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So, do a lot of killers need addons looked at?

IWasLeft2Die
IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405
edited April 2021 in Feedback and Suggestions

I know a lot of people talk about specific addons on a killers but was wondering if most killers need addons looked over again. It feels like most killers have addon issues. For example

Hillbilly- most of his addons are garbage or even contrary to how you'd play him

Freddy (ptb version)- setting aside his natural abilities, his addons just dont do a whole lot overall. Hearing survivors louder is fairly minimal and his built in 10 second gate block just isn't good. All of his addons got substantially worse from ptb.

Pig- tbh I don't know pig well enough but I feel like there is a specific combination people complain about (tampered timer?) a ton while the rest don't feel that useful


None of this is to say killers are all too weak or all too strong but it sounds like addons need a lot of attention overall imo

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Comments

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,795

    I guess Pig is the next one that needs her addons looked at. Maybe Myers (though I think he has very interesting addons).

    but I really think the current changes are going in the right direction, even if there are some questionable changes.

  • Zozzy
    Zozzy Member Posts: 4,759

    If the direction is make them useless and meme worthy yeah...

  • Phasmamain
    Phasmamain Member Posts: 11,531

    I don’t know about that. Clown, doctor and bubba got some great add ons to choose from

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    I'm inclined to think most killers have a lot of pointless addons which makes me think killers should have the worthless addons be changed to be at least somewhat useful (even if barely noticeably better).

    There are the cases where some addons are so good everything else is irrelevant which could require nerfing those addons and/or buffing others.

    Myers I like a lot but I could be into some changes (keep Judith's and scratched mirror basically the same) while giving him a little more love on other addons and I'd be okay losing tombstone piece

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,795

    I thought the Demo addon changes were pretty good, they also reacted quickly on the Rat Liver fiasco. Huntress did need changes to Iri Head (the changes don’t make the addons worthless at all) and Forever Freddy needed some change as well (not saying the changes couldn’t be better). Wraith got windstorm basekit and according adjustments to the addons.

    I never said every single change was perfect, but this general direction is healthy for the game.

  • DoomedMind
    DoomedMind Member Posts: 793

    There is one thing they have to stop : add-ons that are nerfing the power but offer points... No one uses these add-ons, and they are often brown (Nurse has also a yellow add-on of that kind, plus a brown. Two super useless add-ons).

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    Yeah most of those addons I dislike. There are a couple (out of the 23 killers mind you) that I've considered trying but they still don't feel worth it

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405
    edited April 2021

    I honestly didn't mind Huntress's iri hatchets but I can see why people hated them. But I do think they went overboard on the nerf (would prefer make it 2 and cap at 2 instead of 1). Id honestly rather them just remove them at this point and give her a different ultra rare.

  • supersonic853
    supersonic853 Member Posts: 5,541
    edited April 2021

    Freddy got a iri that blocks the exit gates for sleeping survivors for 10 seconds after it opens... hillbilly got a green that cools down the saw faster while your flashlighted... they really need to go back to those two and reevaluate some of their decisions lol.

  • DoomedMind
    DoomedMind Member Posts: 793

    Yeah they over nerfed it. It would be nice to have the insta down for hit from more than 16 meters, and letting the base 5 hatchets capacity.

  • Dilif69
    Dilif69 Member Posts: 148

    Nurse has 2 meme addons and suck

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,264

    The only thing which annoys me with Iri Heads is that the Nerf is really lazy. This could have been done a few years ago, they knew before that this Add On was a problem. I mean, I dont mind, the Add On can be completely butchered, but it was a lazy Nerf.


    @Topic:

    When I think about Add Ons, I think about Pig and Myers.

    Pig-->Changing outdated Add Ons like Tampered Timer, it is 2021, no need to have an Add On like this which basically only awards cheap RNG-Kills (combined with the purple Crate or the purple Sketch, it is impossible for a Survivor to do all the Boxes when disturbed only a little bit). That is the biggest one IMO.

    Then they should rework the Add Ons which give Mangled and Exhaustion, because they only promote to tunnel people with a Trap. Hemorrhage might fall into the same category, however, I think giving it to her at Base would be neat, since the Survivor has a Trap attached to their Jaw, obviously they are bleeding.

    Also outdated Add Ons like the ones which give more Skill Checks or make the penalty bigger should be reworked. They dont have any synergy anymore (Lullaby/Unnerving were patched years ago to not work with Jigsaw Boxes), so no reason to keep the Add Ons, which make it easier for experienced Survivors to get the Traps off (because of the increased Skill Checks), but harder for newer Survivors (because of the bigger penalty).

    When it comes to replacements, I would like to have more Add Ons to promote her Stealth and Dash, because her Traps are not her only Power. They could also add stuff which increases Movement Speed while crouched, Ghostface has it, so no reason why Pig should not have it.


    Myers:

    Tombstone Piece and unlimited Evil need to go. People are saying it is hard to get to Tier 3, but it really isnt, especially when using the Memorial. They are simply outdated Add Ons.

    Also, many of his Add Ons dont really see use, stuff like increased Movement Speed while stalking is not really useful, you just go from super-slow to less super-slow. The god awful Vanity Mirror also needs changes, it is a horrible Add On, there is no point in using it over Scratched Mirror (you only get 2% more Movement Speed and a bigger lunge, but have a smaller Aura Read, a Terror Radius and have to tier up first... Not worth using).

    In general, I hope they give Myers some love, he is the prime example of a powercreeped Killer, when I started playing, Myers was ranked as low A-Tier all the time, now he barely makes mid C-Tier.

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    Yeah myers does make me sad playing him now. I don't mind the infinite tier 3 personally but I can agree on the other parts. I really hope he gets attention asap. On paper he sounds like he could potentially be really good but he needs addons looked at and his general abilities

  • BananaBlooD95
    BananaBlooD95 Member Posts: 555

    The problem is that some killer like Nurse, Spirit & Freddy have really good base power so if you make their add-ons worthy of using you also make them stronger and less fun to play against.

  • supersonic853
    supersonic853 Member Posts: 5,541

    I think the thing people fear with myers is theyll fix his problematic addons that actually make him a menace and actually make him very good. But they won't change his basekit at all leaving him as a literally d tier killer since the bs addons are the only thing that really carry him. (Otz addressed this in his tierlist as well that myers is the definition of addon dependant)


  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,264

    You neither need the Tombstone Piece nor the Tuft of Hair to do well with Myers. But his range of useful Add Ons is pretty limited, I mostly run the Hairbow and a stalking Add On, which is already a very strong Add On-Combination. But the bullshit Add Ons are not needed IMO.

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    Just out of curiosity, are you okay with keeping regular tombstone if the piece got removed?

    I do agree Myers is addon dependent but I kinda like that about him honestly.

  • Teacyn
    Teacyn Member Posts: 93

    Pig absolutely needs an addon rework - Most of her addons are extremely minimal or even useless, and then she has the tamper timer + gearbox combo that literally makes it impossible for a survivor to do all of the jigsaw boxes in time, resulting in unavoidable deaths. There's pretty much nothing good about her addon setup.

    Myers also does. Most of his addons do virtually nothing or are so situational they barely matter, and then the EW3 duration suite of addons and the faster stalk addons are basically mandatory to play at any kind of high level. Some of his other addons are neat but like Ghostface he needs those two specific addons so much that he's basically unplayable without them at a high level. The only real substitute can be swapping out the EW3 duration addon for Tombstone or Tombstone Piece, the latter of which is hilariously broken like the Pig combo.

    Ghostface needs a lighter rework than other killers - Most of his addons are alright, if really basic, but his base power recovery speed is so slow that you are basically forced to run the recovery speed addons. No other addon even holds a candle to them. He needs to have them baked into his base kit to some degree + the addons nerfed, and then maybe other addons for him can be looked at once that suite isn't mandatory.

    Freddy needs an addon pass. Going from the PTB, literally like 3/4 of his addons are useless or so situational they're impossible to use. His addons were already really bad and now they're even worse. The entire Dream Pallet suite is completely useless because Dream Pallets are worthless.

  • swager21
    swager21 Member Posts: 1,019

    myers, do you know how broken tombstone piece is? also, hes really addon dependent so you always have to bring terror radius and stalking rate addons

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,264

    I think the regular Tombstone is fine. It takes more stalk than the Tombstone Piece and has a Movement Speed-Drawback. IMO the Tombstone Piece might also be alright if it would only allow to kill fully stalked Survivors. This way at least it does not happen that the guy who did not see Myers the whole game dies, just because the teammates did not pay attention.