellow player

Wrong. Tunneling is playing efficient. Gen rush is just bad game design.
Gens are done way to fast. If the survivor play well, the killer can't do crap about it.
If a survivor is a decent runner a single hit takes 30-40 seconds, so 2 hits plus carry to a hook is about the time it takes to do a gen ALONE without any toolbox or great checks.
If the survivor spread out and do gens all on their own, that's 3 gens done on the first hook.
The problem about gen rush is that the Devs choose to balance the game for low rank/low skill survivor, that mess around and can't "walk the killer" and can't do great skillchecks.
Every other game is balanced top down instead of bottom up.

I'm not saying it's balanced or not
Just saying it's the same thing
Rushing the gens is doing the objective fast and efficient

wether this is balanced or not was not my point

Your right, but I feel the need to point that out.
To many survivor mains use that as a lame excuse to call gen rush "fine" (balanced).

@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
The irony that killers say that looping is a unskillful thing to do, but yet they say tunnelling and camping is a strat.

Oh no the survivor is trying its best to not get hit and survivor (killer proceeds to keep chasing this survivor instead of breaking off to check gens and go for others) 3 gens pop on and now killer finally catches the survivor and then proceeds to camp them because of a stupid excuse of 3 gens going off when they could've avoided it by leaving that survivor.

But I do understand when a killer has no choice but to camp at the end when gates are open but some games you'll get those killers who are purposely coming in with intentions to camp ppl and when survivors realize they'll gen rush and leave and then killer will complain about gens going to fast.

You know what.... I'm done.

Camping is unskilled too, nobody claims different.
Tunneling is just how you choose your target, it has nothing to do with skill or unskill.

So you say its the killers fault that the game is designed the way that a survivor can loop for several gens? Yeah how could he dare chasing that survivor, he better uninstall

If you dont understand that this is exactly the core of the problem, then im done too

@Scgamecock86 said:
Wheres a mod to close this dumb ass thread

Yeah, let them close this one and another will pop up later today.

@Scgamecock86 said:
ReneAensland said:

@Scgamecock86 said:

Wheres a mod to close this dumb ass thread

Yeah, let them close this one and another will pop up later today.

You're* right 

Fixed<3

@ShrimpTwiggs said:
Instead of punishing killers for camping and tunneling, how about give them an incentive to play otherwise?

There already is incentive. It doesn't work. So now we need some visible punishment that isn't super harsh. A -100 BP flashed on the screen every 3-5 seconds is plenty. Tunneling sucks, but that's on the person who unhooked you to at least give you a chance. If I unhook someone I'm always prepped to take a hit for them because if they can't escape with me body blocking and the cd animation from the hit, they deserve to be hooked again.

@Master said:

@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
The irony that killers say that looping is a unskillful thing to do, but yet they say tunnelling and camping is a strat.

Oh no the survivor is trying its best to not get hit and survivor (killer proceeds to keep chasing this survivor instead of breaking off to check gens and go for others) 3 gens pop on and now killer finally catches the survivor and then proceeds to camp them because of a stupid excuse of 3 gens going off when they could've avoided it by leaving that survivor.

But I do understand when a killer has no choice but to camp at the end when gates are open but some games you'll get those killers who are purposely coming in with intentions to camp ppl and when survivors realize they'll gen rush and leave and then killer will complain about gens going to fast.

You know what.... I'm done.

Camping is unskilled too, nobody claims different.
Tunneling is just how you choose your target, it has nothing to do with skill or unskill.

So you say its the killers fault that the game is designed the way that a survivor can loop for several gens? Yeah how could he dare chasing that survivor, he better uninstall

If you dont understand that this is exactly the core of the problem, then im done too

Tunneling is technically unskilled in a way as well. The injured unhooked person is going to need time to heal. The person who unhooked isn't on a generator. By the time the other one heals you should get the healthy one down and be moving on to someone else. Instead, you chase the injured one and sure IF you get them you're closer to getting them out of the game, but you have 3 people on gens in the meantime as opposed to 2.

@WhateverIGuess said:

If you get looped however, the survivors are not completely ruining your game unlike the killers that camp. You have 3 other targets + you can mindgame on a lot of loops.

Yea, switch targets, let 'em heal and get looped by the next survivor.
And tell me again, why is looping NOT ruining the killers gameexperience?
Because it is so much fun to do the Benny Hill show, while gens pop?
Or should the killer enjoy playing pig-in-the-middle?

@WhateverIGuess said:

@Wolf74 said:

@WhateverIGuess said:

If you get looped however, the survivors are not completely ruining your game unlike the killers that camp. You have 3 other targets + you can mindgame on a lot of loops.

Yea, switch targets, let 'em heal and get looped by the next survivor.
And tell me again, why is looping NOT ruining the killers gameexperience?
Because it is so much fun to do the Benny Hill show, while gens pop?
Or should the killer enjoy playing pig-in-the-middle?

Applying map and gen pressure? Sorry, but if you get looped for more than 2 gens these days, you are pretty bad. Especially if you have hex ruin and everyone is using it.
Looping doesnt ruin the game experience because you have 3 other targets, and it's very likely that if you switch to someone else you will get them.
Camping? Wow, you're hanging on the hook able to do.... nothing.

Feel free to link your game footage. I would like to see you "pressure the map by switching targets".
Sorry, but most of what you are saying is just survivor memes.
Hex Ruin gets either powered through or cleansed in no time.
And looping will cause 3 gens to pop if the survivor play decent.
But yea, lets keep balancing around noob survivor, because that worked so well for the last 2 years.

@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
Master said:

@OGlilSPOOK20 said:

The irony that killers say that looping is a unskillful thing to do, but yet they say tunnelling and camping is a strat.

Oh no the survivor is trying its best to not get hit and survivor (killer proceeds to keep chasing this survivor instead of breaking off to check gens and go for others) 3 gens pop on and now killer finally catches the survivor and then proceeds to camp them because of a stupid excuse of 3 gens going off when they could've avoided it by leaving that survivor.

But I do understand when a killer has no choice but to camp at the end when gates are open but some games you'll get those killers who are purposely coming in with intentions to camp ppl and when survivors realize they'll gen rush and leave and then killer will complain about gens going to fast.

You know what.... I'm done.

Camping is unskilled too, nobody claims different.

Tunneling is just how you choose your target, it has nothing to do with skill or unskill.

So you say its the killers fault that the game is designed the way that a survivor can loop for several gens? Yeah how could he dare chasing that survivor, he better uninstall

If you dont understand that this is exactly the core of the problem, then im done too

I'm really saying that killers should be smart enough to understand the mechanics of the game and either try to end the chases quicker or just search for another target. Some killers should just break the pallets and stop wasting time trying to do ridiculous mindgames.

How do you end the chase quicker? I mean there is nothign you can do besides running in circles after the survivor, what is the killer supposed to do? Teleport through the wall? This is exactly the reason why nurse is so strong, she can bypass loops if the player is skilled enough.

Yeah yeah just break the pallet, I know. Just a pitty that there is enough stuff on the map to loop you until eternity and remember, 1 gen only takes 80 seconds and you need to hti the survivro twice (if no crutches)

@purebalance said:

@ReneAensland said:
Camping killers is STILL an issue even though they already "addressed the issue in the last patch."
Well guess what, it's obviously not enough since its still a problem and turning people off from a game like this where survivability is already minimal.
I'm killer main, but when I want to try my luck at being a survivor, encountering these players makes this game so bad, especially since they're rewarded for such terrible play style.

It's a trash play style.
Stop defending it.

Most players who camp either don't know about the change or don't care about the change. The emblem penalty is so small. I've gotten higher penalty laying traps as a hag than when I camped a Dying Light for a full hook just to see.

I know. The Emblem Penalty is a joke.

@WhateverIGuess said:

@Wolf74 said:

@WhateverIGuess said:

@Wolf74 said:

@WhateverIGuess said:

If you get looped however, the survivors are not completely ruining your game unlike the killers that camp. You have 3 other targets + you can mindgame on a lot of loops.

Yea, switch targets, let 'em heal and get looped by the next survivor.
And tell me again, why is looping NOT ruining the killers gameexperience?
Because it is so much fun to do the Benny Hill show, while gens pop?
Or should the killer enjoy playing pig-in-the-middle?

Applying map and gen pressure? Sorry, but if you get looped for more than 2 gens these days, you are pretty bad. Especially if you have hex ruin and everyone is using it.
Looping doesnt ruin the game experience because you have 3 other targets, and it's very likely that if you switch to someone else you will get them.
Camping? Wow, you're hanging on the hook able to do.... nothing.

Feel free to link your game footage. I would like to see you "pressure the map by switching targets".
Sorry, but most of what you are saying is just survivor memes.
Hex Ruin gets either powered through or cleansed in no time.
And looping will cause 3 gens to pop if the survivor play decent.
But yea, lets keep balancing around noob survivor, because that worked so well for the last 2 years.

When did I say that switching targets = map pressure? The killer meme you mentioned is "lol the other guy will loop me for 5 gens too, so whats the point"

If you get looped for 3 gens you're literal trash, sorry. Truth hurts. It was very much possible back then with more pallets an pallet vaccum but now it's not so easy and doesn't happen if the killer has half a braincell. But yeah of course it's the devs' fault, sorry.

If you can't do that, may YOU are not that good of a survivor.
But hey, reversed logic is always wrong, huh?
Do some basic calculations about chases and you will find out.
Of course that only works if you use realistic numbers, but in your world survivor get down in 10 seconds, right?
Still funny if people make things up, like non of us would play the game.

@WhateverIGuess said:

@Wolf74 said:

@WhateverIGuess said:

@Wolf74 said:

@WhateverIGuess said:

@Wolf74 said:

@WhateverIGuess said:

If you get looped however, the survivors are not completely ruining your game unlike the killers that camp. You have 3 other targets + you can mindgame on a lot of loops.

Yea, switch targets, let 'em heal and get looped by the next survivor.
And tell me again, why is looping NOT ruining the killers gameexperience?
Because it is so much fun to do the Benny Hill show, while gens pop?
Or should the killer enjoy playing pig-in-the-middle?

Applying map and gen pressure? Sorry, but if you get looped for more than 2 gens these days, you are pretty bad. Especially if you have hex ruin and everyone is using it.
Looping doesnt ruin the game experience because you have 3 other targets, and it's very likely that if you switch to someone else you will get them.
Camping? Wow, you're hanging on the hook able to do.... nothing.

Feel free to link your game footage. I would like to see you "pressure the map by switching targets".
Sorry, but most of what you are saying is just survivor memes.
Hex Ruin gets either powered through or cleansed in no time.
And looping will cause 3 gens to pop if the survivor play decent.
But yea, lets keep balancing around noob survivor, because that worked so well for the last 2 years.

When did I say that switching targets = map pressure? The killer meme you mentioned is "lol the other guy will loop me for 5 gens too, so whats the point"

If you get looped for 3 gens you're literal trash, sorry. Truth hurts. It was very much possible back then with more pallets an pallet vaccum but now it's not so easy and doesn't happen if the killer has half a braincell. But yeah of course it's the devs' fault, sorry.

If you can't do that, may YOU are not that good of a survivor.
But hey, reversed logic is always wrong, huh?
Do some basic calculations about chases and you will find out.
Of course that only works if you use realistic numbers, but in your world survivor get down in 10 seconds, right?
Still funny if people make things up, like non of us would play the game.

Playing at rank 1 has shown me a lot about killers, since it's fairly easy to rank-up, trash-tier killers go to rank 1 and then complain on the forums that survivors are too OP. If that's the case, why do I still get actually good killers that know how to apply map pressure and are equally as good in chases? They mindgame, they know their lunges, moonwalks, red light positioning, they don't respect pallets and so on. I'm in no way a killer main, but i'm practicing these mindgames and they work like a charm.

You can't prove that tunneling and camping isn't toxic and unhealthy. They are strategies, but they are one of the big reasons why a lot of people left / took a break and that's saying something.
I haven't seen many posts about people leaving because of looping, which is weird since this is a killer main centric forum.

You talk about prove, but call this a "killer main centric forum"; do you have any prove for that?

What kind of "prove" would you accept that "camping and tunneling" isn't "toxic"?
To me it is just playing efficient; go for the weaker target that goes down faster, eliminate targets asap, do not give free unhooks.
The problem is YOU see it as "toxic", because it affects YOU.

And I personally know enough former killer mains that quit -either playing different games now or switched to survivor for easier games- because the game is so badly balanced and in favor of survivor. But you won't believe that anyway.

@Orion said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@Master said:
How do you end the chase quicker?

Stop chasing them and do something else. Chase another survivor off a gen, kick some pallets you need to kick. A lot of killers get this thing in their head where the moment they find someone they chase them, relentlessly, until either they lose them completely or they catch them. It's during this time that the other get gens done because there is nothing to stop them. Really good killers keep pressure on all the survivors by knowing when to just give up on a chase. Yea it sucks that you have to let someone go that you could get, but sometimes it's better to do that because it disrupts the speed the GROUP does the gens.

So lose the chase over and over again, because every single Survivor is going to do the same thing.

Maybe if you can't catch ANYONE then you aren't as good a killer as you think. Just sayin'. I play a few killers at rank 1, most of the slow ones too and Freddy (and Nurse on console). Yea you get survivors that are really good at running away, but no survivor ever plays perfectly all the time. You have to capitalize on their mistakes. If you just keep chasing someone the others do gens. Sometimes if I start a chase and don't get a hit in the first 10 seconds but they drop a pallet, I'll just break the pallet and move on. I know that survivor won't be doing gens just yet, I have maybe 15-20 seconds before they feel "safe" and find a gen to work on. Maybe 10 if they are a good survivor. That's enough time to reset and get on another survivor.

The key is to know when to chase and when to not chase. If you swing at everyone and never take a chase that's just as bad as taking a chase and NEVER giving it up. Newsflash, you earn less Chaser points the longer the chase is. If you don't end a chase quickly then break off and find someone else, that you can catch.

You make it sound like it's impossible to catch a survivor. Maybe it is if you just follow them around every loop like a puppy, but if you act with your own will then you can put pressure on survivors into making mistakes, and THEN you catch them.

KOFF said:

Tunneling and camping killers should be ge get more easily banned because its unfair if killer tunnels only one survivor and doesn't seem to care other survivors and when the killer gets one or two of them to hook he starts camping and yesterday one killer said he camped because he didn't have perks and add-ons so he decided to camp and me and my friend died on our first hook when game was going on like 5 minutes and killers nowadays starts camping right away when they get the first hook and thats not fair.

@SnakeSound222 said:
Unicorn said:

I'm sorry but I never understood "camping and tunneling" being a legit strategy. I feel like thats an excuse to make Killers feel good about themselves. I don't camp, it's boring as hell! I could spend that time patrolling gens and slowing the game down.

The only time I find it acceptable to tunnel is when someone unhooks while I'm still around the damn hook, and even then I go after the a-hole that is obviously farming that person.

Camping is viable when you think that a Survivor might be near the hook.

In a lot of cases, tunneling is common sense. If I find an injured Survivor and a healthy Survivor together, it makes more sense to down the injured Survivor and put them right back on the hook instead of go after the healthy Survivor who will take two hits to down and could buy time for the other Survivor to heal up and complete a gen. 

I agree with this statement. It's understandable if BBQ and Chilly doesn't show anyone, meaning they're around the area. If you see a survivor following you as you're carrying another, it's understandable if you're patrolling.

Other than that, there is no excuse to hook and camp at the hook staring at the survivor.