Ruin, Undying, and Tinkerer are grossly OP and is a free win

I'm with you up until the point of BBQ+Tinkerer being the problem. The problem is Ruin+Undying, if you pair BBQ+Tinkerer with Pop it's not nearly so miserable, and if you cleanse Ruin+Undying these two perks don't really do much of anything to delay the game.

The problem is that Ruin needs to be a certain level of power to justify being a Hex perk, but if its effect is strong enough to warrant running alone then it becomes oppressive when paired with Undying. In general I think Ruin needs to be weakened a little and totems need to stop spawning in places where they're guaranteed to be spotted and cleansed instantly (like spawning on top of survivors at the start, spawning on top of hills, spawning 2 feet from a generator), but that's just me.

You defeat it by gen tapping to check for ruin, and then dipping to go nuke the totems. You almost always spawn opposite of the killer so if you get on that gen you spawn by you're already screwing up because odds are 95% of the time you will get interrupted before you can finish even with 3-4 people on it. Just, do, bones.

I do disagree with this. Ruin + Undying + Tinkerer is no longer as strong you make it to be. Like how DS + Unbreakable + Dead Hard isn't as strong as it's made out to be now. Tinkerer is very strong with killers like Hillbilly and Blight. But outside of mobility killers it's pretty lackluster. What good does Tinkerer do for a Myers or Huntress on Mother's Dwelling, Blood Lodge, or Thompson House with how far apart gens are? Or on Badham, Haddonfield, or the Game where the stealth doesn't matter since the survivors will be right next to a great loop or pallet? So yes Tinkerer is brutal on mobility killers. But, should we say Thanataphobia is very strong because it works so well with two killers. Or Stridor because it only works on Spirit but so well? Simply no. New Undying + Ruin isn't nearly as strong either because instead of 4 totems it only takes two. And there are so many instances where you're spawning right next to totems and with how loud Hexes are it's not uncommon for this build to be obliterated in the first minutes. And even quicker on maps like Autohaven and Ormond. So now yes you can say what if it's Lerys or the Swamp and then yes it'll take a while and there's a good chance the build lasts a while but that's the map not the perks. So while yes Tinkerer + Ruin + Undying is a strong build could've agreed old variation was OP but the new variation isn't OP. And BBQ still balanced.

Still don't get why people are trying to analyze Sluzzy like they aren't obviously trolling. Just look at their prior posts.

missed ya sweet cheeks :)

But yeah I do agree to some extent for once. Against a solo q team these perks are overkill. SWF its manageable

And yet your side has keys and toolboxes. That's a good trade-off for this build in my opinion.

"Professional" player or not, you need to realize something: Survivors have it good in this game. You have toolboxes and teammates that help accelerate generator repair and you have keys that just outright ignore the main objective of every game and give you what is very easily a free win for you.

You also have anyone who goes for a Haddonfield offering because, guess what? Many killers do not have an answer to God House and thus the infinity loop will go on and on and on and that perk combination? Runs a stalemate with your team.

If you think BBQ, Ruin, Undying and Tinkerer are grossly OP in this current state of the game, your priorities aren't straight regardless of how good you are. You're not thinking of why Killers run it, the cause of it, and instead focusing on what the Killers do with it, the effect.

Now if you want these all to be nerfed, then you'll have to take a toolbox or key nerf to your side as well, because suddenly, Survivors are grossly broken to the point where every game, even with Spirit or Nurse, will more than likely be a free win for the survivors.

You just want it easier for your side when it's already easy. Get a Key, get people with toolboxes + Brand New Part, get multiple people on gens at once. It's not the Killer's fault your side runs things that are basically "GGEZ Win" combinations, and thus use their own "GGEZ Win" counter against you because they prepared themselves for what would possibly be absolute hell.

You get rid of these, then the Killers will have no fun and will ultimately decide NOT to play the game because it's too survivor-oriented now. It wouldn't be fair, nor would it be balanced.

Sluzzy's a forum troll. It has zero bearing on his actual skills as a player.

Three questions:

How difficult is it to find 2 totems and disable 2 killer perks for the rest of the match? There are only 2 maps where totems are more difficult to find: Midwich and Hawkins.

How difficult is it to equip Spine Chill which helps with all kind of Undetectable stuff and even with mindgaming?

How am I able to go against this build only with few problems if the team is not complete potato? I even see Freddy players use this and you can still win.

No perk build is an automatic win. Same goes for UB, DH etc for survivor.

Oh god oh man...

Sluzzy is a biggest troll in dbd forum history.

Sluzzy please I require you to play as spirit with Tinkerer Ruin Undying and get 4k at r1 if it is a free win as you said, I know you arent gonna reply this because you know that you cant, if you want i send you a video of me playing against key swf with Stridor Ruin Thrilling Tremors Tinkerer and Duration and speed add-ons, .

It's not hard to deal with an it's not a free win. Totem placement is RNG an mostly bad even so run small game, detective hunch or bring a map to find and deal with totem even as solo q. As for tinker just bring spine chill or you know use your 3D field of view to look around or listen for foot steps? (Micheal breathing, ghostface clothing, demo footstep cuz it's loud) it's not hard to counter the killers perks, just don't be bad an rely on using crutch perks with second chances an use other perks to counter an deal with it. Not everything is op an not every player is a try hard.