Never thought I wouldsay this but I agree that wraith needs to be toned down a bit.
He can unclock at the bottom of the LT and reach all the way around. It is kinda absurd. His mobility is good and that should stay at 150% but I think that maybe that lunge could be tuned down a bit the range on it is kinda stupidly large.
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- There is no such thing as gen rushing! you're just not ApPlYiNg PrEsSuRe
- *Killer that can apply pressure exits"
- NOOO NOOO HE NEEDS A NERF NOOO NOOOOO
I wish survivor players made threads about the things that need a nerf on their side, like keys, or haddonfield, and not posts about nerfing Wraith or Spirit or Nurse or Freddy.
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The best way to avoid this happening is to
- Just go away from the loop.
Especially if he doesn't have LOS over you. If he starts uncloaking at a pallet ready to swing around the entire loop, just go away from the loop. It's that simple. It never occurred to me until someone else did it to me while I was playing Wraith. It pissed me the hell off but it worked great.
But yeah, I agree. He needed a speed buff. Instead he got a lunge buff + a speed buff. It's kinda nuts and there is some stuff NO other killer can pull off. I've honestly pulled some really impossible hits that should not have been possible...
If anything, he could use a lunge nerf, just a slight one.
This will also prevent him from uncloaking behind, getting the speed buff, then lunging to hit you. Not mentioning he can still go further. I've caught people in Sprint burst like this. It's nuts.
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A killer becomes viable and people are complaining. Nothing new, just a good ole day looking at how everyone says everything in DBD is OP and needs a nerf.
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At this point, I think most of us are already used to it :)
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What is the bottom of the LT?
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As a solo survivor main, I've found that most of my teammates simply haven't adapted to learning a new way to play against Wraith because they're so used to him sucking lol
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he has always had that lunge why is this becoming a problem. They reduced the uncloak speed enough to get me to run uncloaking add-ons. Don't get me wrong I love the new wraith but he's not S-tier. So at most we talking A-tier and probably towards the middle to end of the A-tier list so why does Wraith not deserve this? More killers that are viable the less spirits you will see hypothetically. I run everyone from time to time PIG, Fred, Huntress just being my most ran I'm just speaking on the ones who feel the need to run the best ######### all the time.
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Can you guys please just discuss things without making every single thread into “survivor bad” or “killer bad”? It’s exhausting. The OP does in fact play killer as well based on their post history, they’re not an EnTiTlEd SuRvIvOr MaIn they’re just someone you disagree with so why not try actually discussing the issue?
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There is at least a grain of truth behind every post like this.
I play Wraith and I think he needs to be toned down, just a little.
Have his lunge range be in between old & new lunge. That would be great. Right now, it just reaches a tad too far IMO.
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Nah, only change he needs is the removal of that dreaded Coxcombed addon.
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I am a killer main...
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I always hated his lunge but I didnt mind it cause that was literally the only thing he had going for him. Now he has really good mobility and can catch up after hits really fast anyway so I just personally don't think its needed.
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The long walls that look like L's and T's OP is saying he can lunge all the way around them. Those are some of the best locations for survivors so any killer that can do some damage there will cause flak. Thats not aimed at OP either just in general.
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I dont find any of his addons to be an issue. Like coxcombed just mean you have to pay an extra bit of attention to where the killer is.
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If you were then you wouldn't be asking for a killer to be nerfed. Same as you never see survivors asking for nerfs on their side.
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Wraith is average at best. Certainly nowhere near the top. While he’s great at catching people out of position, he’s one of the worst chasers in the game when it comes to safe loops/pallets. There is no way he can catch you at a T&L by uncloaking, not unless you mess up and put yourself in a bad spot. If you run the tile well he is forced to chase you as an M1 killer with no power otherwise the T&L becomes an infinite.
What Wraith is excels at is patrolling the map relatively quickly and catching people out position for a free hit. If he is giving you a hard time, try to only do gens by safe pallets/loops and things will go much more smoothly.
Use windows of opportunity and just run him from pallet to window to pallet across the map and laugh as your team smash the gens. If he’s smart he’ll leave you alone after a couple pallets.
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his un cloak speed boost has been increased from 1 to 1.25 seconds. So you actually have that extra time to use the lunge
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I think he is fine as is. He is finally decent now people just have to adapt to him. And it only makes sense you're seeing more of him now that the players of the Twins, Hillbilly, and Freddy need to find new killers. Kind of crazy how overnerfed killers see less play therefore other killers see more. People are just excited he is finally viable (and yes I know "every killer is viable" but this make him truly viable) so just let him be for a while y'know let him have his 15 minutes of fame.
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I wouldnt consider LTs one of the best locations for survivors. Maybe most of the survivors play them wrong but it is pretty easy to get hits at them with like a very basic mindgame.
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There is nothing that makes me agree more with ops than a ######### counterargument like this one
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Yes let's nerf the far weaker version of Blight as he's too strong even when compared to him he does everything worse besides stealth.
He's still only decent at best. Some decent mobility, some decent stealth but his chase is at best mediocre. Basically nobody ranks him higher then high C tier and for a good reason.
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Or you could take a mental note of his lunge range and react faster.
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Personally I just think they shouldn't of buffed his lunge duration by an extra quarter of a second it was fine where it was.
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I get that but removing that and just giving him mobility around the map he would be c-tier. Problem is the goal should be to get all the lower tier killers a bit more viable to reduce the lets say not so fun killers that survivors will see abundance of when MMR comes out. Wraith was one of them and I feel he in a good spot. He got some arsenal now but not like nurse and spirit so people just got to learn to adapt I hope.
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Good point I am probably just thinking of wraiths old lunge and am not used to his new lunge and thats why I am so surprised by the length.
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But as some have said get rid of that and he is almost back where he started the ability to get hits is his real power if he does not have the ability to get hits and have to bodyblock again that sucks and he would not see as much play. At least thats my opinion.
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I'm a red rank 1 wraith that has zero concept on how to run loops lmaooo. Literally I just put up a guide that says I avoid L T walls
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Sorry bud but unless they reverted something I missed recently in the patch notes you are thinking of this backwards. His uncloaking speed was 1 sec and is now 1.25 that's SLOWER even if it is .25 seconds that's still .25 seconds of distance for survivor while he is barely moving while uncloaking which is why he gets the speed boost/lunge after.
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Killer mains were requesting freddy be nerfed.
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I think people are overreacting to this. He cannot swing fully around the average T and L walls with one swing to hit a survivor. He can get a good head start in a short chase around them, but survivor who keeps their eye on him and is quick can easily avoid a hit and move on to the next tile.
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Ok I think I get you now I was talking about just his uncloak speed was slower allowing more distance I remember that they added the .25 to the lunge now. My wires got crossed there answering to multiple people. When I play him I just felt when uncloaking it took a bit so I put 1 uncloaking add-on and bone clapper my usual.
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I don't understand, Wraith is still an M1 killer?
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Its post- uncloak. I'm red rank wraith and I know it takes a full 3 seconds to uncloak. green + purple addons make it 2 seconds. post uncloak move you at 6.9 ms for 1.25 seconds. you move at a standard 6.0 ms for cloak speed. 1.6 ms is the the uncloaking speed
It takes 1.5 seconds before they hear the bell so they have 1.5 before you fully uncloak. which is interesting 1.6ms for 1.5 seconds + 6.9 for 1.25 seconds. Gives you an exact average of 4.0 ms.
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Wraith can spam his power at loops. Wraith has charge time addons. He is just old Billy with half damage but guaranteed hits/pallet drops. He needs a huge nerf if Billy sets the standard for what a killers power should be.
Remove his charge time addons, remove his braindead auto-aimed lunge, remove the ability to spam his power and add a cooldown. I thought power spamming and charge time addons were "oppressive and unfair"? I thought all killers needed a resource management minigame? I thought killers should have to m1 on it's own from time to time?
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I do. A good wraith with coxcombed with not approach in a predictable manner nor will get into breathing range before pouncing. A bad one will mostly be carried by the addon and nothing else. Either way, I don't approve of addons that remove the main counterplay to a killer power.
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I wish we could.
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There's no purpose to spamming his power. He has no need for a cooldown.
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Really? Have to disagree again because this is a high traffic area for survivors. Whether or not good killers can mindgame you and get hits is beside the point if a killer has to take the time to mind game you that's great it's better than most pallet locations and great survivors can be a lot of fun to mind game there. When there is no pallet to seperate you from killer shack or T/L is where they run.
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Any wraith that does spam it is a a bad wraith. There are near zero reasons to do it
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Ah yes, "killer mains"
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Exactly, which is why there should be a system in place to punish those who do. That exact argument was what got billy his cooldown.
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Here we go...
"I never thought I would say this, but " At least it's an original way to start an OPplzNerf topic instead of "I play both sides but..."
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His punishment is doing it in the first place. He won't get the hit and if he does it. He doesn't build blood lust, it resets to zero. And it takes 4.5 seconds cloaking and uncloaking each time. If you uncloak and cloak multiple times you move slower than the survivor, speed boost included
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That is interesting actually especially how combining a green and purple takes a whopping 1 second off. I use the entire roster at rank 1 except the twins who I am now boycotting because they have just been completed you know what not the time but excluding indoor maps he has Scubba Steve's feet, The growling, the bell, and of course Spine chill assuming you didn't see his whisper already which I never do. Wraith is fine. I'm done.
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Billy would give survivors 5.5 seconds of free time when spamming his power. He moved at 100% ms when doing so, was stunned if you missed, and you could dodge his power. I don't see why this means bad wraiths should get to spam their power for free hits when their drawbacks aren't anywhere as bad. And you can use charge time addons on wraith so 4.5 seconds is basekit.
You gain distance back while cloaked and recover any lost time during the lunge that is guaranteed to hit if you know how to use it. Good wraiths won't be effected by adding a cooldown.
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Are you talking about spamming at loops or spamming his power? How does wraith gain back the distance at loops? Even if you're stuck on the survivors butt at the loop a survivor literally just has to run under pallet and drop it
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Yh but what is the bottom? I dont understand why you couldnt loop wraith there.
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You can.
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I'm actually confused how you don't reach a window in time. You have a full 3 seconds to see him uncloak and he's barely even moving also
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Where are your posts asking for killer to be nerfed?
Maybe make some constructive posts instead of crying that someone wants your side nerfed.
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