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Buffed Wraith is still just Wraith
While I do think Wraith is much stronger now, I still think he is on the weaker side of killers (like mid C tier). The main thing that really helped him was his map mobility, but his true invisibility was definitely an underrated buff. His mobility allows his hit and run playstyle to work very well especially since he no longer needs addons for it to work. The true invisibility allows him to actually be more stealthy and have an easier approach. I have a say in this because I do play quite a lot of Wraith.
Wraith is still just old Wraith because he can still easily be countered by pallets, windows, and just proper positioning from survivors when he starts to uncloak.
With his stronger addons such as the "all-seeing, blood", "bone clapper", and silent clapper addon he becomes much better, but even with "all-seeing, blood" and the "bone clapper, he is still reasonably easy to deal with. You could argue that he is very strong with the silent clapper, but that is his strongest addon so of course he would be. His base kit is suitable, but needs more work done. A rework would do him nicely, not just a few buffs. I think he should get a new mechanic to his power that has something to do with him ringing his bell, but of course still keeping the simplicity of Wraith.
Then you have his other addons, and I feel that they just aren't that great for the most part. They are mostly just for fun, but just how is kicking things faster while you are cloaked going to help you? Then there are his windstorm addons, they were nerfed and for a good reason, but I feel that they are no longer that useful unless you stack two of them. I think they could use a small buff.
But the main thing that really counters Wraith hard are safe windows and positioning. If you are at a long wall jungle gym or just a safe pallet and the survivor runs around, forcing you to uncloak in a more inconvenient, then they loop you normally (which you should do your best not to do). You will eventually hit them, but not before they waste a huge amount of your time.
His speed allows him to switch off targets very fast, but he really needs the ambush hit or else he will suffer, and this can be made difficult with perks such as SB or DH which most survivors at higher ranks use.
So yeah, the new Wraith is objectively better, but he is still pretty weak against survivors healing and playing smart.
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Wraith actually counters pallets and forces survivors to drop them right away, because he is so fast while cloaked his hit and run strat is even stronger, you can just ignore stronger loops and focus on gens and out positioned survivors because there will be. Overall I think he's mid tier
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The perfect take for Wraith. Although I feel like All-Seeing is too powerful tbh
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I think he is in a good spot right now.
I had not played Wraith since late 2019, but decided to give him a shot after his recent buff, and things most certainly felt much better.
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Exhaustion perks, Healing perks, and Med-kits still pose a challenge for him.
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He's definitely in a better spot, but still C tier at best. His downing capability just isn't there against highly experienced survivors who know how and when to pre-position. Hit and run isn't viable against a good team because 3 or 4 gens are going to go before the first down with that style.
That being said, I think it's ok for Wraith to be on the weak side. At a certain amount of hours, the asymmetry is no longer a challenge, but the S tier killers and most of A tier still pose a challenge to those survivors. But even until the 1000 hour mark, players are still going to have issues looping a basic 115 killer at any tile.
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The devs have acknowledged the wraith as a beginner killer which is why he seems so basic, you're playing a killer that the devs intended to be extremely easy to learn but his skill ceiling is capped at a point that I feel like you can only get to a certain level of good with him and then the true players skills arent being represented because everything the wraith can physically do is already being exhausted and it's up to whether your survivors are at wraiths max skill level instead of the player having their true skill represented, but also notice the killers like spirit that are a upgraded version of wraith and it's easy to see that he's just a foot in the door to the game before moving on to better killers that work similar almost like a stepping stone.
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I'd argue with the recent change to Make Your Choice, and the buff's he received, that he's now probably one of the best users of that perk.
So i would probably run something like MYC / Pop / BBQ / Dragon's Grip or another perk of your choice, instead of an anti heal build. With Bone clapper and All-seeing blood. Then just play as you normally would as wraith, not pursing to long chases but breaking chase and taking advantage of exposed when you can. He should make good use out of the 60 second exposed effect with his addon's and base buffs now.
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He may be the best user of MYC, but that doesn't change his position as one of the weaker killers in the game.
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I think it's fine and that it isn't overwhelming.
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Personally I feel if you think positioning does anything to counter a wraith from his free hit. You're doing something wrong as the wraith.
This is not including a run to a near by pallet ofc.
This is coming from a red rank wraith.
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Gonna have to disagree there, on long and safe loops simply running around and just mirroring his movements normally can deprive him of a hit. Then there is infinitely vaulting a pallet so he has to uncloak if he wants to break it, wasting his time.
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I'd class him as a mid card killer, definitely not top pick but certainly not one of the weakest in my opinion.
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First statement is yes you should be those breaking pallets. You should immediately break any pallet you see. You win by forcing the survivors to dropping the 2 closest pallets to each generator.
If at any point you attempt to loop a survivor for more than 10 seconds without breaking a pallet move on.
I infact get excited when they drop a pallet. I even break the most unsafe pallet loops With the two short ends, so I don't have to fail a mind game and miss.
I only managed to get to red ranks with wraith cause he's the only killer I can use without needing to understand how looping work. My looping skills is around rank 14 max. If you tell me about your issues looping with wraith imma tell you, you're doing something wrong. Like I don't even understand how L and T walls work. Cause the fact is that survivor can't do gens at the L and T walls, so I just leave.
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######### you wanna know how bad I am and still get red rank with wraith. My looping for a single window L wall is to run circles until you use up your three vaults. I don't mind game cause there's no need to. And if you some how make it to a pallet after the loop? I break the pallet and leave. If you there is no pallet nearby? I get the hit
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Well against any decent team that is like a whole gen right there though.. if each survivor just did that to you one time they would already almost complete the game and escape. To be honest I don't know how to loop better than that as a Killer either, but if I get to a spot where there's a safe window I just immediately leave instead and give up on that Survivor for that moment.
I'm wasting time technically EITHER way - but I waste less time by leaving the Survivor alone than by chasing them around a window for that long.
Bottom line is that it's too easy to outplay him as a Survivor, I'm not saying he's not viable, I have always enjoyed playing him as I do still now and I am able to succeed in Red Ranks even, but it requires a LOT of effort, and a very specific playstyle, and at least 2 purple addons or better every single match. You simply cannot stay on a Survivor for too long or you will lose very fast if you do.
It requires him way more Addons, Experience, and Effort to accomplish what other better Killers can do more easily. I'm not at all trying to say that he cannot accomplish what better Killers can do, fortunately he can and the buffs helped allow him to do so, but it will require you to spend more bloodpoints and try harder to do so. I think even in its current state, Wraith is just "Fun" to play if you are into his playstyle, but he is far from "Top Tier" as many others have pointed out.
Btw, I'm not asking for any buffs or a rework, I'm actually happy to play him as he is now, for me I'm used to it by now and it is enjoyable, any further changes would possibly mess him up and make him less fun to play and I would like to avoid that at all costs!
I think that my personal stance is that he is a pretty balanced "Mid-Tier" Killer now that is fun to play and has a lot of counterplay when facing good Survivors, but also has the ability to do quite well in the right hands. In fact, I would argue that he is one of the most well balanced killers to play currently which is what makes him so fun for me, it's a challenge every single match, but not so daunting that I feel hopeless even playing as him. I really hope they don't change him anymore, if they buff him anymore he will probably end up being overtuned and need to be looked at, and if they nerf him anymore he may no longer be fun to play at all.
Plus, there are plenty of other Killers that need to be looked at now harder than him, both weaker and stronger than him, that should be brought more in line. I think Wraith is fine and shouldn't be messed with anymore for a long while, and if they want to work with balance they should spend time on some of the other Killers that need some attention.
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What exhaustion perks allow is for you to get away from an unsafe area to an area that Wraith is essentially powerless. Sprint Burst the prime example say you did everything right sneaking up on the player in the unsafe area on Autohaven. You go up suddenly perfect hit but then they Sprint away before you can uncloak. So no hit and now they're at fun bus where you're power won't do anything. Not to mention they now are aware you're Wraith without getting a hit in to slowdown and can already prepare accordingly without you getting any damage in.
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Since people seem to be crying about Wraith again.
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I still don't understand how people don't know his counterplay, which is to not go in dead zones and to focus on decent loops that makes him vulnerable. He's so easy to counter yet people still don't know it.
LT loops and shack also hinder him.
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I'm fine with new wraith but he could do with his addons being looked at again. All-seeing might be a bit much now. Bone clapper maybe bumped up to green. And the windstorm addons made into something more interesting.
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Aye I’ve been saying this too, but it’s easier to just vent/complain when you’re frustrated. Wraith is a frustrating killer to face for most people, they just didn’t realise it until now because he was a very rare sight, but frustrating is not the same as overpowering.
I’ve always played Wraith, even when everyone thought he was one of the worst killers in the game. Contrary to the consensus at the time, he was already B tier before the tweaks. My performance has gone up by perhaps a few %. Maybe some games that would have been a 3k are now a 4K, but that’s a bit of a stretch. He feels almost identical to play as and his power level is almost identical too. He’s just more versatile now. He feels better to play, but I can’t really say he feels much stronger.
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You have a lot of dead zones. A quarter of iron works behind the main building is usually just a huge dead zone for example and you have to finish some of those gens there since its a typical 3gen area. Decent loops on the other hand are pretty rare and you are forced to drop safe pallets immidiately while you are able to run them for 2 or 3 loops against most other killers. Short pallet loops against the new wraith are just a death sentence, since he can hit you with the speed boost and huge lunge regardless so there is no way to stun him and to get to a better spot. Your advice is kind and technically correct but most of the time quixotic.
Over all wraith is A tier now and Im pretty sure BHVR will notice this very soon after analysing his real game performance.
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I think it’s mainly because when someone is frustrated, it’s much easier to just vent and put the blame elsewhere than it is to analyse the situation and make sensible adjustments to one’s approach.
I can pretty much guarantee that most of the people complaining run around in the open, flee to dead zones, try to loop at small, unsafe pallets, and stay injured for far too long OR play TOO altruistically, generating no pressure at all and plenty of free hits and downs.
I just played a game as Wraith where people kept unhooking before I even had a chance to run to the nearest generator. I’d come back to the hook to find them healing under it, smack the healthy survivor, who’d then run to aimlessly in the opposite direction, allowing for a quick down and hook. This repeated until I had a 4K by 2 gens.
What they should have done is simply pressure gens, with 1 survivor breaking away for the rescue once I had engaged with someone else. Then they could have healed and continued to pressure gens while I hooked the other. I wouldn’t have been able to keep up.
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You can predrop unsafe pallets and vault over them to make Wraith hit the pallet instead. Also, decent loops are common af. LT walls are a great example for that. High-wall loops can be used as well, and especially shack. Wraith sucks at shack loop.
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Wraith's secret perk: Being able to moderately/considerably/tremendously decrease the survivors' IQ.
And yeah, I completely agree.
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huh, with his buffs hes atleast high mid tier, and in the perfect spot rn, he needs no buffs or nerfs anymore, just because a killer is weaker then other, dosent mean there bad hes really balanced rn, and i hope he stays in his current spot
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If you can survive his uncloak, he's just an M1 killer.
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You cannot predrop unsafe pallets, because you wont get away from them without being hit. You usually have to stun killers there to get an escape to another tile. But while most other killers have a 50/50 there, wraith just hits you with the uncloak speed boost and massive lunge 100% of time even through the pallet.
Wraith sucks at shack, I know. But you cant stay at shack the whole game when you have to finish generators. Especially 3gens in other areas.
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You cant predrop unsafe pallets, because you will get hit there. You usually have to stun a killer on unsafe pallets to have a chance to get to another tile. But while playing against most other killers on unafe pallets is a 50/50, wraith will hit you there regardless just because of the uncloak speed boost and massive lunge so he even hits you through the pallet.
I know that wraith sucks at the shack. But you cant stay at the shack for the entire game. Especially when you have to finish gens at literally death zones to avoid 3genning.
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But if he misses, he's M1 at that point.
Let me elaborate, good survivors know how to be safe so he usually get hits unless they are out of position.
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I had a game against a wraith 5 minutes ago. This guy had 40 hours in dbd and was rank 1 killer already.
It shows pretty well how braindead easy playing wraith right now is. Literally the new Freddy.
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I think some people overrate him ahem tru3, he is easily countered by most loops and aware survivors. Once you know its Wraith you should always set yourself at a safe position to not get surprised by him.
Hit and run also isnt that great because it can take time to get the first down against a decent team, and gens will still fly.
His lunge isnt the best thing either since again most loops negate it by just camping the pallet.
Overall I agree with this New Wraith is still Wraith
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The irony in your second post is amazing, considering that any survivor who played as you suggest in your first post would demonstrate the IQ of a potato. And also be slashed accordingly. Hilarious.
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I'm afraid predropping pallets against particular killers such as Doctor is the right thing to do.
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I think he's in a good spot. I don't think we need another Freddy situation where a mostly braindead killer (I love Wraith but his skill ceiling is very low lets face it) is overwhelmnigly strong thanks to utiltiy.
He got the mobility buff he's needed for years (finally) and along the way he even got a nice anti loop for the less strong tiles. Buff his anti loop any further and you outright invalidate a killer like Doctor or Demos powers.
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Wraith is definitely not one of the weakest killers right now. I wouldn't put him in top tier, but by no means is he one of the weaker killers in the game. His movement speed buff while cloaked gives him mobility that other killers dream about.
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I guarantee you that was just a smurf account.
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