DbD is full of cowards.

@powerbats said:

@Vietfox said:
Rebel_Raven said:

I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer.

Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity.

The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors.

You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities.

It also allows for extremely bad match making.

And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least.

@Rebel_Raven
Is it easier with SWF? Yes
BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.
We are NOT the depip squad.

This and several times when I've swf'd one or 2 people are on their cellphones talking to their gf and so can't tak anyways. There's other times I'm playing and can't talk due to people sleeping so there's no real advantage in quite a few of those games.

For most of my swf games it's with 1 or 2 and sometimes 3 to teach newbies the ropes and hopefully let them earn some bp. The other games we screw around quite a bit and joke about mistakes on both sides and we always say gg afterwards unless it's a camper at 5 gens etc.

This whole 4 mans swf swat team excuse is just that an excuse for every game where the killer gets outplayed or when there's even a 2 man swf. In over 1500 hours of playtime on both sides I've never seen more than 100 total groups of highly coordinated swf groups.

But I've seen hundreds of solo q games where the solo q's look like a 4 man depip squad, quite a few of those I was a survivor and we just all knew what to do. We knew when to rescue and when not to, when to do gens and when not to etc.

After quite a large amount of them the killer would get salty and say swf trash etc, all because they got their butt handed to them. It was a convenient excuse just like here on the forums, it wasn't because they weren't very good or that they made way too many mistakes it was swf.

Do you think Monto or Marth or any of the other top tier players got as good as they are by whining about swf and using that as an excuse not to get better?

@Vietfox said:
Rebel_Raven said:

I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer.

Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity.

The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors.

You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities.

It also allows for extremely bad match making.

And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least.

@Rebel_Raven
Is it easier with SWF? Yes
BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.
We are NOT the depip squad.

Funny, I keep running into sweaty SWFs. Nearly every time I give them a chance, outside of events.
If I didn't constantly run into people trying to use SWF to their advantage, I might have a better opinion of them, and I'd probably dodge less.

Believe me, I get it. You just want to play with friends. I absolutely do not blame you for that. SWF in itself isn't bad.
I blame the people pushing SWF advantages who are way too common.

Still, I feel the tone of the thread is screwed up.
Calling people names because they don't find it fun to gamble with people that might just go out of their way to ruin their fun, and abuse things not intended (Coordination, and communication. I don't really give a damn about SWF in itself)

@powerbats said:

@Vietfox said:
Rebel_Raven said:

I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer.

Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity.

The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors.

You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities.

It also allows for extremely bad match making.

And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least.

@Rebel_Raven
Is it easier with SWF? Yes
BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.
We are NOT the depip squad.

This and several times when I've swf'd one or 2 people are on their cellphones talking to their gf and so can't tak anyways. There's other times I'm playing and can't talk due to people sleeping so there's no real advantage in quite a few of those games.

For most of my swf games it's with 1 or 2 and sometimes 3 to teach newbies the ropes and hopefully let them earn some bp. The other games we screw around quite a bit and joke about mistakes on both sides and we always say gg afterwards unless it's a camper at 5 gens etc.

This whole 4 mans swf swat team excuse is just that an excuse for every game where the killer gets outplayed or when there's even a 2 man swf. In over 1500 hours of playtime on both sides I've never seen more than 100 total groups of highly coordinated swf groups.

But I've seen hundreds of solo q games where the solo q's look like a 4 man depip squad, quite a few of those I was a survivor and we just all knew what to do. We knew when to rescue and when not to, when to do gens and when not to etc.

After quite a large amount of them the killer would get salty and say swf trash etc, all because they got their butt handed to them. It was a convenient excuse just like here on the forums, it wasn't because they weren't very good or that they made way too many mistakes it was swf.

Do you think Monto or Marth or any of the other top tier players got as good as they are by whining about swf and using that as an excuse not to get better?

I'm not interested in becoming "top tier." I don't have time for that. I'm not a streamer, and I don't have the time to invest in being as good as one. I really wish I did. I enjoy this game for some strange reason when I generally hate PVP entirely. Survivor, and killer.

Hey, I'm all for removing the excuses, or validating them.
Lets mark SWFs, or filter them.
And/or add a BP bonus to killers depending on how many SWFs are involved in the match to indicvate how many were SWFs.
This way someone can see they got whooped by 4 solo survivors and can't make the complaint with any validity.
Or if they go after an SWF they can either meet a not sweaty group looking to have fun, an absolutely ruthless group, or a toxic group.
People looking to dodge SWF are probably going to do it anyhow.
Trying to take advantage of people who don't know any better than to dodge an SWF will only last so long with them, and if they don't know what to look for, they will ALWAYS have that excuse.

And hey, there's always the people that don't dodge, even knowing what to look for. It's not like SWF will completely lose games.

You can't convince me that most SWFs aren't mostly sweaty when my experiences say otherwise.
They aren't out to screw around short of being toxic/BM. Maybe some are trying to teach? I might have ran into one game like that.
But they're generally out to be as ruthless as possible in my experiences, and that's pretty ruthless when they can basically break the game.

@Carpemortum said:
Rebel_Raven said:

@powerbats said:

 @Vietfox said:

Rebel_Raven said:

  I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer.

  Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity.

  The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors.

  You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities.

  It also allows for extremely bad match making.

  And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least.

  

  @Rebel_Raven 

Is it easier with SWF? Yes

BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.

We are NOT the depip squad.

This and several times when I've swf'd one or 2 people are on their cellphones talking to their gf and so can't tak anyways. There's other times I'm playing and can't talk due to people sleeping so there's no real advantage in quite a few of those games.

For most of my swf games it's with 1 or 2 and sometimes 3 to teach newbies the ropes and hopefully let them earn some bp. The other games we screw around quite a bit and joke about mistakes on both sides and we always say gg afterwards unless it's a camper at 5 gens etc.

This whole 4 mans swf swat team excuse is just that an excuse for every game where the killer gets outplayed or when there's even a 2 man swf. In over 1500 hours of playtime on both sides I've never seen more than 100 total groups of highly coordinated swf groups.

But I've seen hundreds of solo q games where the solo q's look like a 4 man depip squad, quite a few of those I was a survivor and we just all knew what to do. We knew when to rescue and when not to, when to do gens and when not to etc.

After quite a large amount  of them the killer would get salty and say swf trash etc, all because they got their butt handed to them. It was a convenient excuse just like here on the forums, it wasn't because they weren't very good or that they made way too many mistakes it was swf.

Do you think Monto or Marth or any of the other top tier players got as good as they are by whining about swf and using that as an excuse not to get better?

@Vietfox said:

Rebel_Raven said:

I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer.

Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity.

The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors.

You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities.

It also allows for extremely bad match making.

And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least.



@Rebel_Raven 

Is it easier with SWF? Yes

BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.

We are NOT the depip squad.

Funny, I keep running into sweaty SWFs. Nearly every time I give them a chance, outside of events.

If I didn't constantly run into people trying to use SWF to their advantage, I might have a better opinion of them, and I'd probably dodge less.

Believe me, I get it. You just want to play with friends. I absolutely do not blame you for that. SWF in itself isn't bad.

I blame the people pushing SWF advantages who are way too common.

Still, I feel the tone of the thread is screwed up.

Calling people names because they don't find it fun to gamble with people that might just go out of their way to ruin their fun, and abuse things not intended (Coordination, and communication. I don't really give a damn about SWF in itself)

@powerbats said:

 @Vietfox said:

Rebel_Raven said:

  I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer.

  Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity.

  The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors.

  You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities.

  It also allows for extremely bad match making.

  And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least.

  

  @Rebel_Raven 

Is it easier with SWF? Yes

BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.

We are NOT the depip squad.

This and several times when I've swf'd one or 2 people are on their cellphones talking to their gf and so can't tak anyways. There's other times I'm playing and can't talk due to people sleeping so there's no real advantage in quite a few of those games.

For most of my swf games it's with 1 or 2 and sometimes 3 to teach newbies the ropes and hopefully let them earn some bp. The other games we screw around quite a bit and joke about mistakes on both sides and we always say gg afterwards unless it's a camper at 5 gens etc.

This whole 4 mans swf swat team excuse is just that an excuse for every game where the killer gets outplayed or when there's even a 2 man swf. In over 1500 hours of playtime on both sides I've never seen more than 100 total groups of highly coordinated swf groups.

But I've seen hundreds of solo q games where the solo q's look like a 4 man depip squad, quite a few of those I was a survivor and we just all knew what to do. We knew when to rescue and when not to, when to do gens and when not to etc.

After quite a large amount  of them the killer would get salty and say swf trash etc, all because they got their butt handed to them. It was a convenient excuse just like here on the forums, it wasn't because they weren't very good or that they made way too many mistakes it was swf.

Do you think Monto or Marth or any of the other top tier players got as good as they are by whining about swf and using that as an excuse not to get better?

I'm not interested in becoming "top tier." I don't have time for that. I'm not a streamer, and I don't have the time to invest in being as good as one. I really wish I did. I enjoy this game for some strange reason when I generally hate PVP entirely. Survivor, and killer.

Hey, I'm all for removing the excuses, or validating them.

Lets mark SWFs, or filter them.

And/or add a BP bonus to killers depending on how many SWFs are involved in the match to indicvate how many were SWFs.

This way someone can see they got whooped by 4 solo survivors and can't make the complaint with any validity.

Or if they go after an SWF they can either meet a not sweaty group looking to have fun, an absolutely ruthless group, or a toxic group.

People looking to dodge SWF are probably going to do it anyhow.

Trying to take advantage of people who don't know any better than to dodge an SWF will only last so long with them, and if they don't know what to look for, they will ALWAYS have that excuse.

And hey, there's always the people that don't dodge, even knowing what to look for. It's not like SWF will completely lose games.

You can't convince me that most SWFs aren't mostly sweaty when my experiences say otherwise.

They aren't out to screw around short of being toxic/BM. Maybe some are trying to teach? I might have ran into one game like that.

But they're generally out to be as ruthless as possible in my experiences, and that's pretty ruthless when they can basically break the game.

So if you dont care about being top tier why do you care when you lose to "sweaty they hards" wasting their items. Why not laugh....

There's no profit in losing like that. I do want blood points, you know.
It's also no fun at all.

It's kinda crap to get encouraged to become top tier and not have the perks/addons/offerings top tier players use, and expect to get them the ultra hard way.
I watch the vids. Almost none use less than t3 stuff save rare emergency cases.

@Vietfox said:
Rebel_Raven said:

@Carpemortum said:

Rebel_Raven said:

@powerbats said:

@Vietfox said: Rebel_Raven said: I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer. Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity. The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors. You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities. It also allows for extremely bad match making. And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least. @Rebel_Raven Is it easier with SWF? Yes BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.

We are NOT the depip squad.

This and several times when I've swf'd one or 2 people are on their cellphones talking to their gf and so can't tak anyways. There's other times I'm playing and can't talk due to people sleeping so there's no real advantage in quite a few of those games. For most of my swf games it's with 1 or 2 and sometimes 3 to teach newbies the ropes and hopefully let them earn some bp. The other games we screw around quite a bit and joke about mistakes on both sides and we always say gg afterwards unless it's a camper at 5 gens etc. This whole 4 mans swf swat team excuse is just that an excuse for every game where the killer gets outplayed or when there's even a 2 man swf. In over 1500 hours of playtime on both sides I've never seen more than 100 total groups of highly coordinated swf groups. But I've seen hundreds of solo q games where the solo q's look like a 4 man depip squad, quite a few of those I was a survivor and we just all knew what to do. We knew when to rescue and when not to, when to do gens and when not to etc. After quite a large amount of them the killer would get salty and say swf trash etc, all because they got their butt handed to them. It was a convenient excuse just like here on the forums, it wasn't because they weren't very good or that they made way too many mistakes it was swf. Do you think Monto or Marth or any of the other top tier players got as good as they are by whining about swf and using that as an excuse not to get better? @Vietfox said:

Rebel_Raven said:

I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer. Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity. The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors. You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities. It also allows for extremely bad match making. And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least. @Rebel_Raven

Is it easier with SWF? Yes

BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.

We are NOT the depip squad.



Funny, I keep running into sweaty SWFs. Nearly every time I give them a chance, outside of events.

If I didn't constantly run into people trying to use SWF to their advantage, I might have a better opinion of them, and I'd probably dodge less.

Believe me, I get it. You just want to play with friends. I absolutely do not blame you for that. SWF in itself isn't bad.

I blame the people pushing SWF advantages who are way too common.

Still, I feel the tone of the thread is screwed up.

Calling people names because they don't find it fun to gamble with people that might just go out of their way to ruin their fun, and abuse things not intended (Coordination, and communication. I don't really give a damn about SWF in itself)

@powerbats said:

@Vietfox said: Rebel_Raven said: I see it as pretty cowardly to play in SWF. It makes the game easier for those survivors, to the point of virtually game breaking, and often hurts the killer. Like you aren't coordinating at all? Sure. And I'm the Entity. The game isn't balanced for coordinated survivors. You can act like you aren't doing much but against a threat, I'd wager you'll start sharing more and more info, and playing harder and harder using comms to your advantage going well beyond the solo survivor's abilities. It also allows for extremely bad match making. And don't forget to rag on the survivor side of things. They DC plenty, too. They have the option to back out of bad ping games at the least. @Rebel_Raven Is it easier with SWF? Yes BUT you fail to realize that most swfs play with friends just because they like to play with their friends, not because they are sweaty ********.

We are NOT the depip squad.

This and several times when I've swf'd one or 2 people are on their cellphones talking to their gf and so can't tak anyways. There's other times I'm playing and can't talk due to people sleeping so there's no real advantage in quite a few of those games. For most of my swf games it's with 1 or 2 and sometimes 3 to teach newbies the ropes and hopefully let them earn some bp. The other games we screw around quite a bit and joke about mistakes on both sides and we always say gg afterwards unless it's a camper at 5 gens etc. This whole 4 mans swf swat team excuse is just that an excuse for every game where the killer gets outplayed or when there's even a 2 man swf. In over 1500 hours of playtime on both sides I've never seen more than 100 total groups of highly coordinated swf groups. But I've seen hundreds of solo q games where the solo q's look like a 4 man depip squad, quite a few of those I was a survivor and we just all knew what to do. We knew when to rescue and when not to, when to do gens and when not to etc. After quite a large amount of them the killer would get salty and say swf trash etc, all because they got their butt handed to them. It was a convenient excuse just like here on the forums, it wasn't because they weren't very good or that they made way too many mistakes it was swf.

Do you think Monto or Marth or any of the other top tier players got as good as they are by whining about swf and using that as an excuse not to get better?



I'm not interested in becoming "top tier." I don't have time for that. I'm not a streamer, and I don't have the time to invest in being as good as one. I really wish I did. I enjoy this game for some strange reason when I generally hate PVP entirely. Survivor, and killer.

Hey, I'm all for removing the excuses, or validating them.

Lets mark SWFs, or filter them.

And/or add a BP bonus to killers depending on how many SWFs are involved in the match to indicvate how many were SWFs.

This way someone can see they got whooped by 4 solo survivors and can't make the complaint with any validity.

Or if they go after an SWF they can either meet a not sweaty group looking to have fun, an absolutely ruthless group, or a toxic group.

People looking to dodge SWF are probably going to do it anyhow.

Trying to take advantage of people who don't know any better than to dodge an SWF will only last so long with them, and if they don't know what to look for, they will ALWAYS have that excuse.

And hey, there's always the people that don't dodge, even knowing what to look for. It's not like SWF will completely lose games.

You can't convince me that most SWFs aren't mostly sweaty when my experiences say otherwise.

They aren't out to screw around short of being toxic/BM. Maybe some are trying to teach? I might have ran into one game like that.

But they're generally out to be as ruthless as possible in my experiences, and that's pretty ruthless when they can basically break the game.

So if you dont care about being top tier why do you care when you lose to "sweaty they hards" wasting their items. Why not laugh....

There's no profit in losing like that. I do want blood points, you know.

It's also no fun at all.

It's kinda crap to get encouraged to become top tier and not have the perks/addons/offerings top tier players use, and expect to get them the ultra hard way.

I watch the vids. Almost none use less than t3 stuff save rare emergency cases.

@Rebel_Raven
Everyone wants bps, but it isn't fun either to face a myers with infinite EW3 or a one shot huntress. Survivors dont get many bps against those either.

Yeah, I know. I'm on the survivor end of that at times. Killers just going overboard whole hog. Mostly Myers, Doctors and Wraiths with absolutely zero chill. Sub 8k matches suck, survivor or killer.
Was real fun for matchmaking to put me in a match with a killer 9 ranks higher than me.

If you Vs me as a killer, even if I have a hundred addons that offer those abilities, I'll probably never play that way outside of rare occurrences for shits and giggles. Not likely against anything but a 4 man SWF on top of that.
I loathe the day I look at a group and think "Boy, I better use the heavy artillery and try really damn hard to fight to have a chance here. No fun, just business. just grind."
It's just the latter part right now. I don't have an SWF killer build. Certainly don't want to adhere to meta and make one.

I might goof around and do a Rancor - Devour Hope - haunted grounds combo for shits and giggles and see if it works with other perks, sort of a no mori kill build, but, well..
I'm sort of the killer equivalent to the SWFs you say you run, I guess? If I'm reading your intent with SWF right?
I could have the tools to be toxic, but I'm happier giving, and getting a sporting chance.
I might make the game easier on me, but go at it full tilt? Nah.

But it goes too far when my advancement is put in peril. Not ranks, but I mean getting stronger perks, and on characters I like to get the builds I want to try. So I need BP.

If I could figure out a way to suggest something outside of a gentlemen's agreement that neither side will go ultra tryhard I would. Maybe if we get enough people we can set up lobbies with KYF style rules, limits on rarities, etc. but people dislike the idea of splitting the community.
Perkless matches look hella fun watching Achievement Hunter do them.

@BeanieEnthusiast said:
But everyone who plays in SWF are all running DS and adrenaline 🧐 I think survivors in SWF are the cowards..

You forget SC/DH/(insert whatever perk killers want to complain about here). Oh and the swf swat teams all have 4 flashlights/insta heals/toolboxes and BNPs and all matches are under 3 minutes with no kills.

When all 4 pop in at once...flashlights....toolboxes...Maybe an immersed Claudette or two and maybe a p3 laurie...

I roll my eyes, mutter something like "Christ on a cracker..." And then redo my load out to take grays so I dont waste my high end addons getting rekt the whole match.

 but I still don't dodge.

Dbd is full of something beginning with C

Orion said:

@BigBubs said:

@Orion said:
It's not cowardice to prevent a game you know is not going to be fun.

Yeah , we all know it's not fun to lose. It's completely not being a pussy dodging over and over

There's a difference between losing and being trolled by the opponent. Why are you pretending you don't know this?

Being trolled only works if you give into it. You can still lose, be trolled, and have fun. You just do what you can and move on to the next game. I literally had a game last night with 3 unbreakable, 3 sc, 3 UE, 3 adrenaline, an obsession DS, 2 flashlight 2 toolbox join at once. Walked out with a 4k. Sure I may have only got one and they could have teabagged and whatnot, but then I know they're that bad to need to troll a win like that, and I....move on to the next game. 

SWF whether terrible with friends or super stacked out is still a game that can be fun. If you dont let the "omfg its cheat with friends I cant do this" mentality set In.