How do we all feel about DS now?

I thought the same. I don't run DS, but it's not much of a deterrent for a tunneling killer. Unless someone else is in their face and they're not that devoted to the idea of killing you first, they're just going to run after you. Hiding the trail would be great for giving the user a chance to actually get away; taking the route of a sprint burst for 3-5 seconds might make the user a lot less attractive to chase after, too.

Anyway, I think the nerf is very fair - I go out of my way not to tunnel and I'd still get hit with 50-second DSes off gens and totems all the time. It was very busted in its previous state. The unfortunate part is that people stopped running it because it can't be used as an all-purpose shield, and now you're seeing an increase in hard tunneling because killers don't feel pressured to play around it anymore. But that's not an issue with DS's mechanics, that's an issue with the transient meta.

still run it as survivor and it works just fine but now I dont have to worry about a survivor on a gen jumping into a locker the second I come over.

Before the most recent DS nerf, very few people complained that DS was weak when it fired off because the Killer tunneled someone right off the hook. That part still works just as effectively as it did before DS was changed. I think once enough time has passed and Survivors start using it again in larger numbers, it will continue to do that part of its job just as well.

As far as buffing DS again, I personally would only be okay with that on the condition that DS stops functioning during the last leg of the game once the Exit Gates are powered. The one thing DS still does that bothers me is severely increase the odds of escaping the trial if someone has not already used it by that point in the game. Something like allowing DS to be used multiple times in a game would definitely increase the possibility of allowing that to happen, so I'd want that to be nipped in the bud before we actually discuss the possibility of buffing DS.

to be fair, nothing is going to stop a determined gamer that wants you dead, DS at the very least lets you waste more of the killers time, which is what it was supposed to do

As a mostly killer main, I'd say that DS is situational enough now to deserve having two charges, one for each unhook. Or even two charges that can be used at your discretion, so if you use it and are still getting tunnelled, feel free to use it immediately after. Killers will get hit with it, know you still have one charge left, and may decide it's not worth eating two DS's back to back.

As an 'anti-tunnel' perk, it's a stick instead of a carrot, so it needs to have some threat to it. If you've used it once, then it's used up and can no longer function as a deterrent.

Anti-tunnelling perks work as a deterrent.

Old DS worked because all killers expected all survivors to be running it.

Now that DS is less ubiquitous, killers just tunnel and pick people straight up, gambling against decent odds that they won't had DS.

Once DS is used, that deterrent is gone, and the killers have nothing to stop them from tunnelling.

Old DS definitely had it's problems, it was easily abusable, so the changes were good. But in making it less attractive of a perk, killers have no reason to fear it with every survivor, so they don't hesitate to tunnel. A second charge would bring that fear back.

How is that different from DS before the most recent nerf? You hook, you tunnel them off the hook, you eat the DS, you tunnel again. This was fine before. How is it no longer fine when this sequence of events remains unchanged from the previous iteration of DS?

It's perfect as it is now, I wouldn't change it any further.

Honestly, I think it got over nerfed and I'm a killer main, I only wanted people to not be able to work on a gen and or hide in lockers when they were doing a gen then hop in the locker to force the pick up.

This thing that DS now doesn't let them heal just isn't what I wanted it to be, sure it is really healthy right now but I think it is kinda weak now.

Killers learned to respect DS because literally everyone was running it. Now, DS was nerfed and survivors don't run it as often because they can't just sit at a gen while keeping their DS. The overall utility of the perk has completely shifted and now it's solely for anti tunneling purposes, but not many people used it for its anti tunneling purposes clearly because people stopped running it. Killers realize this too and even when there's an obsession in the game, the chance of you being hit with DS is now less likely. Whereas before, the chance of you being hit by DS if you tunneled someone was practically 100%.

I'm all for the DS changes you suggested. It's just going to discourage tunneling people, which is always a plus in my books and the EGC should disable it so DS isn't necessarily a free escape once you get unhooked.

My opinion is that when I play killer it is much easier to tunnel.

Killers who proxy camp and don't necessarily make themselves known as far as going back to the hook immediately, will more than likely go back and for that person who just got unhooked because god forbid you've already touched a gen or you got a 1 second heal on yourself because that still counts as "you're not being tunneled". lmao

Even though we all know it is. Even though we all know EGC unhooks (while understandable) are somehow considered tunneling while there is nothing else to do but patrol the hook. Like something doesn't add up. 😂

What they should have done is, instead of the timer depleting immediately, it should deplete over time. Because this prevents from those scenarios from happening, where the killer is just cutting corners to proceed to tunnel the same person (IE give the person a little bit of breathing room).

My main problem with DS was not people working on the gen while it was still active. Because people like that who got cocky never even got to use it, and most likely went down 2 seconds after. My main problem was during EGC. Where someone can just walk out because DS is still active.

Nowadays though, I am ok with them leaving that in. Considering how much they have already neutered this perk.

You only know you're not getting hit by it if you see the person who was unhooked doing something that turns it off. That doesn't change a whole lot IMO.