How do people enjoy going against Spirit?

I find her kind of fun to go against. I like to be able to out-loop everything, but she is a little different. You have to play with your sounds while she's phasing, like slow vaulting windows, crouching, doubling back, throwing the pallet from the wrong side, etc. The standing still tech is dumb though. I think anytime she's phasing, the sound should play.

Personally, I don't.

That said, when I have to I try my best.

I might say, Ironwill survivor vs no Stridor Spirit is a fair game.

She doesnt have Stridor but you dont have ironwill, you die

You have ironwill & she has stridor, you die

The worst case is you dont have ironwill and she has stridor.

I certainly dont enjoy going up against a spirit especially with stridor. For a killer to know exactly where you are at regardless of iron will and is very good at mind gaming I certainly dont enjoy. I dont like nurse either because nothing works on her but breaking line of sight but then they still know where im at.

Going against Iron Will as Spirit can be frustrating which is why I think Spirit and Iron Will should be reworked at the same time.

You mean going against the only thing that somewhat "counters" (and is not even a real counter) her is frustrating? Eh.

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When she does not have Stridor, it can be quite fun, even if she is decent. At least there is a chance to do something against her with Iron Wíll. And if she is bad, it is funny to make fun of her being bad, but thats about it.

Killers who play Spirit dont want the Survivors to have fun, so I also dont have fun when going against her with Stridor.

What I meant by minimizing your sounds is to crouch. You make way less sound when crouched, even when you're injured. When she phases, play your mindgame and then hit the deck to confuse her. Once she misses you with her phase she has to chase you at 110 until she recovers.

It takes practice, but I enjoy the challenge of going against skilled killers.

The discussion around Spirit is weird to me because people list things they try against her and express frustration that those things don't work. And people consistently list the same things as counterplays they've tried.

The reason it's weird to me, and I say this as someone who plays Spirit at a competitive level, is that those aren't even things that work against a decent Spirit. Apparently the commonly accepted counterplay, yet players CONSISTENTLY express frustration that those things don't work. Like...maybe those aren't the things players should do against a good Spirit? Nurse has a bit of the same thing. Doubling back will almost never work against a good Nurse.

Fast vault followed by a slow vault is the easiest thing in the world to hear for a Spirit. Same with dropping a pallet and vaulting it. You can even see a dust cloud on the pallet in the direction they vaulted. Doubling back in a straight line means you're going to breath in her face at some point. Want to chance that on a Spirit with $900 headphones, an amp, and an EQ?

So what do you do? Healthy breathing at a stand still has a distance of 8 meters standing still. Hard cut off at 8 meters. Running is 12-16 plus footsteps depending on the character. Injured is whatever. You might as well be screaming.

The answer is always make distance and create a 50/50 at a further tile. The answer is NEVER stay at the tile or go towards the Spirit. She has a finite amount of charge on each phase walk. You need to make her burn some of that closing the distance. It takes practice to gauge the timing, but I like to wait and bait her to commiting to one side of the tile and then vault or drop the pallet at the last second of her phase. It's the most effective counterplay but the hardest to pull off.

Lastly, it is 100% patently false that she has no tell when she goes into phase

I would think so too. But the dev have history of minor (if any) changes from PTB to live. Then making the changes 8-12 months down the road that should've been made in PTB. We'll see

Some people like to be choked so..

That's a bad player's mindset right there.

There are things you can do to outplay both a Spirit and a Deathslinger. They simply are not guaranteed to work all the time.

I love how she moves and how she looks, she is kinda hot. Also love when she does waaaaaaah!!

you could tell by shard you need really close which is really impossible to tell. basically if anyone try to said to looks for shard then you need to be awfully close to this killer and some skin can cover most of her shard

When the Spirit is bad is enjoyable because Killer mindgames himself and does absurd things, its like watching one of those Benny Hill chases skits.

When is good there isnt much to enjoy, they see you, they hit you, they phase, you go down without much input.

Its because she has inherent counter-play, a lot more than people give spirit for. Spirit is such well-designed killer. Its crazy. Most of spirit's gameplay revolves around making predictions around the survivor's movement, her mechanical skill very low meaning she has a very good skill-floor but high-skill mastery as her skill allows her to beat any team with good prediction and solid tracking skills. Its like perfect formula. The reason why survivors feel like they can't beat her is because their movement is too predictable and no single action done repetitively will work against spirit. you need mix it up and she has answers to what you mix up but you also have answers to their mix-up. I wish more killers were like spirit where either side could make a good play.

With nurse, She's more raw mechanic skill and raw power, you can make nurse miss few blinks from extremely far away but eventually you'll get zoned in the corner and a lot of her blinks will start become more reactional than prediction based if your too close to her. She is just as fun to face as spirit when you go on Hawkins,Lery and like Rotten fields as the large amount of wallblockers makes her closer to prediction based killer. Ironically these maps are.... very hard for nurse compare to the others.

I think it will. 90 secs. is terrible for a game that averages 20 mins. I used the current lucky break on 3 of my chars, when it first came with Yui- and the 2 min plus still wasn’t enough. Even with healing & medkits. The timer doesn’t pause when you’re healing/being healed. Healing in sloppy butcher eats up that timer.

I used to enjoy going against spirit- especially vanilla spirit before the rework. Currently these days, not so much. I think it really has more to do with my solo que teammates. They don’t respect barbecue & pop. She’s tough to get away from so why broadcast your location & the gen you’re working on, just for her to pop that gen- down you in 30 seconds, hook, then rinse and repeat? I’m usually the last survivor who got the only 2 gens done cause I either got close when she’s carrying a downed survivor, or hid in a locker for 10 seconds. As soon as barbecue is done, I’m out of the locker finishing my gen- while my teammates are dropping like flies. That’s not fun at all. Aside from this, I have a great deal of respect for Spirit & Nurse players because they require SKILL to play effectively. Players who are good with Spirit put in the time and effort to learn her, and I respect that- unlike pay to win Freddy & Ghostface. I don’t mind losing to a good Spirit, and find it challenging trying to shake her off when breaking line of sight. Survivors in the past complaining about her & nurse actually made them stronger by causing them to be reworked- IMO. At least my chases vs. rank 1’s using them didn’t always end up with me getting hit after the first phase or second blink, back then.