The Amanda's Letter add-on for The Pig has been Kill Switched due to an issue with incorrect RBT count.
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A Proper Killer Tier List
This is also taken into account:
Blight J-flick Before it was taken away.
Addons Limited based on each Killer. I.E Tournament wise for Addons to make it balanced,
So no... Oni does Not get access to Topknot..
Or Hag with Mint + shackles
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You're seriously underestimating Wraith, Plague, and Hag - especially Wraith post-buff, someone who can zoom around the map at 150% as a baseline is not bottom tier - and I feel like Billy is overplaced as #4; he's largely outperformed by similar killers these days, mainly Oni/Blight for mobility and Bubba for ease of chainsaw. There is a reason virtually nobody plays him anymore; his difficulty/reward is way off. Like, Billy's still great if he's being played by somebody who's worked him down to a science, but if you're using the supermax skill ceiling as your baseline for a killer's performance, Huntress should be way higher than middle-of-the-road.
Clown may be a bit overplaced as well, but he performs great in 1v1s, so I'm less bothered by that. Demo definitely does not belong above the likes of Hag, Pyramid Head, Freddy, and Huntress.
Other than that, this feels pretty right to me.
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I think you didn't do justice to a lot of killers. The ones that bugs me most are: Blight isn't S tier, you have to be map independent to be S tier which Blight definitely isn't, especially with his many collision bugs. Billy is definitely not as good as you give him credit, he can rarely use his chainsaw against good loopers who know how to play around his power and even in an open area his chainsaw is not too hard to dodge.
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I'd argue Ghostface, Plague, and Hag are too low and Demo is too high. A few others seem out of place as well but I think they're a little more debatable.
All in all though not a bad tier list IMO.
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Wraith is still a basic 115% killer with nothing to help In chase. Will get out-played by just pre-dropping against Good Survivors. Same with Hag and Plague, Billy still out-performs bubba in many ways than what people don't realize.
Blight is still S tier. His bad maps are Lerys and Hawkins, Swamp is 50/50 but still performs well, Billy can still curve and move at (I believe 170%) M/S kinda hard to counter that on a good Curve
Hag can be countered insanely by good survivors. Stepping on the edge makes her power useless. Not even Scroll-wheel can save her. GF is just a basic 115% aswel with just hidden stain mechanics. pre-drop and he's useless. Plague has to work for her power already which is bad as all hell, She'll get countered instantly by just Blocking LoS,
Edit: Fixed Spelling Errors.
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Also. Clown can technically Force early pallet drops and can get pallets out Waaay faster than bubba can, Demo is placed higher due to his shred potential, It's just too good to not Spam every pallet, He's severely is Underrated by the community, A good Demo is a Very Scary Demo...
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Here's mines.
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Although there's some placements I disagree with, I really like this list.
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I approve.
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I get what you mean but blight is still S tier imo cuz you still can make use of his power very well even on hawkins or swamp. At worst he is a high mobile m1 killer with a free hit potential by getting a suprise hit on a gen. I played blight the past few weeks and the games where I "lost" with 2 escapes or more where only games where I messed up and couldnt apply enough pressure or just straight up sucked.
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You are right that Clown can force pallet drops but that is also his weakness. That still extends the chase time by alot and that makes him very weak. He needs a long time to down a survivor and in the meantime the gens will fly. Thats why sadly Clown still sucks and will stay imo at the buttom C tier despite I really like him.
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You clearly havent played against a good Wraith or Ghostface. These Killers can end chases quicker then any other Killers and that makes them both easily B tier. Ofc this doesnt happen often but it does happen frequent enough. You just nee to play smart but sadly there are not much good players left these days to show the potential.
Deathslinger is on the top B tier but not A tier. If you meet good survivors then this Killer will struggle abit with the chase and that can cost alot of time since hs is a slow killer. Also he struggles with map pressure which survivors can take advantive of and push out gens.
Plague has definatly her weaknisses but she is not low C tier. If you can manage to make good use of your fountain then you can win the game with that 1 time which can be devestating. She can even take a apple addon to get one extra fountain. She is definatly higher, maybe high B tier.
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jflicking still in the game, infact its easier to do than ever, its like the pallet bug they said they "fixed it" but its still there
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He is actually worse in maps like Haddonfield, Autohaven and Swamp. Closed maps are bad for him but in maps like Haddonfield where your power is useless at patrolling gens, Autohaven where the map is cluttered with objects they can circle around to hardcounter your power or Swamp where every object has a 50% chance of having collision Blight can't do a lot against good teams. He is just like Wraith without his stealth in maps like that, his power is only good to catch up or hit people who are out positioned.
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I agree. I think people tend to massively overrate how strong Blight is. Yes, he's incredibly powerful and makes the average killer look like a bad joke. Still, he has too much counterplay to be S tier like Nurse and Spirit. At least, in my opinion. Especially when you take into account just how map dependant he can be. Indeed on some maps, he essentially just turns into an M1 killer with mobility. While that may not sound too bad on paper, if he can't get hits with his power then gens will fly against decent players. He's strong but he's in the A tier I feel, even with J-flicking taken into account.
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Disagree with this tier list but respect
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Well I'm torn if you decide to include the Blight J flick an exploit and not add-ons in game like scalped top knot.
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where even is demo?
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Wraith isn't really countered by predropping pallets unless you're on The Game and you have enough strong pallets to do this until the end of the game. He breaks the pallet, catches up to you in 10 seconds, and you either do the same or go down. Pallets are a finite resource and creating dead zones just makes him that much more lethal later on. His real counter is a good window that he can't quickly switch to the other side of - but a smart Wraith will just zoom to someone else. Guy is not bottom tier.
I'm a little baffled you put him in D and Demo in A when they have many of the same strengths - fiddly undetectable that doesn't really make you undetectable but can get you close to survivors, high map mobility, and a very powerful lunge. Demo can cover more distance faster if he sets up and survivors don't interfere, but Wraith is better on every other count.
Hag requires a team to coordinate and have somebody break her web of traps while she's occupied in chase/bringing someone else to the hook. This never happens in solo, and even SWFs struggle with her, because they still need to know where she placed traps in order to break them. Her ability to immediately be at unhooks, her hexes, and the other side of key pallets/windows is devastating, she can immediately force survivors to leave a loop she doesn't like, and I'd think she belongs in A.
Once she voms on a few people, Plague either has permanent instadown plus anti-stealth, or she has toggleable 60 seconds of being able to damage people at range. Pallets and windows are both death sentences; the best you can do against a Plague with Corrupt Purge who knows what she's doing is to run in circles around a high wall structure and force her to M1 you after waiting out a significant chunk of the timer. Corrupt Purge is particularly devastating at unhooks, group gens, and exit gate parties. Even without her power, Plague is above-average dangerous to healthy players because sickness damage doesn't grant a speed boost like any other hit would be, so if you're in a bad position, she can injure you and then down you without giving you the ability to run to a loop.
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Plague is way too low but otherwise the list fine.
Hag is going to be controversial because she's great until you get into the 99th percentile of comms and coordination and then she's kind of a joke. We both play comp so we've seen it/done it, but it's hard for people to grasp, as snobby as that may sound. Hag has nothing for teams that are patient, tank hits and W up the edges of the maps, and constantly reset.
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this is so terrible, how can clown be above wraith, plague and legion, also on the same tier as bubba and huntress? this is one of the worst lists i've possibly ever seen. And why tf is billy over oni, I can't even. Slinger A tier, #########.
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oh my god took me a lot too see where demo was.
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probably because he's way to high
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hag... b tier...
yeah...no.
she's literally one of the few killers that doesn't even need add-ons to be amazing.
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Teams with high level coordination delete her to the point that she struggles to even get hooks. My team has held Hags to 7 hooks COMBINED over the course of two games.
Because Clown can guarantee hits at every single tile in the game with Flask of Bleach. Clown has some of the best chase potential of any killer.
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and I saw hags completely destroy very coordinated teams with flashlights. point?
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You don't attack a good Hag with flashlights. You take the first hit and hold W up the edge of the map. She either commits to closing the distance at 110 away from her 3 gen while your teammates in position blast a gen with Prove, or she leaves chase and you reset on the safe side. If she hits another teammate, they hold W through a safe area. Rinse repeat. She takes a bad commit or doesn't get a down if the survivors don't slip up. Flashlights have nothing to do with it.
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Ok but is he better than them? no
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3 gen? who said anything about 3 gen? sorry honey, 2 people are already dead so she can afford to chase.
isn't it cool when we randomly put ourselves in a winning position?
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Billy Has access to his power at the start. Oni doesn't. He has to work it for AND can be countered easily by pre-dropping,
No addons can save him from survivors pre-dropping against an oni. denying him not only a hit BUT wasting time aswel.
Clown has Better Anti-loop + Better addons than Wraith. plague and legion, Hell even better than Bubba.
Slinger has faster down potential and can instantly injure without trying. plus it's hard to counter a quickscoping slinger,
Hag is easily countered my guy...
Not even scrollwheel saves her from good Coordinated teams that hugs the edge of the map + activates all of her traps mid-chase or mid-animation
I meant to put plague higher than legion before i saved the tier list. Since she can run Oil + the very rare addon which i forgot what it was called.
People are stubborn as hell to believe Hag is better than Blight.. in which case she isn't...
Wraith will still be countered by good survivors my guy. there is no Denying it, no matter how quickly he can even catch up to you.
He does not have Enough map pressure to make up for that loss of distance. Especially good pathing by survivors.
They do have addons. But Blight J-flick carries him. and topknot is waaaay too op,
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Trickster needs his own F- tier.
I'd move Hag up.
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Blight doesn't need J flick to be where he is. And it's still odd that an exploit counts while an in game add-on does. And what tournament would allow an exploit to be in play?
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Every tournament allows blight and J-flicks.
They allow it since it has Counterplay aswel,
And it's still not an exploit if it's not counterable...
Stretch res is consider an Exploit however.
Uncounterable to say the least,
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So doing something to the gameplay outside of what the devs intended is not an exploit? And Blight would still have that spot without J-Flick
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Stretch res makes a few loops unmindgameable by killers whereas survivors can just hold corners and just look over loops.
Whereas Blight has to rush acouple times to get said Flick into play, Which can't be performed on Every loop no matter what people say..
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trickster is C
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Against good survivors? He wouldn't stand a chance..
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fight me
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Just gotta abuse that shack + Hold W strat against Trickster.. lol
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if trickster falls for it it works, that's it, if ut doesn't he goes away looking for someone else, trickster can't afford to waste 1 minute for 1 health state
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Or just go to a long wall and do a mixed pathing to confuse him
Generally works everytime since he's only 110%
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clown does not have better addons tf
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you actually think billy is better than oni? cuz no
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Trickster is the only killer who is better off completely ignoring his power. He's a 110% killer with a ranged attack that's only good at short range, where 9/10 times it's better to use melee.
So, F- tier.
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1, Clown does have better Addons than Bubba.
2. Billy is Far Superior Compared to Oni
3. Oni has to WORK for his power. Billy doesn't. Billy already has access to said power. whereas oni can be denied by just pre-throwing and holding W to another loop,
4. Billy has Access to Lopros + Engravings. already boosting himself up there as it stands. Oni involves his power. BUT CAN STILL BE DENIED IT BTW.
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Someone finally recognizes Demo's power
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Ok I'm sorry I should have specified, I think wraith's addons are better than clowns, not bubba, but once Oni gets his power however he's way to powerful to be able to compare to Billy. Getting his power is not as hard as you say, It really does not take long to get his power and once you do it's at least almost 2 free downs. Look man, I'm a Billy/Oni main, Oni just feels a lot more powerful. Billy is required to get right behind a survivor to use his chainsaw for an almost guaranteed down. Oni can get people on the move, which alone separates the two. although Billy's curving is very useful in loops, Oni has demon strike which is an instant one shot and an instant pallet break, and because Oni can literally hold m1 for a split second and still get an instadown, just proves he's stronger.
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You gotta take into consideration,
Wraith would struggle against teams that will pre-throw after you uncloak or pre-vault before you get close,
Like i'm not saying hes bad or anything, just that in a tournament level style. Wraith will get severely out-played hardcore.
Whereas clown can atleast get a few downs. maybe a kill or two at best,
And Oni. he's good and all but Oni's issue is getting the first hit, which isn't the easiest if you're versing Four good loopers..
Hell. Pre-throwing against him is 100% taking his power away,
I was an OG billy back then and i can say that he was balanced non-addons why
(i still don't know why they touched his basekit..)
But since Billy has Access to Lopros + Engravings. makes him hellova danger to pre-throw even..
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That would probably be my opinion.
- S: We can probably all agree on. Those 3 rule DbD.
- A+: Has the potential to be S but her weaknesses drop her down a bit. (trap flashlighting, disturbing her while setting up etc.)
- A: Good Killers who can punish mistakes pretty heavily.
- B+: Decent Killers who can also punish Survivors mistakes but where good teamplay will probably destroy them.
- B: Alright Killers but against competent Survivors, they will struggle a bit.
- C: Easily beaten by good Survivors
- D: #########?
I would say that regular Add-ons and regular Perks would be taken into account. Actually, I play most Killers without Add-ons so this list is probably biased more towards Killers without Add-ons
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Doc beats twins. aswel with billy.
Clown puts michael to shame. aswel with GF and Wraith. + piggy,
Billy is severely better than half that list..
Slinger is worse than Demo,
Huntress is waaaaaay down there she's a public killer
Freddy should be put Lower on the list aswel with hag..
It's not a bad one though...but it's just too messed up,
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It isn't messed up, it's my opinion and my own exeprience with all the Killers. You have your opinion, I have mine. The last few times I played Hag, I demolished teams with her 3 gen strat. She is defensive, I find her boring because of that but I can defnitely see her strength. I wouldn't say that she is to low.
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