My biggest problem with this next chapter is the lack of artistic creativity.
Legion just straight up looks like a Death Garden survivor and Jeff just looks like David with a beard (david actually has an eye scar head so even that's not unique). New map is cool though needs more blood and gore, whole game needs more blood and gore and creepy things in the maps.
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From what I've read Legion was the creation of several community ideas pushed together in a Frankenstein's Monster-esq way. The creativity mostly came from the community. As for the map I agree it feels a little bland but I've also only seen it from videos and not played it myself so the little details may still be hidden to me. As for the survivor he is probably made using Davids character model hence the similarities. He has the longest back story of any survivor and I'm sure he has the potential for some great skins.
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Legion is generic especially compared to spirit. Map is cool. Survivor is cool.
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Survivor looks like a younger alan moore.
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@akbays35 said:
Legion just straight up looks like a Death Garden survivor and Jeff just looks like David with a beard (david actually has an eye scar head so even that's not unique). New map is cool though needs more blood and gore, whole game needs more blood and gore and creepy things in the maps.Well since deathgarden is dead now, the artists working on it had to move on and were working on the new killer now "apparently".
Design is just personal preference and I dont dislike it that much tbh.What I dislike is the strength of the new killer
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@MegaWaffle said:
From what I've read Legion was the creation of several community ideas pushed together in a Frankenstein's Monster-esq way. The creativity mostly came from the community. As for the map I agree it feels a little bland but I've also only seen it from videos and not played it myself so the little details may still be hidden to me. As for the survivor he is probably made using Davids character model hence the similarities. He has the longest back story of any survivor and I'm sure he has the potential for some great skins.yeah but the problem is that we already have like 5 masked knife wielding killers (wraith, trapper, Myers, Pig, and Clown) and 4 bearded white guys (david, bill, and dwight, ace) they could've done anything cosmetically different.
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Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own?
This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.
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I agree that this whole new killer is totally not original. He feels like a mix of spirit and especially the pig gameplay wise. He doesnt look bad ass or scary or anyting like that. His ability is like i said a mix of different abilities mixed, the fact he can slide over pallets when using his power is the only thing really unique and it's not even a strong feature because of his lack of downing survivors during his frenzy. I just feel this chapter is a step back from the last one. Ok the snow map looks good, but no footprints in snow? ah come on, that would be a nice little extra. I hoped for a female survivor, but now we get a chubby male one, who makes a bit too much noise when running. I cant help but feel there is so much more to be explored survivor/killer wise in terms of originality. explore the boundaries and try something really new i'd say, this just feels a bit copy paste. anyway IMO
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why not you try to make a new killer design this community would like, hard is it not?
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@alivebydeadight said:
why not you try to make a new killer design this community would like, hard is it not?Last guy who did that got a boatload of money from the devs, who ended up selling his Trapper mask in the game.
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@Orion said:
@alivebydeadight said:
why not you try to make a new killer design this community would like, hard is it not?Last guy who did that got a boatload of money from the devs, who ended up selling his Trapper mask in the game.
No a new killer, a killer not in game or licensed, I know about the rogi mask, I read all backgrounds and descriptions for cosmetics and killers/survivors
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@alivebydeadight said:
@Orion said:
@alivebydeadight said:
why not you try to make a new killer design this community would like, hard is it not?Last guy who did that got a boatload of money from the devs, who ended up selling his Trapper mask in the game.
No a new killer, a killer not in game or licensed, I know about the rogi mask, I read all backgrounds and descriptions for cosmetics and killers/survivors
I know. I'm just trying to incentivize OP.
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@Orion said:
@alivebydeadight said:
@Orion said:
@alivebydeadight said:
why not you try to make a new killer design this community would like, hard is it not?Last guy who did that got a boatload of money from the devs, who ended up selling his Trapper mask in the game.
No a new killer, a killer not in game or licensed, I know about the rogi mask, I read all backgrounds and descriptions for cosmetics and killers/survivors
I know. I'm just trying to incentivize OP.
but yeah, I kinda like the rogi mask, but run default trapper to trick players
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I believe that is right. One of the perks, Breakdown, is astutely similar to a perk that was created on the “Fat Survivor Thread”- which was actually a decent perk to its entirety due to the fact it may help against the annoyance that is farming, aside from the immense humor of the “Hagrid” survivor.MegaWaffle said:From what I've read Legion was the creation of several community ideas pushed together in a Frankenstein's Monster-esq way. The creativity mostly came from the community. As for the map I agree it feels a little bland but I've also only seen it from videos and not played it myself so the little details may still be hidden to me. As for the survivor he is probably made using Davids character model hence the similarities. He has the longest back story of any survivor and I'm sure he has the potential for some great skins.
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@akbays35 said:
Legion just straight up looks like a Death Garden survivor and Jeff just looks like David with a beard (david actually has an eye scar head so even that's not unique). New map is cool though needs more blood and gore, whole game needs more blood and gore and creepy things in the maps.Yep, I thought the same when I saw the new survivor.
They could have released that as a new David skin and I might have bought it. :P1 -
@MegaWaffle said:
@akbays35Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own?
This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.
They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brand
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@akbays35 said:
@MegaWaffle said:
@akbays35Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own?
This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.
They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brandI think the problem with going too far into a "fantasy" setting is that all the killers were once human and were pulled from the real world into the realm of the Entity. I by no means am against the idea of having more "beast like" killers but their direction has kept everyone on a humanoid level.
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@MegaWaffle said:
From what I've read Legion was the creation of several community ideas pushed together in a Frankenstein's Monster-esq way. The creativity mostly came from the community. As for the map I agree it feels a little bland but I've also only seen it from videos and not played it myself so the little details may still be hidden to me. As for the survivor he is probably made using Davids character model hence the similarities. He has the longest back story of any survivor and I'm sure he has the potential for some great skins.I think what would've been a good idea is what you said: Frankenstein's Monster we could've had a mutilated killer that was pieced together from other survivor parts in a grotesque form of flesh and madness. Throw off the hood and mask and give us something terrible to behold. That's why the killer looks like a survivor: it's made from the parts that didn't escape.
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@akbays35 said:
@MegaWaffle said:
@akbays35Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own?
This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.
They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brandGo ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.
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As someone who was a teenager during the late 90's era of grunge/punk rock, I actually like the Legion. While they aren't as thematically impressive as a mad neuroscientist who shoots electricity out of his fist and a phase-walking chopped up dead gal, the Legion reminds me of my poorly spent youth and I think they have a lot of potential, both balance and cosmetic wise. I mean. The ultra rare add-on is a ######### mixtape. A MIXTAPE THAT'S SO FIRE THAT IT'S FUMING.
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@Orion said:
Go ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.That isn't how it works. Leatherface's Franklin's Demise perk and The Pig's Jigsaw's Baptism (sans head trap) were based on my user submitted ideas. The only thing I received for either one was community acknowledgement in the Steam forums.
And I'm cool with that. Anything we post or submit publically is fair game for a company as far as I understand things.
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@Kong said:
@Orion said:
Go ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.That isn't how it works. Leatherface's Franklin's Demise perk and The Pig's Jigsaw's Baptism (sans head trap) were based on my user submitted ideas. The only thing I received for either one was community acknowledgement in the Steam forums.
And I'm cool with that. Anything we post or submit publically is fair game for a company as far as I understand things.
Suggestions are not the same as an actual character you spend time making from scratch. Look at the guy who made a mask model that BHVR bought. That's what I mean when I say "make one".
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@Orion said:
Suggestions are not the same as an actual character you spend time making from scratch. Look at the guy who made a mask model that BHVR bought. That's what I mean when I say "make one".
So you're talking about a finalized design, complete with concept art and perhaps in-game models? If so, yeah on that they probably would buy it outright since the person would have done all the work for them save the coding.
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@Kong said:
@Orion said:
Suggestions are not the same as an actual character you spend time making from scratch. Look at the guy who made a mask model that BHVR bought. That's what I mean when I say "make one".
So you're talking about a finalized design, complete with concept art and perhaps in-game models? If so, yeah on that they probably would buy it outright since the person would have done all the work for them save the coding.
Well, yeah.
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@Orion said:
@akbays35 said:
@MegaWaffle said:
@akbays35Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own?
This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.
They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brandGo ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.
my issue really just comes from the blatant rehash of stuff they already have, they probably pulled Legions model straight from Death Garden and just altered david's model with a one of Jakes beard faces. Like legit just look at davids coat model then look at one of jakes beard faces and you can mix match to make Jeff. They could've made Jeff to look more metal with piercings or tattoos. I'm even more mad when I just realized that they just reworked Davids santa clause beard to make a new survivor
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I like the look of the new killer and survivor. Everything doesn’t have to be mind blowing all the time. And far as Jeff well you know the saying that there are 7 other people who like you lol 🤷🏾♂️akbays35 said:@Orion said:
@akbays35 said:
@MegaWaffle said:
@akbays35Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own?
This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.
They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brandGo ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.
my issue really just comes from the blatant rehash of stuff they already have, they probably pulled Legions model straight from Death Garden and just altered david's model with a one of Jakes beard faces. Like legit just look at davids coat model then look at one of jakes beard faces and you can mix match to make Jeff. They could've made Jeff to look more metal with piercings or tattoos. I'm even more mad when I just realized that they just reworked Davids santa clause beard to make a new survivor
All jokes aside I love the concept. There are so many cosmetics they can do with The Legion. They can wear ninjas mask, phantom of the opera, and etc. The legion basically reminds me of the Purge franchise.0 -
@Iceman said:
akbays35 said:@Orion said:
@akbays35 said: @MegaWaffle said: @akbays35 Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own? This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brand
Go ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.
my issue really just comes from the blatant rehash of stuff they already have, they probably pulled Legions model straight from Death Garden and just altered david's model with a one of Jakes beard faces. Like legit just look at davids coat model then look at one of jakes beard faces and you can mix match to make Jeff. They could've made Jeff to look more metal with piercings or tattoos. I'm even more mad when I just realized that they just reworked Davids santa clause beard to make a new survivor
I like the look of the new killer and survivor. Everything doesn’t have to be mind blowing all the time. And far as Jeff well you know the saying that there are 7 other people who like you lol 🤷🏾♂️
All jokes aside I love the concept. There are so many cosmetics they can do with The Legion. They can wear ninjas mask, phantom of the opera, and etc. The legion basically reminds me of the Purge franchise.
The Trapper already exists, they could do all those with him he's literally the mascot of this game and the first killer you ever look at.
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With a name like "Legion," I kinda wish they had a semi-decent AI, so that in addition to your character with its current speed and terror radius, 2 (or 3) more Legions with their own TR are patrolling the generators around the map. They would probably be weaker than the actual killer player, with only having ~105% speed that slows down more as survivors die, and if they are able to "find" them and get close enough, are only able to injure and stun the survivors for 4-5 seconds (and notify the actual killer player where they are) but not down them. The killer's power could be something like "Raid" where the killer in chase can summon the other Legions to come surround the target, and help out (by injuring or stunning), cutting off loops and windows.
That's just an idea off the top of my head, and I'm sure there are plenty of problems and loopholes in it besides the whole AI issue, but I would think it would have been more interesting than just playing 1 out the 4 Legions and just having a "speed boost" power. Or at least different enough from the other killers.
I do think it's cool that this new killer can jump over pallets, but that's about it. I don't mind the artistic direction they took the killer in, since I understand what sort of horror genre they were inspired from. Wish it just had a little more "woah!" factor from a novelty perspective.
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I agree, I think that they kinda gave up on the default skins coolness to focus more on selling cool ones ever since the in store and auric cells came out.
like, why give you a cool default skin when you can buy a cool one and spend more money!0 -
Yeah but The legion has a different aesthetic. They dress like survivors. The mask just suppose to give it a creepy vibe. And they are a bunch of teens.akbays35 said:@Iceman said:
akbays35 said:@Orion said:
@akbays35 said: @MegaWaffle said: @akbays35 Art is subjective, why don't you make up some concepts of your own? This isn't being typed in a condescending way I genuinely mean why don't you get some ideas out to the forums.They could pull so much from folklore, we could have demons, fairies, native american skin walkers, ghouls and draugurs, vampires and liches. They get tons of ideas but they just want to keep rehashing their brand
Go ahead and make one yourself. If they like it, you get a lot of money.
my issue really just comes from the blatant rehash of stuff they already have, they probably pulled Legions model straight from Death Garden and just altered david's model with a one of Jakes beard faces. Like legit just look at davids coat model then look at one of jakes beard faces and you can mix match to make Jeff. They could've made Jeff to look more metal with piercings or tattoos. I'm even more mad when I just realized that they just reworked Davids santa clause beard to make a new survivor
I like the look of the new killer and survivor. Everything doesn’t have to be mind blowing all the time. And far as Jeff well you know the saying that there are 7 other people who like you lol 🤷🏾♂️
All jokes aside I love the concept. There are so many cosmetics they can do with The Legion. They can wear ninjas mask, phantom of the opera, and etc. The legion basically reminds me of the Purge franchise.
The Trapper already exists, they could do all those with him he's literally the mascot of this game and the first killer you ever look at.
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