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Has anyone figured out Trickster yet? *Update* I figured him out.
I can't even get a down with him a lot of games. If a survivor blocks line of sight I can do nothing. And he is so slow that they are one exhaustion perk away and I will never catch them. How do you get downs with Trickster? In the amount of time it takes me to finish one chase all of my gens are gone. Constructive feedback only please.
Update: Don't bother playing him. Nemesis is much more fun and moves at full speed. Trickster is too underpowered to be a 110% speed killer. Can you do well with him? Yes. Is it much harder than on other killers? Yes. And there is no reason for it. It's like BHVR was afraid he would be overpowered at full speed. Well, I for one would REALLY like to see if that is the case. For now I'm giving up on him. And I regret buying him and spending all that time leveling him up.
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Pick up every Add-On that talks about ricochet and speed increase, and be aggressive af.
That's all I have.
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Ppl helped me and now i placed Trickster as a Mid Tier killer, she is viable and playable even without addons, seek help here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/246859/help-me-get-kills-with-trickster-please/p1
The build im having the most success with is:
- Shadowborn
- Ruin
- Pop
- Thrilling Tremors
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trickster needs a complete rework from the ground up. right now his (ranged) power is only valid-ish on melee ....
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You go to the top left of your screen before you que and you switch to Huntress or Deathslinger, that's how you play Trickster well.
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Hold W straight at survivors while throwing knives and not missing them. Don't m1 healthy people, you can get in a bunch of knives as they sprint away if you injure them with knives.
And that's it, you kind of just do that a bunch. Also, learn his timing so you can play maze tiles better, generally speaking you can get in a knife or two every time you turn a corner.
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I think I am going to really need Monitor and Pop on him. I have Thrilling but I feel like I need really strong on perks on him to have a chance and i don't have them yet.
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@GodLikeTerror Is the guy to go to for this. According to the DBD stats he is the 3 best trickster user in this game. That guy is a pro trickster. But just don't try to use your knifes when you can M1, use M1 in situations when you get an opportunity.
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It is kinda useful to use your knives when a survivor is out in the open instead of M1ing for that quick cooldown to blade spam and then down. I'm not the best Trickster player so idk
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I'm using Ruin, Pop and BBQ.
The last perk has been a lot harder to pick STBFL, Discordance and Monitor have been ok
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Trickster is like a training wheel Deathslinger, but without lethality.
he plays the same, with the only difference being that you dont get punished at all for missing a shot, but you also dont really get rewarded for hitting one either.
basically, if you wanna do well then drop Yi Woon for Caleb.
i know this sucks, but thats the way it is. lets just hope BHVR actually updates his power to be something unique in the near future - like making the ricochet add on basekit or buffing his movementspeed to 4.6 m/s.
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No because smart survivors will circle around you if you get close to them and cause to waste more knifes and time. So in those cases take whack them. And in some cases trying to use your knifes when a survivor is front of your face it takes more time to use knifes if they start going left and right.
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That's fair.
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- Know where your power is good. A Trickster with good accuracy can get downs insanely quickly in dead zones or between loops. If you can set it up so Survivors have to contest areas full of filler pallets, DO IT.
- Monitor and Abuse. If you can approach Survivors without giving them LoS on you, a tiny 16m Terror Radius gives them next to no time to get to a powerful section of the map.
- Get good at moon walking and mind gaming. Unless you are great at mind gaming with M1 gameplay, Survivors can run you for a very *very* long time at most high wall tiles. For that reason, Sloppy Butcher is actually much better on him than you might think.
- I personally find Oppression is a great perk on him. Since you're a 110% killer, you can't always get to the Gen you need to be at when you need to be there, but sometimes you can get to a closer gen that also has progress and mail them a surprise hard skill check. They'll miss it, blow up the gen, panic now that you know where they are and leave, thus saving the Gen.
- Get good at noticing weak links in the Survivor team and avoiding strong loopers unless they're in a bad spot. This kinda goes for all Killers but it is especially true for Trickster.
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You'll get a lot of value from monitor and pop because he's slow. He's lethal in most places on the map with 2 exceptions; shack and TL walls. Treat pallets and vaults like pyramid head. You will get a lot of hits and injuries at those. Avoid mindlessly holding his daggers at the ready because you move even slower. Its better to chase until close and then switch to his daggers, like plague.
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Monitor is one I figured would be very good on Trickster. The 110% speed really, really irritates me though. I generally don't like 110% killers at all and finding out he is one was really disappointing. I might not have bought him if I had known that. I deliberately went in blind and it never occurred to me that he could so slow for no good reason.
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Trickster is about on the same level as Bubba. They are both REALLY good for camping with and DEFENDING the basement. That is what I have found they both of them do best.
His concept is REALLY interesting and I actually find him REALLY fun to play! I have enjoyed playing him, as he IS fun. BUT his baseline abilities are extremely WEAK. When it comes to chases, generator pressure and damage output.
His strengths are PALLETS and Camping. IMO.
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I feel this way because:
- His throwing knives provide MINIMAL impact to providing damage.
- His movement speed is MUCH too slow for him.
When it comes to interrupting HOOK rescues. hes GREAT at it. I can use "knife spam" to prevent a hook rescue and that is one thing about him, that really is nice! Especially basement defense. With a full set of BLADES. A person can sit down and at the base of the steps, looking upwards and when there is a hooked survivor. Their friends are mounting a rescue party. They will come through, start taking damage and quickly turn AROUND because it is an EFFECTIVE method to deny an AREA. Especially there!
When it comes to FACE CAMPING.
The Trickster does this effective too. Because even under a full set of blades and borrowed time. It quickly over-comes Borrowed time and plays VERY well!
his "grab" ability is ON POINT! Very well done! I can grasp survivors that are making a rescue. because the Animation triggers for his action abilities such as "grab" are smooth, accurate and makes him VERY viable this way!
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I'm not all that good, but I kind of treat Trickster like Huntress; I wait for vaults and pallet drops to knife people. They are wasting some of the run-away speedup in the vault/pallet animation when my knives injure them.
After that, if I don't see many openings to put a bunch of knives in them, I just loop them and M1.
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Went back to my old main Legion after playing Trickster for a while and the difference is just staggering.
I know they are 2 completly different killers and it's probably mostly me being bad at trickster but he desperatly needs work
Just something that makes the normal high wall tiles playable
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Use faster throwing and faster laceration. Hit your blades. Use monitor, ruin, pop and discordance. Gives alotnof info and defense along side monitor for that small terror radius. Hes still weak, especially on certain maps but if you play on console aiming will be harder due to recoil etc.
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In all honesty, don't worry about gens. Just focus on chasing and being as accurate with your knives as you can.
Then switch to Huntress or Deathslinger and you will notice a significant improvement in your gameplay with them.
Seriously. Practicing Trickster makes you much better with the other two because they only have to hit a survivor once for a health state.
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we've figured out he's about as bad as we thought he was, no twins one trick pony style of play that works for him he's just bad.
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I haven't heard of this site before, but I'm trying to use it. Is there a way to see how I rank compared to others? I just see stats about my games but nothing comparing me to others.
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On the right side of the screen there is a "perfect games (survivor)" with a drop arrow. You click on it and there is stats for different options. But I think it only show stats for steam users. But no it just shows you stats, you can't compare.
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There's not much to figure out. He's one of the worst killers they've ever released.
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Sounds about right.
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There's nothing to figure out. He does everything huntress can do but 8x worse.
He has the worst of both m1 and ranged killer worlds.
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I would highly recommend watching Dowsey if you want to learn how to play Trickster.
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Don't waste time on meaningless chases if you know they are gone don't go looking head to a gen to kill someone else I've played a little trickster he's ok not the best but ok he benefits from altruistic survivors who go in for saves when you're still at hook also his perk that blocks windows is a huge help I found it stops long loops with windows like shack
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Dowsey has Legion listed as one of the worst killers in the game and has Trickster labelled a solid C tier killer. I now believe that missing more than a few crayons out of the box and wouldn't trust anything he said after that.
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I've tried playing a few games with him to work out his strengths, and how to play him lately since I like his design, and I can confidently say this:
He doesn't have a specific strategy and play-style that makes him good - he's just bad.
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He can't hit people from long-range due to the single straight-forward shots and obstacles. (Play Huntress)
He can't hit people from medium-range reliably due to his low speed and high hit requirements. (Play Deathslinger)
He can hit people reliably at close range IF you're a good shot, but other killers get rewarded for this better. (Play Billy, Leatherface, Meyers, basically anyone else at 4.6, Huntress, Slinger)
He can't counter loops if the obstacles are high. (Play literally anyone else)
He can play around loops with low obstacles, but these are few and others still benefit from this more. (Huntress, Slinger, Doctor, Nurse, etc.)
He can play stealthy with his low terror radius and size, but others do this better. (Ghost Face, Slinger, Wraith, Pig, Meyers)
He can't contest objectives well with his low speed and lacking crowd control - Main Event is too unreliable. (Play literally anyone else)
He can zone you off loops/windows/pallets in some cases, but everyone else can do this way better. (Play Pyramid Head, Nemesis, Huntress, Slinger, Plague, Demogorgon, etc.)
He can't buy any time with his kit, because it regresses on its own and has no innate time-wasting capabilities. (Play literally anyone else)
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At this point, the only semi-viable way I've gotten success playing with him is using going the stealth route with Monitor and Abuse. Get that first hit with your low terror radius and character model, then run them down with another M1 unless you're lucky enough to catch them in the open or at a bad pallet.
But at that point why not just play a stealth killer? Why not just play a better zone-control killer?
He just doesn't have anything going for him that makes him unique or stand-out in the game, which is ironic because he's an idol who wants to stand-out.
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Know when to use your knives. At tall loops where they have a fair bit of distance on you, don't use them. At mid-range but not at a loop, use them. At loops where you're close, but not close enough to get a hit before they make a window or a pallet, use them. At loops with open spots or ones that don't block LoS, use them.
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I have spent so many blood points trying to get Monitor and Abuse but it's refusing to come up. I got the lowest level on him and haven't seen it since.
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That's honestly good enough.
Unless you care about the field of view aspect to it, the reduced terror radius is 8m regardless of what tier it is. I had to use tier 1 Monitor on him too for the longest time, but fortunately I only cared primarily about the terror radius so other than feeling bad about its tier and perk color it still suited my needs.
Field of view increased on tier up is a nice bonus though, I do admit.
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I'm beginning to think that Trickster is just not viable for me. I want him to either be faster or for his knives to drop people sooner. He feels just too weak for me to play.
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Yeah, I know the feeling.
I love his aesthetics and concept, but his power is so lackluster and unrewarding at the moment. Currently I'm obsessed with the idea of the player being able to tap M2 during a chase to throw a single knife with a second or two cool-down (no movement penalty). He'd be able to drop people slightly sooner in a chase without really raising his power creep, especially since hits on that or other survivor with M1 basically reset his laceration stacks at the moment.
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I figured out enough to get his Adept. But he is one of the worst killers, in my opinion.
His blades can work simply as a way to panic the survivors. To use them effectively, high level add-ons are best used.
When a survivor is a tight area, like some of the corridors in Gideon, just bombard them with the blades.
Starstruck combined with Infectious Fright is handy.
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So far my best map has been Midwich.
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