Why people hate Spirit while there is Nurse?

Simply 'cause when you face a good Nurse you can still apply counterplay by breaking LoS, not playing predictably, knowing how to double-back or fake it, learn when just to hold W etc... And still if you get down you know that the person playing the nurse put some hours into learning her (and if she's really good that can predict every movement you'll do, Let's say someone like SupaAlf, then they have a LOT of hours poured into one single killer).

Spirit on the other hand needs a headphone. Not even a good one. You get a hit and the survivor is done 'cause she can outrun him and he has only a guess on what she's doing since She's invisible. Or she can stand still and wait to see what the survivor is doing to act accodingly. She can "mindgame" pallets by just standing still. And if you have Iron Will wich is the only good counter to a somewhat decent spirit, she may slap stridor like 90% of them does and you'll have literally 0 defense against her.

"Pallets and vaults work agaisnt her". Since I've learned how to play killer in general, and when I play spirit, pallets and windows NEVER get me. You can just LITERALLY wait in the corner of a loop and bait the survivor to get near you or leave it, in wich case you just phase and hit them.

Spirit has 0 effort on her if you have 2 ears and 2 braincells to use her.

Edit: typos.

Spirit has a crazy amount if counterplay if players will just try to do it. Spirit can't even see exactly what you're doing while she's phasing, so she can't know "Oh, I'll just counter that the next time they try it" since they didn't see the whole thing. Nurse on the other hand can see you the whole time she's blinking, unless you block los, which she can just blink through and see you anyway. No amount of doubling back or fake outs are gonna mean anything against a good Nurse, which is not the case with Spirit because she literally blinds herself while in her power, making chases more of a guessing game for her than the survivors, and she's pretty much deaf without using one of her precious perk slots for Stridor. The only thing wrong with Spirit is standing still mindgames.

Wrong.

No, she's broken. She does NOT take that much learning or skill. A mouse and keyboard definitely helps. Sure, a bad Nurse will perform way worse than a bad Spirit, but a good Nurse outperforms a good Spirit by miles. You're talking about a killer whose power is moving fast, vs a killer whose power is noclipping, and saying "moving fast is stronger". Like... what?

I can play nurse decently after like 400 hours on her enough to be unfun for survivors, I can play spirit great as soon as I have 10 hours and stridor.

Nurse takes hours to learn, spirit anyone can do great with her with only knowing the basics.

Because you have to constantly lose over and over and spend ages learning to even begin to win with Nurse, especially at Red Ranks. Spirit can be learned really easily and has zero downsides to her power, other than not seeing people. It's stupid.

It's a power cooldown. It's not punishing in any way shape or form. That's a thing for every killer, so why is it a problem for Spirit? She gets no fatigue, no tell whether she's using her power if you're inside terror radius, it's stupid. Spirit does nothing when she's powered other than standing still, and Nurse inhales, which is audible from 20 or so metres away, she raises her hand, and lets out a mapwide scream telling that she's coming, with a 4 second downside for a miss. Spirit has no such thing other than her hissing, which is inaudible in chase, she's just way too easy and unpunishing. Nurse is the most punishing and painful killer to learn, and no other character is as good and easy to learn as Spirit. My 11 year old brother got Spirit and his first game was a 4k. That should tell you enough.

I'm assuming they mean that having to wait 15 seconds costs a lot in a gen rush meta.

But you don't have to use all of your power as Spirit. If you use it in bursts, you can have it up constantly. Then there's the thing about Nurse needing to use her power to get downs, while Spirit still has the option to chase as a 110% killer if it's favorable.

Her standing still mindgame is stupid and should be removed.

I can burn nurse. I can't touch Spirit. Simple as that.

Enlighten me then. Tell me what was incorrect about my comment. Learn what exactly? That Nurse does have counter play if it's a bad Nurse player? Is that what you mean?

Spirit gives basically zero feedback when trying to counter them while you can always see what the nurse is doing/trying to do.

I hate playing against both of them equally since they ignore the defenses of survivors. I hope both of them get changed to a more enjoyable state.