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Dear entitled Survivor mains, please listen ;)

I just want to clear some things up. I have recently been hearing survivor mains say "WHY IS HE TUNNELING ME?!? "DUDE HES TRASH HE IS TUNNELING ME!!". I'm going to tell you entitled survivor mains the TRUE meaning of TUNNELING. Tunneling is not when the killer downs you off hook instantly. If the survivor who unhooked you is healthy, and you're running away, you're an easy down for the killer. Think of it this way. Would you rather do a generator that's at 10% or 90%? Realistically and logically, you'd do the 90% because it's the easiest way to get your objective done. It's the same thing for killer. Tunneling is when THE KILLER DILBERATLEY CHASES YOU FOR THE ENTIRE MATCH AND DOES NOT GO FOR ANOTHER SURVIVOR IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I hope that clears things up.

Comments

  • justbecause
    justbecause Member Posts: 1,521

    Are you complaining about people complaining about killers who tunell them straight off? I play both sides equally and survs has every right to complain about tunelling straight off of hook... Just like killers complain about dead hard that gives survs distance to safe loop they didn't deserve... Same way they can complain about killer who tunell to get down they didn't deserve....I main plague and Pig two average dbd killers and never tunelled anyone and always manage to get 3-4k you can play how u want but when u play like a dick don't complain when someone calls you out

  • Imagine_Milk
    Imagine_Milk Member Posts: 95

    First of all, you went way off-topic. Second of all, your point is not visible to me. Third of all, when was I complaining about something?

  • justbecause
    justbecause Member Posts: 1,521

    I didn't went off topic you called them entitled because someone not giving them option to play... Because you mentioned downing them straight off of hook first of all how did u find urself there immediately if u ain't camping to tunell them back? Also how exactly u think to pressure gens and game by going for same person over and over? Tunelling ain't it unless endgame and if they got hard tunell I support them in their "entitlement" just like I support killer in their "entitlement" if they got screwed over with dead hard or old ds etc etc

  • Johnny_XMan
    Johnny_XMan Member Posts: 6,432

    By definition tunneling is ignoring everyone else and only chasing the one person. I don’t know what point you are trying to make.

    Tunneling is what it is called.

    Now if you have additional context to add, then yeah it might be called something else. Like survivors farming a person for absolutely no reason.

  • Imagine_Milk
    Imagine_Milk Member Posts: 95
    edited May 2021

    ok so, your basically admitting that your entitled yourself.?

    so your basically admitting that your entitled yourself?

  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,245

    I am a 50/50 player and have never PURPOSEFULLY hit the person off the hook. Why? Because it is cheap to me. I have no issues getting 3/4ks majority of the time without ANY form of tunneling. I have been red rank survivor/killer longer than most "killer mains" or "survivor mains" have even played the game.

    How do I play killer? How I would like my killers to play. I believe in karma and would not want to be that killer who makes a match completely unfun for another player. So I don't tunnel (in any form), camp, teabag, etc.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458
    edited May 2021

    No; it doesn't. It hasn't "evolved" or any such nonsense. Whining, mewling morons continue to call anything they don't like Camping or Tunneling or Slugging. They do this because they want to blame their personal failures on something else, and try to grief the Killer at the same time. The point of these, incorrect, accusations is to lie oneself. Tunneling has the exact same meaning now that it did then, there are just more STUPID people who can't be bothered to be accurate in the use of terms. There is no such animal as the term you are trying to define, because the DEVs have stated that going after the recently unhooked person is a completely legal, valid choice. It is just called, hunting. Get it? We don't get to redefine the terms anyway we see fit.

  • wxnickxw
    wxnickxw Member Posts: 740

    Tunneling can be annoying, although it is kinda funny when the survivor being tunneled runs through a palet bt a waiting survivor and the killer keeps chasing right into the stun.


    I only play survivor with a friend or two so we can prevent the tunneling, although I feel for solo players not much can be done there.


    Camping on the otherhand can't really do anything about the camped survivor jsit basically had to sit a match out. But I know many killers rely on it so much they will complain about any proposed change that may stop there camping

  • Squirrel_Thicc
    Squirrel_Thicc Member Posts: 2,677

    That's not necessarily entitlement, it's more using a word in a place it doesn't fit.

  • alaenyia
    alaenyia Member Posts: 650

    I am literally an English Language major, so for one group consensus is a language changer, in the actual world well beyond this tiny pond. Second there is no excuse for playing toxic and tunneling people out of the game. If you bothered to read my post you would see that I fully admit it is not against the rules in any way. I just said that ENTITLED killers have no right to clutch their pearls after a match when survivors call them on there purposeful toxic behavior. Basically, if you want to play cheap, lazy and skill-free the devs won't stop you but just own it instead of coming here complaining about being attacked.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458
    edited May 2021

    I have a Masters in English; we both know such things are irrelevant to this discussion. As you point out, this tiny pond doesn't get to to define squat. Moreover, since we share an interest in the English language, I trust you understand the definition of a glittering generality? The term "toxic" is meaningless, a glittering generality intended to invoke an emotional response with no actual support or reasoning behind it. People use the word "toxic" to define anything and everything they don't like. Thus, there is no agreed upon meaning to the word. Use of glittering generalities is a cheap, lazy way to simulate making an actual argument, a skill-free rhetorical trick.

    For the record, I play both Survivor and Killer in equal measure. I did not complain about being attacked. I pointed out that stupid people use incorrect vocabulary and like to whine and blame others for their personal failures. Regardless of whether I'm playing Killer or Survivor, I own my failures with the same passion that I take credit for my victories. When a match ends and the Killer destroyed me and my fellow Survivors, I give said person a congratulations and thank them for the game. When Survivors destroy me as the Killer, I do the same. There is no such thing as entitled Killers or entitled Survivors, because that is a false dichotomy. There are entitled Players, however, and you clearly are one.

  • KerJuice
    KerJuice Member Posts: 1,907

    Regardless of the term, it’s pretty much a dick move. I used to do that a lot as killer and had the same EXACT thought process, until I got to feel it done to me quite a few times as survivor- so I stopped. When you’re on hook, you have no control over who pulls you off or when. There are newbies and jerks who will pull you off right after a hook, or bring the killer towards you while in chase and unhook you. It’s not fun to get insta downed. There’s games where you literally don’t get to play cause the killer just comes back, downs you, and hooks you again. This mechanic is flawed. Someone once joked to me you should be able to kick survivors in the face if you don’t want to be unhooked at that moment. I laughed at first but then thought- he’s right! And yes, there are perks like BT and DS, but killers just wait out the time for BT, and DS is circumvented by getting slugged. So now you get to lay on the floor for a few while the killer hovers and chases teammates away. Good times.

  • kaeru
    kaeru Member Posts: 1,568
    edited May 2021

    I had a survivor that blame me tunneling with starstruck and agitation. Imagine me tunneling while having survivor on shoulder.

    You have to chase, down and pick up someone to tunnel another survivor. Does it make any sense?

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458
    edited May 2021

    Now this is a good post. I agree; it would be nice if the hooked Survivor could choose NOT to be unhooked. I rather like the idea of kicking the person trying an unsafe rescue in the face. But you kind of hit on a key point here, that the problem isn't the Killer but rather a Survivor that is causing the situation. It is the unsafe rescue which is stupid, not the Killer simply pursuing his/her objective.

    For example, every now and then some moron goes to the zoo and climbs into an animal enclosure. More often than not it is some dangerous animal they have decided to commune with. When the tiger (or whatever) kills the moron, nobody blames the tiger. It was just doing its job. The tiger didn't create the situation; it was just there. Most bad experiences that Survivors have can be traced back to the actions of other Survivors. Killers are just doing their job, and living up to their name.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,783

    If you can only hold M1 on a gen, you have no skill.

    See how dumb that sounds?

  • KerJuice
    KerJuice Member Posts: 1,907

    That is an excellent point. However as killer, I defer to the old “Do unto others...” quote, cause I don’t like how it feels when it’s done to me. Sometimes I get legit mad at a particular player who keeps pulling someone off in front of me intentionally. I make sure they die- while letting the other player(s) escape the match.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458
    edited May 2021

    And I can completely respect you exercising your Player agency to hold yourself back. I don't think anyone takes issue with individual Killers choosing what they will and won't do. What is important, however, is that we don't start to expect that other people be held to our individual codes of behavior. We should not be giving Killers or Survivors grief or getting salty unless they actually break the rules. All any Player has to abide by, in Dead by Daylight, to be a good sport is:

    1. Don't cheat, either by hack or lag spike.
    2. Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
    3. Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.

    As long as my opponents abide by these three things they deserve nothing but my respect and courtesy. Neither I, you, or anyone else has the right to lecture them or whine away about their behavior. The rules are known; we don't get to add extra ones. Any morals and morays we wish to apply to ourselves are fine though, and I commend you on them.

  • PigMainBigBrain
    PigMainBigBrain Member Posts: 1,893

    Most survivors don't know the difference....on top of this...most survivors don't make smart NOR SAFE SAVES!

    I maybe leave the hook and have my back turned 20 meters away and theres a guy (I CAN SEE YOUR SCRATCH MARKS BY THE WAY) running toward the hook at break neck speed.....its dumb....its not safe....and if I miss hitting the guy going for the save you just ######### over your friend....good job.