Visit the Kill Switch Master List for more information on these and other current known issues: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/299-kill-switch-master-list
We encourage you to be as honest as possible in letting us know how you feel about the game. The information and answers provided are anonymous, not shared with any third-party, and will not be used for purposes other than survey analysis.
Access the survey HERE!
people have to keep in mind that Tunneling,camping and slugging doesnt make you a "trash" killer
Trust me these things can be very annoying but these strategies are used to win. ya I know killers can use this thing just to be an A-hole.
Slugging is used to create pressure and yes although boring it's something the killer has to do to win. this is a tactic extremely common so most people are not phased by it to much
Camping and tunneling are things people are a bit mad at when it does happen. You really can't get mad at a killer for camping if there are people near the hook or its endgame. if the killer knows someone is near the hook you can't get mad at them since what are they supposed to do F right off to the corner. He is taking advantage of your eagerness of getting a quick unhook. He is making the smart play. Now, this is something that you really should not get and at, and that's camping at endgame. The killer is lets say losing and has one surv on the hook. why in the world would he leave the hook he has to secure a kill. it's so dumb to find a surv mad at the killer for camping during endgame when it's all they can really do without losing at least a 1k. One last thing is some killers camp just to also secure a health state since they need to. ya this is probably the most annoying out of the 3 i mentioned but still, the killer most likely has to get a health state or a kill or else they lose. oh ya, some killers have to stay near the hook since they hooked you near their 3 gen.
tunneling is also a thing people hate but most of the time it's not the killer's fault. It's the person that unhooked's fault since they did not take agro or at least a take hit, but still, they blame it on the killer for the survivors misplay. also same as camping sometimes need to do it if they want to win since they need to get someone out of the game quickly. why do you think so many people tunnel in comp play.
All these things are yes as I said before very annoying and the killer can do it just to be an A-hole but most of the time the killer just wants to win. these made-up rules are like if it's frowned upon to start doing a gen right after you did another gen as surv. People make so many jokes that killers get mad at the survs doing their objective to quickly which some killers do which is absurd since its your objective and you should be doing it quickly but mostly all the surv player based just get mad at the killer for killing survivors to quickly for example tunneling since its "noT Fun " or "yOuR A TrAsH KiLlER for Camping/tunneling/slugging." which isn't true since like I said before they do it to win and Comp killer do all of these things all the time and they are the best of the best Usually.
please stop getting mad at the killer for doing things just because they want to win. Why should a killer care about killing the survivors too quickly if most of the survivor player base doesn't care about doing the gen too quickly?
Personally, i don't like doing any of these things but sometimes I have to if I want to win, I know some of you will say "then don't play to win play for fun" but winning is fun to me, and most of the the killer player base.
One last thing you also should not get mad at a killer for doing any of this thing if it's part of the power. for example proxy camping for hag and trapper. These killers are made to be campy they arent meant to chase right off the bat and if you do get caught and put in their web then that's on you. Other killers have to slug to get the most out of their power like most of the insta down abilities, the twins, and maybe blight.
Comments
-
You could write a dissertation on why using those strats are okay & people would still ignore it all & try to dictate how "good" people should play.
Like you said, do what you must to win, but some people will never accept a lose.
17 -
it does suck doesn't it
3 -
As @CornHub said, some people will never accept a loss so really, just play as you see fit, how the killer's power works, make the most rational decision in the moment, get your 4k and bask in the salt mine, not giving a F. Cuz it doesn't matter if you win or lose, people are still not gonna be happy about something.
8 -
At the border between red and purple ranks (which is my skill level), I will get 0-1 kills if I try to rotate hooks to get a 12 hook. It simply isn't feasible. It only works on people that are a few notches below the killer's skill level (and the killer is trying to be somewhat nice and/or double pip).
5 -
You can only play nice if the survivors are bad or you are running an overpowered killer/build. 3 gens can get done in the first 90-100~ seconds easily when the full team is alive.
The survivor you are chasing can just camp every pallet they see and it won’t matter if 3 people are on gens because the game will be over in 5-6 minutes.
5 -
it doe ssuck sine i don't want to play like that but we have to to win
1 -
You're not wrong it's a sweaty playstyle. All the way up to rank users play like that. But can you really blame them when they face sweaty survivors.
4 -
Found this out the hard way somewhere along green ranks. It just wasn't working and gens were flying so it makes sense to take advantage of the greedy unhooks, the weak link, no? The survivor rulebook is nowhere to be found for us killer mains. 😈
2 -
It doesn't make you a trash killer, because you can't play fairly with some of these people who like to hold m1 on the generators like crazy. I just stopped caring what people told me about those things too though. I even put a discretion under my steam profile that say's if I do any of those things, and you have a complaint to take it somewhere else, and I don't care about what they say, and so far nobody has said anything to me since then. It works quite well. The people who complain about it are the people who don't play killer. I don't get mad if I get tunneled or camped or whatever when I'm playing survivor, because I understand you gotta do what you gotta do to win. If anything I hit them with the fat gg, and move on to the next game, because no reason to be upset over a video game.
2 -
What does make a trash killer in your view?
I'm not saying killers are trash for camping. since the devs haven't properly addressed it, it's a very tood way to win which is why you see it so often. I'm just curious what you think is a trash killer
1 -
I've said elsewhere (most recently in a thread where a bunch of killers were complaining that survivors are too stealthy) that the goal of the killer is to kill, the goal of the survivor is to survive, and every player should feel free to go about trying to achieve those goals in whatever way they find most enjoyable, as long as it doesn't break the rules.
This doesn't need to be much more complicated than that, but so many people out there seem hell-bent on making it so.
2 -
Tldr. My first game back today after a few days, I ran a Bubba for 3 gens before he finally downed me. Solo queue. Despite my gymnastics signaling I was being camped, all 3 of the other survivors came to try to rescue me. Since he was Bubba, all 3 went down one after the other and then I died. This killer was complete trash. I don't give a ######### what justification you want to try to make up for it. He sucked.
3 -
Sure, you could go by the baseline definitions of competition.
But don't be surprised when survivors get more and more toxic too, more invested in denying you hooks and using scummy strats to stall you or waste your time, or just go full-on gen-rush in subsequent games.
Yes, they're tactics. But they're ######### tactics to play against and sometimes ######### tactics to employ, so keep in mind that you're bringing down the quality of the entire game and really not helping with killer issues either.
With everyone complaining about genrushing and how these tactics are necessary to win, I'd personally want to look for a way to fix both issues in a trade-off rebalance, but if you want to keep using trashy tactics to steal sweaty and frustrating wins, I suppose that's your right.
2 -
I agree with most of this, but in my own experience it's harder to take agro than you think if the killer wants to tunnel vision. I mean, it works sometimes, a lot will take the free down thankfully. Killers are understandably desperate or maybe they just want this certain survivor to die, so they will find every way to go around your bodyblock, BT, whatever. Not really the survivor's fault in that situation.
0 -
Guess your teammates were worse though, huh?
3 -
I mean, they're trying to save me from getting camped by a lousy killer, I would probably do the same. Who cares who is worse though, the killer was complete trash, if your whole strategy is camp and wait, you aren't playing the game, you just suck, whether you killer none or 4.
0 -
I agree that it was lousy, why else do you think they're playing the easiest killer to camp with? At least they had the sense to try to get one kill though. If your teammates threw themselves at a Bubba they don't deserve to win either. If the game was fair you would've somehow gotten hatch for looping the killer that long, but the game is unfortunately pretty unfair.
3 -
well there's two
one is just a really new player, you know the ones that just start off and camp. i remember when I started like that back in 2017.
The other one is a killer that is just being an A-hole using the things I mentioned just to ruin your game
the first one Is what im talking about in the discussion
0 -
Ya the survivors that play stealthy remind me of slugging. boring for the other side but you gotta do what you gotta do
1 -
Let’s be honest though, according to most survivors if you attack the same person more than one time per match you’re a filthy tunneller lol.
5 -
well, that's just the solo queue teammates being garbage.
You also need to realize that your teammates came to U. i know it's out of your control but if your teammates came to you why would he leave
plus like I said your getting mad at the bubba when you should be getting mad at your garbage teammates
they weren't doing any gens were they all they were trying to do is get you
and you would do the same which makes you one of those over autistic surv
3 -
Well i don't go out of my way to do these it's just to say when I do it to win its not that im a trash killer im just trying to win
0 -
Survivors wan't you to play "fair" so they can t-bag you at the exit gate.
And if you don't slug them for the 4k they will taunt you to the hatch and t-bag you too.
1 -
I think it kinda depends tbh.
For example, I watched a game where a killer main was at 5 gens, slugged everyone and let everyone bleed out despite the team being pretty clearly bad (just newer players) and those players not being toxic at all. That I'd say is both tasteless and lacks any real skill against rank 15-20 players but the killer deranked previously so they could smash newer players.
Slugging makes sense in some instances but to slug an entire team (specifically 3 or 4 players) doesn't make a whole lot of sense outside of being petty. With 1 or 2 players I can see it more due to hatch and keys more often though.
Proxy camping is totally fine and makes sense. There isnt really a good reason to argue that a killer shouldn't check on a hook every now and then.
Regular camping I'd say is more often fine but there are exceptions to this for sure.
Tunneling although I don't love it, there isnt any reason to not do it as the game is currently made (from a scoring standpoint). I wish there was more natural incentive to not do this but right now it kinda just makes sense to.
Facecamping is the only one I'd say is pretty outright trash not just because it's an easy kill but I'd consider that much more toxic than the rest since you are dunking on a survivor for no good reason besides "I just want the kill and I don't care if I'm a tool". It's basically the killers equivalent of BMing imo.
0 -
To survivors:
If you get me down to 2 gens before I even have time to walk across the map, I’m going to try and get one of you out the game ASAP. It’s called playing killer.
If you’re going to play sweaty, I’m going to play sweaty.
If you try to unhook your teammate before I’ve even left the vicinity of the hook, I’m going to test for borrowed time. If you do it again, I’m most definitely going to attack the poor guy you just unhooked in front of my face. It’s called playing killer and taking advantage of your terrible misplay.
If however gens are going at a reasonable speed and I actually have time to check every gen at least once before the last one pops, I’ll play more chill and will go for max hooks.
Just as if you respect my killer and don’t try to unhook directly in my face, I’ll allow your mate to scurry away and I’ll hook you instead 😁
1 -
First off I agree with two out of three of those its annoying if a killer is camping a hooked survivor, and the other teammates can't get to it, it makes the killer trashy if they dont feel confident enough to leave the hook and then if the survivor gets unhooked they can come back, which most killers do. its annoying to the survivors and lessen the bloodpoints killers will get because if they spend most of the time guarding hooks there will be no time to chase, injure and stalk(if youre a certain killer). Campy killers are annoying to everyone i know who plays the game and especially the killers who are campy and hit you while youre on the hook, you may not mind it but after getting so many campy killers in a game then it starts to get hella annoying..
1 -
i know i know
some people just camp just be annoying but some people actually camp to get a advantage I'm sure these people were just being annoying
0 -
ya the example that you made was the killer just being an A-hole
face camping i didn't mention that cause that's just the killer being an A-hole and not trying to win
0 -
yeah i had a nurse camp every teammate that went on a hook(at the beginning of the game) and it just got annoying to the point people would disconnect, i guess i have not seen a killer who camped for strategy
0 -
well its pretty rare good killer sluggish and tunnel for strategy more often since its much more efficient,
Camp ussallyu happens if no is near the hooked surv and they are usually just about to die or get to second state so you just stick around
1 -
And that all leads to an issue with the game needing to better communicate what a win is. A lot of people consider a 4k a win or an escape a win but how the game rewards you (both BP and Pips but Pips are the technical win measurement) shows that those are not the only things that determine a win (and you can win without those). Because of people trying to exclusively get 4ks you get a lot of killers play pretty scummy while survivors you get them to pretty early on abandoning teammates/objectives for hatch (and many actively getting their teammates killed).
It's an issue that the game should better communicate to players to encourage healthy (and frankly fun) playstyle on both sides.
2 -
Oh yeah I figured you didn't condone those types of things but I figured it would be good to clarify that there are instants that they are not called for
0 -
This exactly. A 'win' or 'loss' is extremely subjective in this game, because we have no clear indicators on what is a 'Win' or 'Loss' (Especially when you consider that the pip system is directly tied to rank, which the Devs have already made clear doesn't equal skill or really indicate what kind of player you are besides showing how much you play.)
At least in my experience, the issue with camping or tunneling is the same as 4 gens in 2 minutes or a team of extreme stealth Blendettes on Saloon: it's boring. It's boring for the person getting tunneled/camped, it's boring to play.
Generally, at least in my experience, people don't mind getting killed in this game as Survivor unless they feel cheated (Like getting hit through a pallet or vault that, on their screen, they definitely made- which is why there's complaints about Freddy's odd lunge, or the frustration of not being able to get pallet stuns, but the killer can swing next to it and you get hit, (Something I feel now between killer latency and the pallet stun issue), or Spirit being able to pretty much stand still to win any loop in the game for what is practically free.) or unless it feels scummy/like you were being targeted for what feels like no reason. (Such as getting camped/tunneled at 4 gens when the worst you've done is break some dull bones, 25% of a gen, and stun the killer with one pallet and it doesn't matter what your teammates do, the killer is determined to kill you, or the case that (while I personally understand from a Killer's side, it's not fun as Survivor) your teammates won't ever pull aggro and you feel like you're the only one the killer ever chases.)
Idk, it's just not fun, makes the game boring for both sides, and tbh Killers tend to already do really well against a lot of teams if they're good and have a half-decent build, so against most teams, it also feels unnecessary... we're not playing at a tournament level. We're trying to make friends with big boi Myers with the knife.
1 -
the way I see it is if they hookbomb then I will go after injured man if they have bt and I used a ranged ability from a substantial distance I will go for unhooker
0 -
It’s a poor play style (if that’s even what you wanna call it). Sure camping is the only thing you can do in some situations but if you camp at 5 gens, gtfo.
Tunneling is pointless unless you really hate that one person for some reason or you’re just a new player who thinks it’s a good and reliable strategy
Slugging isn’t that scummy. I don’t know why it’s so complained about. It has an actual counter
0 -
BHVR always and always will have a problem with communication
0 -
well, camping is more on the annoying side with only a few times being efficient but sometimes tunneling isn't even on purpose or you have to do it to win and you have to get someone out of the game quick. usually with good player tunneling is nothing personal
2 -
I don't.
0 -
Bad at chases.
0 -
Tunneling is a good strategy a 1v3 in DBD is miles better than a 1v4. Sure tunneling of hook is stupid and you are just begging to get screwed by BT and giving up on free hits is stupid but if there is 2 of you on a gen and one is on death hook and the other one on 2nd or 1st hook I know who I am going for.
1 -
My fave: "Why tunnel / camp bro?" As if you and another survivor weren't swarming the hook and I clearly saw a weak link of the group and I have 2 gens left to defend.... Geez.
0 -
Loss*
And if you play scummy like abusing breakdown then you're effectively ruining the match for the other side. Same for the killer just facecamping as leatherface or w/e. The survivor can't play the game.
If "winning" means being a scumbag then by all means play like a little turd. Your persona online is a reflection of yourself after all.
1 -
You deserve a medal for running big boy around for that long. If you didn't have such potato teammates, he would've only gotten a 1k at your expense (which is unfortunate ofc) but honestly solo queue players don't seem to grasp camping bubba = death with altruistic saves. Idk about you but I'm usually pleased when I run a bubba for a long period of time and I finally get face camped as long as my team gets out which only 10% of the time that's what happens. 90% of the time? Well you experienced it. Sorry to hear you had a crummy time, friendo.
0 -
Thanks I’ve had this issue a few times finally someone with a brain gets why some killers can play campy near end game heck once had a rank two going to me learn how to play after I got a 4K win against them and there flashlight buddy who I hit just in time to negate a blind as Amanda I just crouch hid near the hook going for the double down play but the third remaining survivor also came over and I got all 3 and then said rank 2 starts well as I said calling me bad even after I pointed out I adapted to them as there friends over saving play style in order to take them both out and I got lucky
0 -
Some killers will do what they can to win as well as some survivors will. As long as this exists there will always be people getting mad and voicing their opinions. Until people learn to respect the other side (or at least be empathic), this attitude will not change.
There's nothing wrong with feeling mad, but it becomes problematic when they take it out on others. Even if it's gloating over a victory, that normally comes from someone who has been mad and acted thus before. Those people need to learn more about being dignified. It's only a game, and everyone has bad rounds.
0 -
Why care about what people you playing against think of you?
1
