More matches, less SWF dodging

@Master said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Lol funny, the killer main community was asking since years  to give them an indication that they face swf groups to equip themselves better for it (others just simply dodge).
However, the last indication they had is gone.
Whatever, I think as a solo I can benefit from that in the long run. I got dodged a lot of times just for the reason that I joined the looby simultaneously with other randoms.

The question is whether it is desireable to give no indication for SWF at all.
As long as DCing isnt punished properly, killers last resort is a DC vs SWF

Well, you can answer it yourself. What does the matchmaking change aim to achieve: equalized queue times or killers' desire to exclusively play versus 4 solos?

Given that it removes the killer's ability to abuse lobby dodging to avoid SWF (but still not any other reason like dodging lobbies with survivors using too many items, having too many hours, having troll-y names, streamers, wearing paid cosmetics, using certain characters, etc.), I think it is fair to address last second switching next.

Great. So now we'll never know if we're facing a SWF team.

There better be some SWF nerfs to compensate.

I honestly hate killing a solo survivor first. Since I've seen SWF teams try and lead me, (or to me when I'm a survivor) so killer changes targets from their friends.

They're just #########.

There's a reason why people hate playing against SWF, and most of the time, it is the extra communication they get out of game. To completely track and outwit the killer with the "bonus aura perk" that lets them replace all aura perks with annoying perks like DS and adrenaline.

It's why 2-3 gens can get done within the first chase, cause of looping. Since they instantly know when killer is busy chasing and not gen checking.

I actually like the thrill of the hunt. Why I liked Evolve Version 1. That after all the hide and seek, you became the hunter.

The difference is. Evolve made sure it was balanced for parties that had coms, while DBD just does nothing about it.

Evolve v2 stripping away all the hide and seek hunting, making combat happen much quicker, and look what happened. Game's dead.

I know it doesn't apply to Rank 1 high game, but it's incredibly frustrating for the mid rank.

I think it's relevant to compare the two games, because it's the same monetary system in place. New paid characters, free maps, and NO other gamemodes.

That's why looping is such an epidemic. Quadruple for SWF teams. Because if they know a killer is being looped, they're free to gen rush.

I stopped buying new chapters for this game for a reason. Because countless balance changes without actually adding any new content, is absurd. The game needs variety, variables, beyond just perk load-outs.

There needs to be something to mix up games. like instead of Gens, water pumps that drain a new area or something.

Like if the game had no hex totems, and then added them. That's a worthwhile new content update, but the devs refuse to do anything unique anymore, and instead try to shovel ######### game balance due to the bonus ability of outside coms.

@apropos said:

What's an easy cheat violation?

Easy Anti Cheat. It's an automated system side-loaded that catches folks who have hacked or modified the game. Load up into a lobby with a person who's made of mess of themselves and it disbands the lobby and notifies you why you're sitting back at the character selection screen.

@apropos said:
I didn't realize that many people dodged SWF. How does anyone know... I mean, can't a regular group of randoms all appear at the same time as well?

I've had so many times killers think that I was playing in SWF when there were actually 4 solos. I've also had plenty times where I thought it was a 4 stack, when in actuality, it's 2 team SWF at most with 2 consistently matched solos.

Honestly, it's often an excuse for killers to jump to when they do badly/have a bad game.

eighttailedfox said:

Great. So now we'll never know if we're facing a SWF team.

There better be some SWF nerfs to compensate.

I honestly hate killing a solo survivor first. Since I've seen SWF teams try and lead me, (or to me when I'm a survivor) so killer changes targets from their friends.

They're just #########.

There's a reason why people hate playing against SWF, and most of the time, it is the extra communication they get out of game. To completely track and outwit the killer with the "bonus aura perk" that lets them replace all aura perks with annoying perks like DS and adrenaline.

It's why 2-3 gens can get done within the first chase, cause of looping. Since they instantly know when killer is busy chasing and not gen checking.

I actually like the thrill of the hunt. Why I liked Evolve Version 1. That after all the hide and seek, you became the hunter.

The difference is. Evolve made sure it was balanced for parties that had coms, while DBD just does nothing about it.

Evolve v2 stripping away all the hide and seek hunting, making combat happen much quicker, and look what happened. Game's dead.

I know it doesn't apply to Rank 1 high game, but it's incredibly frustrating for the mid rank.

I think it's relevant to compare the two games, because it's the same monetary system in place. New paid characters, free maps, and NO other gamemodes.

That's why looping is such an epidemic. Quadruple for SWF teams. Because if they know a killer is being looped, they're free to gen rush.

I stopped buying new chapters for this game for a reason. Because countless balance changes without actually adding any new content, is absurd. The game needs variety, variables, beyond just perk load-outs.

There needs to be something to mix up games. like instead of Gens, water pumps that drain a new area or something.

Like if the game had no hex totems, and then added them. That's a worthwhile new content update, but the devs refuse to do anything unique anymore, and instead try to shovel ######### game balance due to the bonus ability of outside coms.

purebalance said:

@Visionmaker said:

@Master said:

@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Lol funny, the killer main community was asking since years  to give them an indication that they face swf groups to equip themselves better for it (others just simply dodge).
However, the last indication they had is gone.
Whatever, I think as a solo I can benefit from that in the long run. I got dodged a lot of times just for the reason that I joined the looby simultaneously with other randoms.

The question is whether it is desireable to give no indication for SWF at all.
As long as DCing isnt punished properly, killers last resort is a DC vs SWF

Well, you can answer it yourself. What does the matchmaking change aim to achieve: equalized queue times or killers' desire to exclusively play versus 4 solos?

Given that it removes the killer's ability to abuse lobby dodging to avoid SWF (but still not any other reason like dodging lobbies with survivors using too many items, having too many hours, having troll-y names, streamers, wearing paid cosmetics, using certain characters, etc.), I think it is fair to address last second switching next.

So when survivors lobby dodged to ENSURE they got with their friends SWF was created. When killers dodge to avoid them they stop it.

@purebalance said:

@powerbats said:

@purebalance said:

It 100% is not invalid. They hadn't implemented it and SAW that they were dodging to get grouped. The response to that which would be similar to this is that they cannot see who is in their lobby rather than implement it to reward them.

That's like a parent who planned to give their kids ice cream and instead the kids raid the freezer. You don't as a parent reward that.

So argument is 100% valid.

So something that was planned but didn't make it in time for release but was implemented shortly afterwards is invalid because you say it is? That logic I mean I can say all your posts are invalid because I say they are, which btw is the flat earthers logic.

Also the parents wouldn't have given them ice cream the same night but would've done so further down the road.so both your arguments are invalid and now you're arguing just to argue knowing you have no argument anymore.

Ad Arguendo.

So you really can't read can you? I said it's silly to reward SWF for the same behavior of dodging. People countered with "oh it was planned all along" as if that matters. They still rewarded them for doing the same thing.

Since you want to try to act like the scenario didn't fit I'll rephrase it since ice cream is 100% easy to keep getting etc.

Parents plan on getting kids a dog. Kids instead steal all the dogs from all of the neighbors. Parents would no longer get the kids the dog after pulling that nonsense and wouldn't down the line. They don't deserve it.

Oh I can read just fine, you just don't want to get your head out of of your false narrative even when it's been proven to be false.

They didn't reward swf for dodging when they'd already planned to add that feature beforehand. The fact you don't like that fact is telling because you know it blows a very large hole in your narrative.

They didn't reward them for doing anything by adding a long planned feature and how you thing that faulty logic is any good makes it hard to take you seriously on anything you write.

If you think about this logicall and factually, yes I know that's hard at times but if it was done as a reward for bad behaviour then explain this.

How did they manage to have the coding all done and ready so soon after release and ready for launch if they didn't already have it planned all along? I mean they didn't just magically have all that code written in a few weeks, tested and launched bug free in response to that dodging issue.

See that last paragraph just sank your battleship of twisted facts and bad logic to the bottom of the bad arguments ocean where it belongs.

I await your net attempt at twisting the facts to fit your argument.

I'm sure I'm part of that small group of people that are using this new algorithm before it gets pushed to the next playerbase tier. I'm saying this because where I used to wait 5-10 minute for queues, I'm now getting them in under 2. The problem I'm getting is that a good portion of those games have higher than normal pings to survivors as well as the miscellaneous green rankers in my red lobby. I do appreciate the faster lobby times tho.

steezo_de said:

I'm sure I'm part of that small group of people that are using this new algorithm before it gets pushed to the next playerbase tier. I'm saying this because where I used to wait 5-10 minute for queues, I'm now getting them in under 2. The problem I'm getting is that a good portion of those games have higher than normal pings to survivors as well as the miscellaneous green rankers in my red lobby. I do appreciate the faster lobby times tho.