Spirit is not too easy

In my opinion most of the complaints come from a place of frustration due to the proportions regarding killers' powers. Spirit is too strong for how easy (will talk about the word 'easy' later) her power is to use and for how little impact survivors' input has on it. Given she's not running stridor, which would make any chase a guaranteed down in a matter of seconds, Spirit is the only killer in the game who's truly able to turn chase interactions into coinflips. With most if not all other killers the survivor has an opportunity to turn the chase around in their favor; You can bait a Huntress into throwing a hatchet through a window by pretending you're gonna vault it, you can misdirect the Nurse or double back into her blinks, you can even get yourself in a position where the Deathslinger won't be able to completely reel you in even if he lands the shot. It's not all up to the killer - there is a real chance for people to survive in a lot of scenarios against those killers. With the Spirit however you're only really safe if you're uninjured or drop a god pallet the killer has no choice but to come out of phase to break such as the shack pallet. 'Crouch tech' isn't reliable because she can still hear footsteps/grass or deduce where you are based on where the scratchmarks stopped, stand still and she can hear you breathe, dropping weaker pallets will put you in a 50/50 situation the spirit can easily counter by just staying in phase a little longer to hear which side you're in... Hell, you can't even rely on Iron Will because a good number of spirits run stridor.

Even though I'm a survivor main, I've played tons of killer so far. Especially Nurse. Nurse is a mechanical challenge, you need to learn how far your blinks go, learn to play around survivors' mindgames, teach yourself not to blink into the basement (i've done that countless times. it happens, believe me), learn how each addon modifies her power and which ones you like the most, where you can and can't blink to, learn how to flick in order to mindgame survivors... And all that is just basic stuff you need to do every chase in order to catch any middle/high tier survivor. Nurse is a difficult killer and we both agree on that.

What, mechanically, is there to learn with the Spirit? You know exactly how long your power is going to last, you have a great idea of where the survivor is, all of that without the survivor having any input. That's what puts her below most m1 killers in terms of difficulty IMO. It's basically a singleplayer game. There is no challenge, all you need to be better than your average Spirit are good headphones really. Mine are about 400 pounds, not the best in the market, but they suffice, most my games are boringly effortless when I play Spirit. Oops, I heard your footsteps, oops, now you're standing still but I can still hear your breathing, guess you take a hit. Maybe play around my hearing a little better lol.

With most m1 killers such as Pig, Trapper and Ghostface you at least have the skillcap of mindgaming (no, you don't have that with spirit, no, standing still is not a mindgame) and tricking the survivors into looping the way you want them to, all the while having their input and actually having to worry about the possibility they might counterplay anything you do. They're comparatively harder than Spirit. It's not like killer is too difficult, anybody can get good with any killer and destroy almost any team, but I think there's a sensation of unfairness when getting to that level doesn't take as much effort as it should.

she is easy but not as easy as freddy, well after playing her couple of times she is easy to get 4K comparing playing other killers, after playing couple of times you would master her easily. having a great headphones and training could give you exact position on where the survivor is.

To be honest, I feel like Oni isn't complained about *enough*

His power is legit stronger than nurses', only downside is he doesn't have it up immediately, but once the snowball starts it's basically always ready, and his add-ons are some of the best (possibly broken) in the game

I always speak in terms of soloqueue cause that's what I mostly do. His power has *some* counterplay, but only if the Oni is not that good

I just think survivors should see spirit when she's phasing, maybe for a few seconds like someone else mentioned in their own thread. I think this would be a decent change and it would be less difficult to face her.

Hmm, funny, i see complains about Huntress and her iri heads, tombstone myers and blight all the time. And Billy was complained about before its nerf, and now i almost never see a billy in game, so sure there are no complains about him anymore.

Truth is, survivors often complain about strong killers, and you can see it by the timing. They complain mostly about nurse, and as soon as a nerf was announced, the complains about bill started. Its just a chain, survivors just go on to the next strongest killer once one is nerfed.

Hello, someone who mains every killer in the game here, spirit is a special case where she is really easy but not completely braindead, her power is way too strong for how easy to use it is, that is all

That's true, all I'm saying is I feel like he's a bit overtuned too but goes under the radar because he's not seen that much often (just like hag)

Also I didn't say that he's stronger than nurse, I said that his power is stronger than nurse's (imho), but unlike nurse, he doesn't have it 100% of the time

Playing against Spirit just weeds out the bad survivors. It's easier to blame the killer than it is to take responsibility for playing badly and learning what to do differently next time. She still has a higher skill cap than most the killer roster. She only gives the "appearance" of being easier because she's a noob stomper. She asks something more of survivors that most killers don't.

Obviously still to hard since it's a whole 5 steps. That's 4 steps too many.

Don’t forget to level up Nurse to level 30 and get the Stridor teachable

All you need is a good pair of headphones and stridor then you'll be an amazing spirit without much practice.

Even aside from that, she is a killer you have to ask the question of "when will she down me" unlike other killers you can ask "will they down me or will I escape?"

That is an option

Lol yeah I played a game with spirit after taking a break from the game for years (shortly after returning) and never played her in the past. Was getting pretty consistent 4ks without stridor and headphones lol