I’m not so sure on what to do against Make Your Choice + Wraith
It’s a combo that’s basically, you lose or you lose.
You “could” hide by most of the time but they know your general location, ends up catching up to you via trail.
It also forces you to not heal because Wraith is already on his way to fuc* you in the ass.
I can’t even do a gen nearby because im at risk for about 40 seconds.
I ended up using a generic meta survivor build because it’s gotten so bad that I ended up dropping 2 ranks from Red 2.
Edit: I'm not asking to nerf, I'm just saying this is a hard strategy to beat as a solo player.
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Generally only thing to do is hook bomb against players like that. I'd also stay injured and save that way they get no value out of that perk.
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It is certainly an effective Perk on the new Wraith, but let's be blunt, it is an effective Perk for any high mobility Killer. I tend to run Calm Spirit so the only sound they get is the explosion of the unhook, but not my scream. Suddenly being Exposed is a reasonable excuse for slipping away like a Ninja as the unhooked takes off for parts unknown (unless the team is better served by a hook trade). In short, I like to unhook and calmly, but quickly walk to medium range cover and hide. The high mobility Killer swings back and if there aren't any red marks to follow, they rarely do an exhaustive search of more than the terrain immediately around the hook.
Obviously, you never heal at the hook if you suddenly become Exposed when you save. :) While I haven't done it myself, I got rescued by a guy who right after unhooking me (and getting Exposed by the Perk) sabotaged the hook and took off for a corner to maximize his chances of wiggling out (and that had a pallet). It seemed to work him, but then again I don't know how reliable that is in practice. For my own part, I just unhook and hide, but do so a just a little further away. Even as fast as the high mobility types are if you are direct and to the point you can reach some kind of cover before they arrive.
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Hide near a good loop and look for the wraith. When he finds you, loop him. Its ok if you dont sit on a gen in the open when you are exposed.
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I love to run this combo, with BBQ and Devour and all seeing. That way the unhooker can't hide. Combine this with silent bell and it's pretty much ggs.
Only way to really win is like with many killers, gen rush. But, of course that gets hard to do when everyone is exposed and I know where you are at.
Definitely a lethal combo.
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.....People use MYC on Wraith? o.o
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With the added scream, MYC definitely became a stronger and more consistent Perk. Definitely quite dangerous on Wraith.
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Wait a second... are you really complaining that the Wraith is going 40 meters away, instead of camping the hook while invisible?
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That what I'm seeing too lol and acting like make your choice is OP....on Wraith....
Glad you were not in my Demo game last night where I ######### everyone up with make your choice because of my portals.😂
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Sprint Burst is your friend here. You can sit on a gen while exposed and if the Wraith finds you, as he uncloaks just sprint burst away to a loop.
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Wraith now has too many abilities and too much power, so it is natural perks is pushing him over the top and it feels hopeless. Extremely fast map travel, completely stealth, and a lunge that reaches a miles after using his power. HIs gigantic lunge that he has benefit from should be a ultra rare addon or that Twin's perk, NOT a default ability.
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A lot, from what I experienced.
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Sounds like you're envious of his gigantic lunge.
It doesn't matter how big it is, it comes down to how you use it
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I tend to run Pop/MYC/Dragon's Grip/BBQ with all seeing blood / boneclapper or more movement speed. Works really well for me since the wraith buff. But on topic, Sprint burst won't help you on it's own, wraith will just bait it and not uncloak and catch up. Pre drop pallets while exposed could help. Someone Used Deception, Lithe and Dance with me in one game once, but that's dedicating 3 perks to maybe lose chase with a Wraith. Could maybe Combo Borrowed time with Self-Preservation and use Lithe or Sprint Burst and hope the unhooked with BT takes a hit.
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Here we go again, literally every "op killer plz nerf" start like that.
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The killer has to be a considerable distance away from the hook for MYC to proc. Assuming the hook isn't in a complete deadzone, you have some time to position yourself safely once the exposed status effect pops up. As for getting the other survivor off the hook safely, there's never really a reason to not take BT in a match since its buff.
If you can just get the first tile down safely after you're exposed, it's not too much to run a Wraith for the majority of the exposed status effect.
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Anything wraith does now is what he's always been able to do, yet nobody complained before. So what he got a little faster without having to have add ons, i highly doubt that's pushing him over the top. If anything it seems like you're just trying to claim that an average killer getting slightly buffed and then that makes them OP.
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That would be like giving Hillbilly insta-saw by default. He shouldn't be so extremely fast and have a huge lunge without needing something extra for that. There is no counterplay to a wraith that spams his cloak, closes distance. It is NOT fun. A killer should have counterplay and not be so oppressive.
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Only people that say this, are the ones with little lunges. 😁
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Yeah no it wouldnt be like hillybilly insta-saw, which is a down opposed to a free hit on occasion so try that one again. Again he's always been fast, he's just a little faster without having to have addons, not to the point where its a problem. There is plenty of counter play to an M1 killer with no insta down capabilities, that has to uncloak to hit you. Like at this point im not sure what game you're even playing to be complaining about something simple like the wraith....i bet you also think legion is op because he can catch up to you fast...
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Now I feel like you've never played against Wraith. He not only has intense map pressure, but he has Coup De Grace with a speed boost by default. That's badly unbalanced.
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Wraith is the first killer I've main'ed in the game, i feel like ive got a good grasp on what he can and cant do. Cant say the same for you if him of all killers is what you're complaining about. He's got an increased lunge sure but i doubt you're saying the same thing about michael myers, who actually has built in instadowns. Wraith is easily able to be played against if you're smart, but you make it seem like he's the best killer in the game.
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This is just one reason why I hate MYC. I've hated it for a long time now. All it does is promote snowballing off the hook (which is boring and unfun).
Luckily, now that BT has been buffed, you can just leave the unhooked person because they have 15 secs of protection. That's about all you can do unfortunately.
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you can just...be good at chases? Its just up to the survivor's skill if they last in a chase a long time versus an m1 killer in chase as long as they have any sort of tiles available. 60s vs a wraith is easily doable if youre at least half decent.
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Oh baby, you are missing out!
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The survs can simply not position poorly and have some awareness/gamesense so they aren't caught in a deadzone. It's dbd so a lot of players are bad, just because some randoms in the average match die to it, it doesn't mean there isn't anything that can be done about it.
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Don't know the bounty hunter build? My favourite on Wraith because of his silent mobility, compared to Nurse and Billy.
Nemesis + MYC + Furtive Chase
Get your obsession quick, can be forced with Nemesis too, then every next unhook will target a new obsession who will be oblivious and exposed for a minute while you get a few seconds of aura reading on him to know the general direction where you can find your insta down target. Combine with non-directional/silent bell and aura reading addons and the build is almost as effective as Otz's basement Demo with MYC + Territorial
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No, what I'm saying is it's extremely dangerous as the rescuer. I'm not finding the right strategy to counter that. Not because of whatever the hell you said.
Wraith's speed buff allows him to break chase and go towards the last known location.
Thanks for straw manning my statement Bill.
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Yooo holy sh*t my guy that makes Nurse's lunge look pathetic as hell.
You can't buy time with unsafe loops cause he can literally swing the whole away around it lmao.
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I guess survivors always find something to complain about:
- when the killer camps
- when the killer doesn't camp
- when the killer tunnels
- when the killer doesn't tunnel
There really is no winning.
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Sorry you’re having difficulty with this perk.
As someone who despises when killers go back to the hook, I totally understand your frustration. Add to that that it is an invisible character that for all you know just stood outside of the required meter range just keeping tabs on who’s going for the save.
One way I counter this perk (and especially once I know they have it) is to pre-plan for where I am going to be looping. Best option is a safe area with a pallet. The game then becomes out-run the MYC effect while other survivors gen rush.
This is a typical way to counter anyone who keeps going back to the hook because they aren’t patrolling gens.
I know there is not much you can do especially if the hook is in the middle of nowhere. At which point if gens have been done at a pretty good pace, I will go over by the hook wait for someone to save and stand at the hook to confuse the Wraith. This one only works if there is some type of LoS but it’s worked for me in the past.
Hope this gives you at least an idea of how to prepare. 😄
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I mean, I play Myers and it is tiny. Really have to use it wisely. Then when you play with it a bit & level it up - it becomes larger than normal
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You're doing better than me and I still for the life of me hate playing against wraith especially now they've buffed his invisibility I got grabbed off a gen by one didn't hear his crackles or anything just appeared right behind me imagine my embarrassment a rank 4 got grabbed off a gen by wraith lol
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Genuinely surprised they didn't nerf the duration of the Exposed effect when they made this change.
60 seconds feels like forever especially when a high mobility killer zooms back to the hook with 45-50 seconds of Exposed to spare lol
Like I'm happy MYC got buffed but I'm just genuinely surprised they didn't touch the duration at all but hey whatever.
*Quietly slips it onto all my high mobility Killers*
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Yeah I've made a full build dedicated to wraith Myc devour undying and like bbq or something. Hiding is your only option unless they are in basement then they are dead
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Why survivors get mad when we tunnel amd camp myc encourage neither
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Pair it with Starstruck, Agitation and a purple Windstorm + All seeing, not bad at all.
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Eh, I just d/c when I face crap like this. Got a game where Wraith was running Devour, Ruin, and Thrill. All 3 hexes spawned next to each other and he camped them after triggering Devour and kept hooking people between them. Automatic loss, since he was using the aforementioned addons, so he could see us and we couldn't even see him most of the time.
Not worth playing it out.
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I certainly don't condone DCing. But I can understand your frustration with builds that synergize this well with a killer's power and addons
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Me as well. This build is so nasty on him. I do, devour, MYC, BBQ and either Undying/Haunted. Don't even need gen slow down after you get a hook or two. Then it is constant hiding and finding one hit down survivors.
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Wow just wow. Now they going to nerf Make your choice thanks all you wraith and Demo's lol. Remember there is a special criteria of abusable s*it in DBD. Killer perks are not on that list. Keep going and they will revert the wraith and demo buff as well..... you know they will there stats mean everything lmao.
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Immediately run to safety after the unhook. Loop well. Hope your team hasn't created a giant deadzone without also doing the required slamming of gens to make the predrop tactic viable.
And honestly? Just take the hook state. If your team is decent you'll be fine, if they're not then what does it matter? May as well run Babysitter and t-bag the killer for 4 seconds.
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Oh now your gaslighting too
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Not really. Just stating what survivors have been complaining about in the end game screen.
Btw, my favorite complaint was: Long distance face camper (killer dared to look in the direction of the hook, from the other end of the map).
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You do the same thing you do with other killers, you enter ultra-stealth mode and make them waste time searching for you.
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I guess I'm unlucky with my stealth attempts lol, even with Fixated on my side.
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Wow. Just wow. You call this build abusable? You can say that about old hook camping wraith and Freddy who could plain ignore BT or something. But surely not about "builds". This is part and (for me) the biggest fun of the game to find synergies and create strong builds. I mean, this build has it's weaknesses too, you only have one perk left for tracking or slowdown.
You can even counter the build by recognizing it and force the obsession switch to break the cycle or simply try faster unhooks
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Hook camping wraith and freddy got nerfed. Builds as well can be abused and nerfed just like ds was abusable and now not so much. Anyhow since it wasn't clear enough I was being sarcastic to the point of everything being abused and nerfed by behavior. It's just the track record is all. I personally don't have a problem with any build in the game maybe a few perks but that's solely on the frame drops I get when they are used. Looking at you DH and Sloppy.
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