Barbecue & Chilli nerf idea...
Hello,
So the discussion is about Barbecue & Chilli and about that BBQ&C is OP on some killers(Hillbilly, Nurse).
However, at the beginning I will write something about survivors and their perks because the killers often refer to them.
BBQ&C it's literally wallhack, same with Object of Obsession.
But with OoO they see each other and with BBQ&C it only a one way perk, why? Add a negative effect to BBC&C which allows survivors to see killer when he put someone on hook for the same amount of time like killer see survivors.
Or, just partially block its operation on certain killers, like Huntress with noed and her axes.
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The negative effect for the Killer on BBQ, ther Surv need to be further than 40 metres (Tier3).
Sure it's strong on Billy and Nurse. Because they can travel big distance in short time. But thats why Nurse and Billy are top tier. And when the survivor knows that the killer runs BBQ, they can fool the Killer.5 -
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficult8
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@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultThat never works on my billy, they try but I’m already on them. BBQ is a really strong perk for the AURA ALONE. The fact that it’s BP too is ridiculous.
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@Jack11803 said:
@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultThat never works on my billy, they try but I’m already on them. BBQ is a really strong perk for the AURA ALONE. The fact that it’s BP too is ridiculous.
it makes the doc to a real BP farmer
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@Jack11803 said:
@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultThat never works on my billy, they try but I’m already on them. BBQ is a really strong perk for the AURA ALONE. The fact that it’s BP too is ridiculous.
Which still doesn't make it an overpowered Perk. Overpowered Perks have no counters at all, BBQ does.
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@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultAs difficult as playing survivor, but some still dont manage that
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@DrHermanCarter said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultThat never works on my billy, they try but I’m already on them. BBQ is a really strong perk for the AURA ALONE. The fact that it’s BP too is ridiculous.
it makes the doc to a real BP farmer
BBQ is the only reason why there are still enough killers in the game. If it werent for the extra BP, I think a lot of killers would switch to survivor instead of going through the frustration (I would so so at least)
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@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultSometimes in 4 seconds killer is already on survivors back so there is no time to fake it out.
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@Master said:
@DrHermanCarter said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Broccoli_Jaeger said:
BBQ doesn't need a nerf. It's easy to tell when a killer has it. Just go in one direction for 4 seconds and then turn around or try to get close to the killer. It's not that difficultThat never works on my billy, they try but I’m already on them. BBQ is a really strong perk for the AURA ALONE. The fact that it’s BP too is ridiculous.
it makes the doc to a real BP farmer
BBQ is the only reason why there are still enough killers in the game. If it werent for the extra BP, I think a lot of killers would switch to survivor instead of going through the frustration (I would so so at least)
how would Mathieu say: "Well that's an opinion"
Sure, sometimes it can be annoying play as Killer. But most of the time it's very fun
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And of course the BBQ needs nerf. At the last patchs only survivors getting nerfs:
- Adding new killer with his ultra OP ability to counter pallet looping.
- Hatch nerf idea on PTB
- DStrike nerf idea showed on live
- Adding "Dead Hard" animation wasn't really big deal but still, it's easier for killers to predict Dead Hard now so it's a little nerf.
- Pallet droping nerf, YES that's nerf not a fix as many people think, that's a nerf because if it would be fix, hitting survivor on the end of the pallet when he slips through it should also be fixed.
What are the nerfs for killers in last month or two?
What's survivor gets? A Kate Danson with really weak perks? Please...3 -
@ArthurFiNCHr said:
And of course the BBQ needs nerf. At the last patchs only survivors getting nerfs:- Adding new killer with his ultra OP ability to counter pallet looping.
- Hatch nerf idea on PTB
- DStrike nerf idea showed on live
- Adding "Dead Hard" animation wasn't really big deal but still, it's easier for killers to predict Dead Hard now so it's a little nerf.
- Pallet droping nerf, YES that's nerf not a fix as many people think, that's a nerf because if it would be fix, hitting survivor on the end of the pallet when he slips through it should also be fixed.
What are the nerfs for killers in last month or two?
What's survivor gets? A Kate Danson with really weak perks? Please...Ultra OP? Ever played clown by yourself? Doubt so....
Hatch idea got scraped because you cried enough
DS nerf on live? Where, cant see it on live sever, not even on PTB lol
You still cant predict deadhard, when the animation starts you already got the invulnerability. The only thing it does is reducing the crying about laggswitchers a bit
Fixed a bugWhy would you nerf killers? Its not like they are too strong....
Survivor perks are kinda weak on the highest lvl yeah, but the pallet showing perk is quite good at beginner lvl
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
And of course the BBQ needs nerf. At the last patchs only survivors getting nerfs:- Adding new killer with his ultra OP ability to counter pallet looping.
- Hatch nerf idea on PTB
- DStrike nerf idea showed on live
- Adding "Dead Hard" animation wasn't really big deal but still, it's easier for killers to predict Dead Hard now so it's a little nerf.
- Pallet droping nerf, YES that's nerf not a fix as many people think, that's a nerf because if it would be fix, hitting survivor on the end of the pallet when he slips through it should also be fixed.
What are the nerfs for killers in last month or two?
What's survivor gets? A Kate Danson with really weak perks? Please...When I said BBQ should be two seperate perks, aura reading, and BP bonus with an extra effect not as strong, I meant it, that perk is really strong. You’re just complaining about stuff that’s not op. Clowns mid tier, good, but not op by any means. Killers need some perks nerfed, but need THE KILLER PLAYER buffed.
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Another BBQ nerf thread...sigh...survivors really like being camped only, don't they?
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SO basically since you get caught in BBQ n Chili, you want it nerfed.
nice objective viewpoint.
The perk is fine. It's good for bloodpoints for the killer and lets the killer know if someone is close or far. The perk was designed to get killers off the hooks.
You want it nerfed? Seriously?
Lets nerf D strike so it can be only used when 2 gens are left or more. When 1 gen or the gates are powered, it doesn't work.
That sounds far. Forces it to be a early game thing. And not this late game trash it is going to be.
Also lets nerf sprint burst right? Why? Cause its annoying right? (Come on man)
BBQ is fine. This patch has turned the tide just a bit, but this is still a swf high ranking fool fest.
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You should already know where the killer is when he hooks somebody, you can see the aura of your hooked teammates. Beyond that it's just pathing. These are basic survivor skills man, really basic.0
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@Cetren said:
You should already know where the killer is when he hooks somebody, you can see the aura of your hooked teammates. Beyond that it's just pathing. These are basic survivor skills man, really basic.This is all fine except for hillbilly. Him alone I’d the reason this perk is in the crossfire. It’s simply too strong... BUT JUST WITH HIM. It’s in a really awkward place.
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BBQ and Chili encourages killers to leave the hook and encourages non-tunneling behavior by rotating hooking survivors.
Why on earth would you want to nerf something that creates what many survivors "claim" they want us to do?
This is one of the best perks to encourage desired behavior in the killer community, don't you dare touch it!
Especially since it's so easily counterable, it's pathetic.
It's not the perk's fault you lack the game awareness to position yourself in such a way to not be a target. In the words of Mr Cote ... "Get Good"
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@FrenziedRoach said:
BBQ and Chili encourages killers to leave the hook and encourages non-tunneling behavior by rotating hooking survivors.Why on earth would you want to nerf something that creates what many survivors "claim" they want us to do?
This is one of the best perks to encourage desired behavior in the killer community, don't you dare touch it!
Especially since it's so easily counterable, it's pathetic.
It's not the perk's fault you lack the game awareness to position yourself in such a way to not be a target. In the words of Mr Cote ... "Get Good"
Like I said before, the perks perfectly fine except on hillbilly it’s too strong, whether they do something to bbq or billy I don’t know, but that combo should not be as ridiculous as it is now. Also, BBQ didn’t stop camping, killers always say hide behind a gen so no aura is seen, but then claim if no aura is seen they must be hook diving.
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@Master said:
@ArthurFiNCHr said:
And of course the BBQ needs nerf. At the last patchs only survivors getting nerfs:- Adding new killer with his ultra OP ability to counter pallet looping.
- Hatch nerf idea on PTB
- DStrike nerf idea showed on live
- Adding "Dead Hard" animation wasn't really big deal but still, it's easier for killers to predict Dead Hard now so it's a little nerf.
- Pallet droping nerf, YES that's nerf not a fix as many people think, that's a nerf because if it would be fix, hitting survivor on the end of the pallet when he slips through it should also be fixed.
What are the nerfs for killers in last month or two?
What's survivor gets? A Kate Danson with really weak perks? Please...Ultra OP? Ever played clown by yourself? Doubt so....
Hatch idea got scraped because you cried enough
DS nerf on live? Where, cant see it on live sever, not even on PTB lol
You still cant predict deadhard, when the animation starts you already got the invulnerability. The only thing it does is reducing the crying about laggswitchers a bit
Fixed a bugWhy would you nerf killers? Its not like they are too strong....
Survivor perks are kinda weak on the highest lvl yeah, but the pallet showing perk is quite good at beginner lvl
killer perks arent that strong eitherOf course clown is OP, even without perks im geting avg. 2-3 kills par match and trust me it's not because of bad survivors or other shi....
Yeah, hatch idea got scraped because survivors cried, same is palet stun on Nurse has been removed because of killers cried. But in this case there is much bigger chance that hatch change still will be added to the game.About DS nerf on live i meant that they should they (bad) idea on live stream.
@AlexAnarchy said:
Another BBQ nerf thread...sigh...survivors really like being camped only, don't they?If killers will pushing devs like this, in next year there will be needed not just a wallhack but also 1 hit on all killer other ways killers will be camping all day.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> @FrenziedRoach said:BBQ and Chili encourages killers to leave the hook and encourages non-tunneling behavior by rotating hooking survivors.
Why on earth would you want to nerf something that creates what many survivors "claim" they want us to do?
This is one of the best perks to encourage desired behavior in the killer community, don't you dare touch it!
Especially since it's so easily counterable, it's pathetic.
It's not the perk's fault you lack the game awareness to position yourself in such a way to not be a target. In the words of Mr Cote ... "Get Good"
Like with @AlexAnarchy why the killers are setting the conditions? No wallhack = Camp? #########?
Survivors also should do that? " We will be not doing gens only standing afk since devs don't make gen rushing faster and because of that killers will be bored and they will leave the game! "
@Cetren said:
You should already know where the killer is when he hooks somebody, you can see the aura of your hooked teammates. Beyond that it's just pathing. These are basic survivor skills man, really basic.Really sherlock? If it's the same type of acquiring location information why did devs make BBQ as WallHack not as notification like with generator when survivor broke them? If they will switch it to this, am okay with BBQ because now killer with high mobility can clearly see where survivors are going for 4 seconds and that in combination with high mobility is god damn op.
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BBQ & Chili does not need a nerf. Especially since this last patch actually nerfed it due to the red generator auras.
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@Jack11803 said:
@FrenziedRoach said:
BBQ and Chili encourages killers to leave the hook and encourages non-tunneling behavior by rotating hooking survivors.Why on earth would you want to nerf something that creates what many survivors "claim" they want us to do?
This is one of the best perks to encourage desired behavior in the killer community, don't you dare touch it!
Especially since it's so easily counterable, it's pathetic.
It's not the perk's fault you lack the game awareness to position yourself in such a way to not be a target. In the words of Mr Cote ... "Get Good"
Like I said before, the perks perfectly fine except on hillbilly it’s too strong, whether they do something to bbq or billy I don’t know, but that combo should not be as ridiculous as it is now. Also, BBQ didn’t stop camping, killers always say hide behind a gen so no aura is seen, but then claim if no aura is seen they must be hook diving.
Yeah, if you played this game at all BBQ and Chili doesn't do anything for the killers other than just telling them where the other survivors are. Doesn't encourage anything, it takes the hunting part of being a killer out of the game, just by hooking a survivor. To me that's just like a survivor doing a gen and when its done, if the killer is further than 40 m we see him too. Hillbilly with it or Nurse is obnoxious. I'm all for encouraging killers to not camp but i believe this perk was not the answer
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Let me guess killers, downing survivors when they are already on the end of the pallet also should not be fixed?
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@Jack11803 said:
Like I said before, the perks perfectly fine except on hillbilly it’s too strong, whether they do something to bbq or billy I don’t know, but that combo should not be as ridiculous as it is now. Also, BBQ didn’t stop camping, killers always say hide behind a gen so no aura is seen, but then claim if no aura is seen they must be hook diving.
Which is why you should be mindful of where the killer is and the objects you can put between you and the killer. I realize that might always be possible on maps like rotten fields, but that cuts both ways when you get maps like the Chapel or Blood Lodge. Billy needs unobstructed lanes to utilize his map pressure. If you can't figure out how to avoid those lanes, the problem is not the perk....
I said it DISCOURAGES camping, I didn't say it stopped it. Also, keep in mind anybody within 40 meters DOESN'T SHOW. To give you some perspective, 40 meters is LARGER than the terror radius. Indeed, it's at the edge of the Huntress's singing range if memory serves. That a huge area to hide in from a killer who might be afraid of a hook rush.
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Lol BBQ already got one unnecessary nerf and it doesn’t need another one. It already has multiple counters that you obviously need to learn. Stop whining and adapt.1
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@FrenziedRoach said:
@Jack11803 said:
Like I said before, the perks perfectly fine except on hillbilly it’s too strong, whether they do something to bbq or billy I don’t know, but that combo should not be as ridiculous as it is now. Also, BBQ didn’t stop camping, killers always say hide behind a gen so no aura is seen, but then claim if no aura is seen they must be hook diving.
Which is why you should be mindful of where the killer is and the objects you can put between you and the killer. I realize that might always be possible on maps like rotten fields, but that cuts both ways when you get maps like the Chapel or Blood Lodge. Billy needs unobstructed lanes to utilize his map pressure. If you can't figure out how to avoid those lanes, the problem is not the perk....
I said it DISCOURAGES camping, I didn't say it stopped it. Also, keep in mind anybody within 40 meters DOESN'T SHOW. To give you some perspective, 40 meters is LARGER than the terror radius. Indeed, it's at the edge of the Huntress's singing range if memory serves. That a huge area to hide in from a killer who might be afraid of a hook rush.
If they have knock out on rotten fields, and is billy, you shouldn’t forfeit your life just because “well normally that doesn’t happen; what about when it isn’t OP?” It should NEVER be that strong.
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@Jack11803 said:
If they have knock out on rotten fields, and is billy, you shouldn’t forfeit your life just because “well normally that doesn’t happen; what about when it isn’t OP?” It should NEVER be that strong.
Then talk about the map, not the perk. Which is something both survivors and killers should be able to agree on.
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@FrenziedRoach said:
@Jack11803 said:
If they have knock out on rotten fields, and is billy, you shouldn’t forfeit your life just because “well normally that doesn’t happen; what about when it isn’t OP?” It should NEVER be that strong.
Then talk about the map, not the perk. Which is something both survivors and killers should be able to agree on.
You’re right, that map is #########. But I still think maybe; perhaps; make billy slower. Would prevent BBQ cheese, while actually making his speed add ons relevant.
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On killer side, there's nothing truly op. Nerf survivors. This is coming from survivor main.
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@Tameki said:
On killer side, there's nothing truly op. Nerf survivors. This is coming from survivor main.I think billy and bbq fit that perfect storm, where although killers DEFINITLY NEED A BUFF, the billy BBQ combo is too strong, and in a way killers should never be. The ability to just be on top of someone because of aura you get many times throughout the match, in a very predictable manner.
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@Jack11803 said:
@FrenziedRoach said:
@Jack11803 said:
If they have knock out on rotten fields, and is billy, you shouldn’t forfeit your life just because “well normally that doesn’t happen; what about when it isn’t OP?” It should NEVER be that strong.
Then talk about the map, not the perk. Which is something both survivors and killers should be able to agree on.
You’re right, that map is #########. But I still think maybe; perhaps; make billy slower. Would prevent BBQ cheese, while actually making his speed add ons relevant.
I'm going to have to disagree. Yes, Billy is scary, but he's very manageable if you're map aware. If you choose to get on a gen with no cover with a lane between you and the hook that billy just hooked on, that ######### is on you - not the perk.
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And I’m saying a perk shouldn’t grant you the survivors location long enough to completely approach them. BBQ should not under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, be able show you the survivor long enough to see them physically, seeing how it’s punishing others for teammates mistakes. Also, I’ve played billy to rank 1, have him p3, BBQ is strong as HELL! And it’s a BP perk.
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@Jack11803 said:
@FrenziedRoach said:
BBQ and Chili encourages killers to leave the hook and encourages non-tunneling behavior by rotating hooking survivors.Why on earth would you want to nerf something that creates what many survivors "claim" they want us to do?
This is one of the best perks to encourage desired behavior in the killer community, don't you dare touch it!
Especially since it's so easily counterable, it's pathetic.
It's not the perk's fault you lack the game awareness to position yourself in such a way to not be a target. In the words of Mr Cote ... "Get Good"
Like I said before, the perks perfectly fine except on hillbilly it’s too strong, whether they do something to bbq or billy I don’t know, but that combo should not be as ridiculous as it is now. Also, BBQ didn’t stop camping, killers always say hide behind a gen so no aura is seen, but then claim if no aura is seen they must be hook diving.
takes 1-2 seconds to look fully around after hooking...takes 2.3 seconds to rev chainsaw without addons...already 4 seconds is up.
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@Jack11803 said:
@FrenziedRoach said:
@Jack11803 said:
If they have knock out on rotten fields, and is billy, you shouldn’t forfeit your life just because “well normally that doesn’t happen; what about when it isn’t OP?” It should NEVER be that strong.
Then talk about the map, not the perk. Which is something both survivors and killers should be able to agree on.
You’re right, that map is #########. But I still think maybe; perhaps; make billy slower. Would prevent BBQ cheese, while actually making his speed add ons relevant.
Make billy slower....nice subtle begging for billy nerf there.
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the last thing killers need is a nerf, especially on a perk that isn't OP. it's good, and can be really good on nurse or billy, but it only shows them for 4 seconds, and a lot of mind games can be played on the killer if the survivor is good enough.
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@AlexAnarchy said:
@Jack11803 said:
@FrenziedRoach said:
BBQ and Chili encourages killers to leave the hook and encourages non-tunneling behavior by rotating hooking survivors.Why on earth would you want to nerf something that creates what many survivors "claim" they want us to do?
This is one of the best perks to encourage desired behavior in the killer community, don't you dare touch it!
Especially since it's so easily counterable, it's pathetic.
It's not the perk's fault you lack the game awareness to position yourself in such a way to not be a target. In the words of Mr Cote ... "Get Good"
Like I said before, the perks perfectly fine except on hillbilly it’s too strong, whether they do something to bbq or billy I don’t know, but that combo should not be as ridiculous as it is now. Also, BBQ didn’t stop camping, killers always say hide behind a gen so no aura is seen, but then claim if no aura is seen they must be hook diving.
takes 1-2 seconds to look fully around after hooking...takes 2.3 seconds to rev chainsaw without addons...already 4 seconds is up.
^^^ This guy gets it.
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@AlexAnarchy said:
takes 1-2 seconds to look fully around after hooking...takes 2.3 seconds to rev chainsaw without addons...already 4 seconds is up.It takes you 2 seconds to look around for 1 survivor aura? kek.
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@AlexAnarchy said:
@Jack11803 said:
@FrenziedRoach said:
@Jack11803 said:
If they have knock out on rotten fields, and is billy, you shouldn’t forfeit your life just because “well normally that doesn’t happen; what about when it isn’t OP?” It should NEVER be that strong.
Then talk about the map, not the perk. Which is something both survivors and killers should be able to agree on.
You’re right, that map is #########. But I still think maybe; perhaps; make billy slower. Would prevent BBQ cheese, while actually making his speed add ons relevant.
Make billy slower....nice subtle begging for billy nerf there.
But I use him? That’s why I think it’s too strong? And I definitely agree that killers need a buff. Definitely. Just this one thing I believe shouldn’t be as strong.
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As long as Decisive doesn't have a pure counter, BBQ & Chili should remain, in my opinion, though I dont have it, i want it though
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