Why do you hate spirit?

I don't really hate going against her, but I also don't really enjoy it either, what I don't like about her is her busted add-ons and pretty much one sided chases, that's pretty much it.

no counterplay

Firstly, she does have counterplay.

My problem with her is, you don't know what Spirit is doing half the time. So you also don't know if your counterplay or attempt at it is working, until the last second, when she stops phasing.

When you are injured, there is even less you can do against Spirit.

For me, it is the lack of interactivity with the killer. It is the same reason I LOVE playing against killers like Billy, Oni, Blight and Demo.

Tbh it's not her that I hate in particular, its more that every spirit player you go against is using the same perks over and over again with her strongest addons and tends to play very sweaty( because spiritis a killer who totally needs ruin, undying and tinkerer🙄). The rare more casual spirits I actually don't mind going against, even enjoy sometimes

I generally don't hate Spirit. She's one of the killers that I enjoy playing against because she more of a "think outside the box" and "take risk" killer rather than hold Shift + W and flick your mouse backwards for spoon fed counterplay.

Spirit is unbalanced, too powerful for her low skill ceiling, and doesn't take that much skill to play to begin with. She also has zero counterplay, and Stridor on her is ridiculously overpowered. Good Spirits that don't run Stridor still know how to play around it.

Because getting chased by her is literally just a guessing game.

Spirit mains are even worse than Spirit herself tho.

You really shouldn't say that. As much as I understand your frustration, it gives you no right to call out Spirit mains like that. They are just playing their favourite killer.

I don't hate anyone for playing their favorite character,I'm just saying many Spirit mains blindly defend her.

I dont think Spirit is luck based on the slightest, the Spirit player is still aware of what they are doing and needs to work to get their downs. It's just easier to end chases with her if you are good at audio cues.

If you count Spirit as luck based than you can start dropping a whole heap of killers in there with her lol

I'm no fan of her power, but I'm surprised less people are (at least vocally) irritated with the passive phasing. It definitely looks cool, but I think add-ons shouldn't effect it, and maybe tone it down a bit

stands still regardless if she is faking or not because when she uses her power she leaves a husk

Idk it's because she's unpredictable and even a baby spirit would ######### you up

I don't consider looping skillful because, I don't sense or feel myself using my brain outplay the killer, I'm just going off of information that's given to me.

I'm at a mind-gameable loop. Oh well, let me wait and peek around the corner fits spoonfed counterplay instead of basing everything off of expirence.

But God forbid a killer that actually makes you make a educated guess, is problematic because I'm not getting the direct counterplay information I need in order to loop the killer for 5 gens.

Honestly, I'd rather go against a Spirit than a Wraith these days.

By the time you can see him, he's already in striking range. The speed boost he gets from uncloaking is unreal and it's almost impossible to avoid him.

I recently had a match where I bumped into him 30 seconds into the game. Got hooked, then rescued, and turned a corner and his shimmer was right there. Started running, but within 4 seconds he uncloaked and knocked me down. Repeat for third hook, got about 200 BPs out of that match.

Why I don't like Spirit:

• When she passively phases in-and-out while walking, she temporarily vanishes each time for a second against aura reading perks (like kindred and OoO) - it's kind of annoying.
• Her power has no real discernible audio or visual cues to warn you what is happening and how**
• Her power, even if it did have cues, is still incredibly strong in that she's faster than Wraith, retains that speed for a bit even after her power ends, and can attack immediately at any time

** I know there is apparently an (intentional or not) glitch where her animation restarts VERY briefly when she uses her power and/or that her glass shards glow a bit when used on certain skins. It is extremely unrealistic to rely on these, as they are not only nearly impossible to spot at a distance (if not impossible to some entirely) but also unrealistic to expect to do so while in a chase. Close up, unless they're at a pallet, she's typically able to M1 just fine without using her power because her base movement speed is still decent. Even at a pallet, it's still on the survivor to not only discern these slight tells, but also gamble where she'll appear after using her power.

Basically there's just no realistic way to know what's happening when vs a spirit, and it's a one-sided interaction where they're basically in complete control over how they do.

To sum up my experience vs her:

It's like walking down the street, someone whistles behind you, you turn around and you get punched in the face randomly. To make matters worse, his buddy is on the sidewalk saying "if you looked carefully enough, you could have seen his arm tense up briefly when you turned around and reacted to it - get gud." Meanwhile I walk away with a broken nose wondering ######### their problem is.

It's just not an enjoyable experience.

No tells where she is. That's it. Look at it this way. What if Wraith could go invisible then immediately whack you once he sees you just because he could uncloak really fast? It wouldn't be fun and even in Wraiths' case, he snarls up a storm, moves grass and corn. Spirit just stands still, hisses then immediately can come from any direction to hit you. Is she behind you? In front of you? Coming from the side? You don't know and when you get hit without any way to tell, it isn't fun or enjoyable because you didn't get outplayed by a smart play. You got hit by an invisible killer while you moan half a block down the street. That's why she's hated.

(Edit: Wraith can even be seen shimmering near an area when close enough so you know the direction so you can react while Spirit does nothing but appear and hit.)

How can people hate spirit so much when freddy, twins and deathslinger exist. I want to play with any other killer than those three I just can't take it anymore.

If you have played spirit, most of the time you know where she is at and you can hear her feet during phase

I like playng her (maybe she is my main now), because she is very strong and make you feel every red ranks game cane be very fun (they can genrush you, you can hookrush them, notte need to hard tunnel camp every game like with other killers cause genrush And no map control). I didnt like go against her because seriously there is not direct counterplay (only guess).

Looping is objectively a skill based technique, it takes time to learn it and even more time to master looping. Knowing when to chain loops and use the least amount of resources possible is skillful, throwing down every single pallet on the map is not. You may not consider looping skillful, but your opinion doesn't change the fact that it IS.

And Spirit is just awfully designed, unless you have a bias she, and many other things in this game are awfully designed. Her power gives absolutely no information which makes the chase a guessing game where the odds are stacked against the survivor. Look at Nurse, she's objectively the best Killer in the game yet she still offers the survivors plenty of information to go off of, such as whenever she's holding a blink, showing the survivor the blink location, and audio cues whenever she blinks. Despite all of this she is still the best Killer in the game.