Doctors who only 3 Gen.

I had the game against good Doc with 3 gened situation a half a year ago on Saloon. (One generator was nearby to the windmill, 2nd one was btw the windmill and the shack and the last one was on the backyard. All of these gens probably have 8 26 (at least) meters distance between each other)

He was using add-on that makes area of shock therapy to 24m beam. And he also had "Impossible skill checks" build. 20 minutes me and my teammates were trying to repair the last generator. We all tried to repair separate gens too and still didn't succeed. We're starting to lose patience and be more greedy for gens and he slugged us after all.

What he only did in these 20 minutes was shocking the area where gens are and using blast per 60 seconds (spamming it)

I love Doctor but the situation like these, make the game to be hostage simulator lol

Blood warden it's a bad perk, and it require hooking a survivor at the end game, noed it's the only things remotely near a second chance perk and no way out, it's just 20 second, most of the time when I arrive at the exit gate as a survivor the effect it's already off

Killers with low map pressure can have literally 0% chance to win against coordinated teams on larger maps unless they resort to tactics such as camping, 3 genning and tunnelling. They simply cannot get around the map fast enough to stop the gens being completed.

A killer who is defending his 3 gen is most likely actively going out his way to avoid camping or tunnelling by adopting a much less frowned upon strategy. Fair play to them I say.

You may consider Blood Warden a bad perk - doesn't mean it's not a 2nd chance perk. And FYI No Way Out can last up to 42 seconds.

Just because YOU don't like a perk doesn't change the fact that they are second chance perks for killers.

Well good keep camping while I get Gene's done 🤤

Thank the lord I use calm spirit

The last 3-gen Doctor I've seen was years ago, way before his rework.

And I don't think it is a problem, just a strategy.

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There actually situations where doctors can make it impossible to finish gens.

I think if it last longer then 20-30 minutes it falls into the category simular to survivors hiding when there are 2 left and can be seen as holding the game hostage.

Does probably require video evidence to show he didn't try to chase at all and such but yeah

First of all it's not just me, 90% of the community know that this perk are bad, like really bad, plus they're not as impactfull as the survivor second chance perk.

This perk at best do something, at worst are pretty ######### worthless, blood warden need so much work behind to do something that is so depressing that literally make me want to use huntress lullaby instead of this.

And no way out it's a perk design to make the end game less painful, when it's a close call between killer and survivor (for example, you hooked one person, no way out does almost nothing for you) because if you could hook every individual survivor it means that you was doing not too badly, and even at his best, no way out its still a mediocre perk that often don't do anything.

You can't compare this perk to things like Unbreakable or ds, or adrenaline that can literally win games with they're own existent, and since the work you have to put on them, they're not second chance

DS is only a second chance perk if YOU the killer decide to go after the unhooked survivor. I couldn't tell you the last time I had DS used on me even BEFORE the rework. If you are getting DS - that's a situation you put yourself in the majority of the time as killer. Otherwise DS is just a waste of a perk slot so long as the killer doesn't tunnel. I don't need to tunnel to get 3-4ks on killer when I play: Doctor, Huntress, Plague, and Hag are my main killers I play.

Unbreakable - uhhh don't slug. Tada - another wasted perk slot.

As a survivor I know how to counter things like Blood Warden - someone is down - don't open gate until they are on hook - tada I just wasted your perk. Same goes with killers - Don't wanna be DS or have a survivor use UB - don't tunnel and slug - tada you just wasted their perks.

Acting like & saying survivors are the only ones with second chance perks - is a blatant lie. When you post with "main" bias it shows and makes those of us who can look at things objectively just roll our eyes at your hyperbole.

90% of the community - please stop making up BS statistics. #1 The forums ARE NOT a representation of the community as a whole. #2 There has been NO poll for the ACTUAL community on these perks. Pulling numbers out of your butt is just another hyperbolic move and does nothing to validate your statement - it does however make you look silly when you start to speak for 90% of the community without merit.

3 gens are only strong if some people are already dead. There is no way 4 healthy survivors cannot break any 3 gen held by any killer.

Sure, doctor can be annoying and make it difficult, but after extra few minutes the one of the gens is done 9 out of 10 times.

If one or 2 survivors are already dead, well then thats gg I guess

Doctor is a tough 3 gen for me too - moreso than some of the other Killers because of his awareness abilities. Some of how you counter that is the luck of having aware teammates but if you can wrangle everyone together it's fairly easy (albeit tedious and slow) to just work in opposition of his pattern.

What I tend to do is bait one of his three gens. Run up, tap it, back away, etc. If you can convince him that you really want that gen there's a chance he'll just focus on guarding that specific one while the rest of your team can tackle the others. It doesn't always work but at least if you die you're out of the match which was going to take awhile anyways! 😃

So then it is by definition a second chance perk? Does it give a second change? Yes? Then clearly it IS a second chance perk and your attitude with this is odd considering how demonstrably wrong you would have to be to think otherwise. Regardless of if you get the second life or not out of a perk doesn't matter.

That is like saying you didn't get any use out of Corrupt Intervention so its not a gen perk.

Cool, couldn't care less because thats not common at all and you are in the rare amount of players. This is just a anecdotal fallacy really.

This is news to me, what about if all the gens are getting popped and you are vsing a bully squad so you have no chance to kill anyone unless you tunnel?

What about when you hook someone, and then they run off then you find them later but because the time hasn't been lost they jump into a locker and you couldn't find any other person to chase? Is it your fault now you have to eat DS, or waste time waiting?

These are just some situations.

AND isn't put into ANY SITUATION in which it is mandatory to capture the survivor, such as off hook at end game collapse, ect.

Then you are never put into a situation in which you need too, you are incredibly lucky, or the survivors you play are not good.

Another second life situational perk that is meta that you think is bad. Your takes are so bad, what about the situation of last gen is getting popped but you have to down the person near you and slugg as the only method to gain any pressure?

What about if the survivors made a mistake you capitalized on that required you to slug?

Again, these are both clutch perks that stop plays the killer can make, even if they are justified in doing so.

Not many people think Blood Warden is good, most run it as a filler perk for end game strats and that is it.

Killers do not have perks that outright give them a second chance in the game with no justification.

NOED can't even be used till end game, and Devour Hope requires hook and still can be destroyed at any point in the game before you even get its requirement, which are the only two perks at the top of my head that I could see you even argue this for.

90% of the community - please stop making up BS statistics.

I would agree with this.

#1 The forums ARE NOT a representation of the community as a whole.

Correct, however the more active community are on these social areas. The casual who plays once a week before he goes to work is most likely not getting on the board to argue for this game.

#2 There has been NO poll for the ACTUAL community on these perks.

This is the actual community here, as is anything that has to do officially with this game. Its not the entire community, but this is the actual community.

Pulling numbers out of your butt is just another hyperbolic move and does nothing to validate your statement - it does however make you look silly when you start to speak for 90% of the community without merit.

Yes, if there is no justification then this is true and I agree.

While Doctor is certainly more oppressive in a 3 gen scenario, he's still a low mobility M1 killer, who likely won't win if there's 3/4 survivors still alive at the last gen when they're spread out across the map.

His AOE has a cooldown. If he commits to a chase, the others do gens. If he doesn't commit to a chase, run back to the gen.

3 gens with 4 survivors alive is a guaranteed loss for the killer.

Your welcome. I try to bless you plebs with some of my infinite wisdom once a weeks