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Who is the Worse Killer?

Gnarly
Gnarly Member Posts: 429
edited May 2021 in Polls

Looking at the clearly lesser killers, who has the hardest time? Who has the least amount of control in a match. If you think one ain't listed is the worse...say who and why.

Ik Trickster isn't on the Poll, but he has a ranged based ability and due to that he has clear advantages and can't be played around his ability. Plague is range, but if you don't heal and just do gens, she will struggle just like Legion.

Who is the Worse Killer? 109 votes

Clown
14%
AdelooSeiko300musstang62ParallaxGothicPrincessFFirebranddIAmShadowZzz[Deleted User]selflessneaTurtleSushiTVikinqgalaxyMarioBrosMastersimpforfelixOtakucherrysSargon_BRGGSlushy 16 votes
Legion
15%
snowflake102Midori_21konchokRougualKeezoMrPenguinGeneralVInsaneCoasterRoboMojoHermitGnarlyChurchofPigBabawizwizWishIcouldmain[Deleted User]syainTheLegendarium 17 votes
Trapper
42%
WeederickkodiakyMister_xDBlueberryTapeKnotJacoby2041DemiurgUnnamed_Freak[Deleted User]Soulslayer618BeHasUFreddoDBD78Scary_Punk_GhostlandromatElcopolloMadLordJackLusiem9glitchboiFobbo 46 votes
Pig
4%
PassarinoT[Deleted User]ash13BigBallPeanutBristles 5 votes
Plague
0%
Jarol 1 vote
Other
22%
White_OwlWoodywoolDimekFrontdoor6Dr_LoomisIts_Slum_Chip[Deleted User]YatolDabihwowSpookyPumpkinPiezDerZuntor Antares2332TripleStealHex_LlamaSOMENINJANAMEJimboMasonRyRapsYTryseterion[Deleted User]Trickstaaaaa 24 votes
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  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    I always be saying that bad killer's are useless in chase. Those 5 definitely have little to no threat mid chase.

  • ryseterion
    ryseterion Member Posts: 445
    Other

    Currently its none of these but actually trickster imo. He may be decent in chase but with his awful map pressure gens fly. Legion is actually a decent killer that has real slowdown potential. And the rest are fine or were buffed recently

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    I disagree with that, Legion only has pressure if the survivors are bundled. I don't think Trickster can qualify due to the range he gets alone. He has a threat to him in chase. Legion is oh he poked me, now he is running away, I mend sure, but he can't down me with his ability.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    Legion's ability doesn't add anything. He can't down anyone with it.

  •  Antares2332
    Antares2332 Member Posts: 1,088
    Other

    Trickster.

  • twocansofbean
    twocansofbean Member Posts: 200

    Legion's terror radius is 32 meters survivors have a huge head start if they want to run away and waste your time

  • Woodywool
    Woodywool Member Posts: 622
    Other

    With no addons and perkless (as base kit) is Myers.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    If we doing no add-ons, may I suggest Trapper be the worse😂

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    Yeah Trapper needs that bag to be in base kit.

  • DerZuntor
    DerZuntor Member Posts: 293
    edited May 2021
    Other


    If you play Legion against normal survivors that heal against Frenzy, you have to be really bad or be on an awful map in order to lose against them, Legion can slow the game down pretty well, so much that it doesn't matter Frenzy can't down someone.

    If they don't heal against Frenzy, know how to loop and have a Shift and a W key you can't win or you at least have a very, very hard game and probably won't 4k, but that's like 1 out of 50 games at red ranks.

    Legion may be "oh he poked me" but Trickster is "oh, he managed to throw 7 blades at me after 5 minutes". There is a good reason almost nobody plays Trickster.

    EDIT: And with this comment I don't want to say Legion is good, they are both bad.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    Personally I have gotten more Tricksters than Legion in the past month, but you can say that's only because he is the new killer.

    Legion is different from loads of killers, Trickster is just the worse range killer and a range killer is still better off than any Legion.

    I play primarily Legion, Clown, and Pyramid Head...Legion is utter useless when the survivors are off alone from each other, even with distressing. He delays the game if he isn't in chase, any delay he get from his Frenzy is at no value if he can't end a chase.

    Play him like he is the plague, don't heal and do GENS. They both can't do anything about loops.

  • White_Owl
    White_Owl Member Posts: 3,786
    Other

    Trickster. I hate playing him and won't level him beyond lv40 for his teachables.

  • RyRapsYT
    RyRapsYT Member Posts: 300
    Other

    Trickster. He is terrible

  • megswifey
    megswifey Member Posts: 833
    Trapper

    Trapper mains have to waste a good amount of time placing traps that sometimes never even catch people, but I don't main him so maybe this doesn't take as long as I think? Every time I face him chases don't start until around one or two gens pop, and even then most people can hold chase through another one or two gens.

  • Woodywool
    Woodywool Member Posts: 622
    edited May 2021
    Other

    I'm playing with nothing since the beginning of 2021. It's my personal experiment that became a regular thing atm lol

    I played a lot as perkless Myers before All-Kill chapter (was trying to get rank 1 from 5). And I did but it took SO LONG.

    Myers is the worst killer for some reasons:

    • he has limited power
    • if you're going against good SWF that saw you at the start you'll have not a good time for trying to get tier 2
    • he has a lot of bugs/outdated mechanics (bugged stalking bar if you're stalking too long, no collision when Myers is stalking, no stalking actions if survivor runs trough through the Shape)
    • Everyone loves Myers! And respect him. I rarely see the person that gave up cause of Myers (doesn't count spooky Myers build with T1)
    • And even that he has a small TR in tier 2 and good vault speed and slightly increased lunge at tier 3, he's a pure M1 killer.


    Legion (perkless) is better a lot because:

    • they (Legion) can injure a lot survivors and experienced Legion can create a good pressure to surv team.
    • Even if the survivors will not heal, they all can be downed by 1 hit
    • A LOT OF PEOPLE hate Legion and give up or not playing too serious against him
    • against not experienced survivors you can grab some survivors that hiding in the locker while your ability is activated by hitting with it to another survivor earlier or get a free hits with Legion's power the group of survivors that already finished to heal each other almost in your face


    Trapper (perkless) is my #2 of worst killer in the game but he feels slightly powerful even with no addons than Myers:

    • you can still use shack basement and against not good survivors mostly of the time it's a free win for you
    • good prepared area has a potential to WIPE all members of the team. I have a lot of games when I've one hooked guy, chasing another and he got trapped and after some seconds another one got in the trap too. After some seconds, you have one hooked and 2 dying survivors and it's a strong thing (even works against good survivors) but it depends on random sometimes
    • 3 gened situation and prepared area of deadly traps are your plan B
    • and with your traps, you can deny god loops by setting a trap in the movement route or under pallet/window
    • if you're expert on him and a bit creative you can set some traps in not obvious places that survivors usually use to move around the map but never decide to check these places for a trap


    Trickster (perkless) is weak and at the same time can be strong (in some scenarios):

    • on some maps that have a lot of small boxes loops, he's a decent killer
    • you can use some holes in the walls/shack to throw your blades and even down him by doing it
    • like huntress, he sucks in short loop with a huge rock (for example) and Jungle Gyms and T L wall can waste a lot of your time but you always can don't accept these chases and leave
    • even that a lot of people think that he's like a huntress that requires not a good skill that she needs to be good on her I completely disagree. You need to keep in mind that each hand pose throw has unique crosshair and deal with it. Even that he sometimes can down survivors really fast but Huntress still feels better.
    • Anyway, he doesn't need to stalk/prepared the area for downing the survivor fast. And if a survivor in a deadzone, good Trickster have a hight chance to down him in the next 6-8 seconds.


    Note: it's my personal game experience that I have by playing with all perkless killers almost a half a year and you'll probably can disagree with some things and IT'S OK.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    edited May 2021
    Legion

    I understand what you are sayin about Michael, but he has a game changer in Tier 3. Without add-ons he can get to Tier 2 easily as you have no Terror Radius. Myers can maybe even pull off a free grab. He has outdated design, but he is still better off than Trapper if both have NO add-ons. Stats don't even back up that he is bad. Man is almost at 3Ks a match. He is just SOLID as a killer, but hard to play. Burger King Myers is more doable for me than No Add-On Trapper😂

    Every Killer has bugs and Michael has more than average, but he is a Fun, Balance Killer. ALSO YOU GET A MOONWALK

  • Dabihwow
    Dabihwow Member Posts: 3,409
    Other

    Trickster

  • DBD78
    DBD78 Member Posts: 3,583
    Trapper

    Trapper and console Blight.

  • Hex_Llama
    Hex_Llama Member Posts: 1,922
    Other

    Trickster. :(

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814
    edited May 2021
    Trapper

    I love people insisting Plague is weak.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814
    Trapper

    It's because Trapper has a terrible early game and is hard countered by the most complex and difficult strategy of all... Using the W key.

    Good traps won't help against predropped pallets and good old runnkng away in a striaght line. And that's assuming you got a map where you could hide your traps.

  • Avignon
    Avignon Member Posts: 133
    Trapper

    Im honestly wondering if the person who made this mains surv , killer or plays both because there's maybe 2 killers that belong on the poll :P

    It's actually funny people think Legion and Plague are weak because they're "just" M1 killers (btw a 115% M1 Killer is like a perfectly average like B tier killer) and then put Clown in the same poll , an anti - loop killer.

    I'd say Trapper simply because Pig and Trapper and both kinda rng based, but at least with pig you're RNG kicks in at the end of a successful chase so you're doing two things at once.

  • Dr_Loomis
    Dr_Loomis Member Posts: 3,703
    Other

    Blight.

    I hate that guy.

  • landromat
    landromat Member Posts: 2,193
    Trapper

    From these killers - Trapper, But trickster is the worst

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    I main Killer, but have played a lot of each over the years.

    Clown has a limit on his bottles and a good survivor can make clown waste three bottles in a loop and if he reloads then that's wasted time and more space from you and the survivor. Clown was garbage before his buff and now he is tolerable.

    Legion and Plague abilities always will make them low tier because you can play around it. You can deal with being injured and if you have iron will then Legion has no chance. Also if you have 4 survivors spawning away from each other, that hurts those two specifically a lot more. Legion can't kill with his ability and if he uses to catch up to a survivor, he loses ground from his stun after FRENZY. I say HE cuz I play Frank mostly.

    My Most Played Killers

    1. Clown

    2. Leatherface

    3. Pyramid Head

    4. Legion(TBH IDK WHY)

    5. Freddy Krueger

    6. Michael Myers

    7. Spirit

    8. Ghostface

    10. Oni

  • Other

    Trickster

  • WishIcouldmain
    WishIcouldmain Member Posts: 4,082
    edited May 2021
    Legion

    Bringing in perks and add-ons Legion is the worst. Literally everything a good survivor does counters legion. Spread out to avoid snowball potential legion needs survivors clumped together. Don't heal against killers to save time Legion needs you to heal and he doesn't come with a power to incentivize survivors to heal. Since he has no chasing power to threaten them. Which on so many maps will hurt him.

  • AnneBonny
    AnneBonny Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 2,252
    edited May 2021
    Other

    Legion is kinda underrated imo. Definitely needs some changes to make them actually like, fun to go against and to make their add-ons useful. Stuns are brutal, the mobility provided isn't enough but they can still get people injured fast, especially on smaller maps. If you focus on chase-oriented gameplay, you can do pretty well. Of course, then all the gens get done and you're back at the issue of poor mobility.


    Trickster has literally none and does not have enough chase ability to make up for it.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814
    Trapper

    How do beartraps counter survivors that don't loop? By putting them under pallets? Then they just see them and W away.

  • Trickstaaaaa
    Trickstaaaaa Member Posts: 1,289
    Other

    Trickster range ability is worthless outside of short loops or unless you are running in the open close range. There is a reason you don't tricksters in rank 1, he is the weakest killer vs shack and jungle gyms. He has no snowball potential and he has to focus one survivor at time, and you have commit to getting one health state down if you throw your knifes. Also his 1 on 1 chase is not even good if you know how loop in jungles gyms or shack. Even my friend who does not know how to loop managed to loop him for a while the other day. Even when I play trapper in rank 1 I can get more downs, and not struggle as bad.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    Ah but do you see Legions or Plagues? I THINK NOT...at least he can down someone with his ability

  • Trickstaaaaa
    Trickstaaaaa Member Posts: 1,289
    Other

    Played plague last night vs full red rank squad and managed to get a 3k. Played the trickster last night as well in the same map too Gideon meat plant, and only managed to get 1k but a decent amount of hooks. I think the reason people don't like to play the plague is because she can be kind of boring to play at the beginning. But I do see a couple of legions, and legion can injure everyone, and thus have pressure in the game and he is 115% so I have lost way more legions than tricksters. I only lost 2 times to a trickster since his release. But I'm telling you one of my friend who does not know how to loop at all, even managed to loop him the other day when played vs one, so take as you will. I think you should play the trickster in red ranks too see how hard it truly is vs competent survivors not even goods ones just regular ones.

  • Kirkylad
    Kirkylad Member Posts: 1,927
    Trapper

    Trapper, his set up time is to much considering survivors can just disable them and have him waste his time for nothing.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    Trickster can do something to end chases. He has more steps than Huntress, but he has the same solution. Depending on the map, you can be screwed and Gideon is a hard map for both. Too many objects to hide behind, however most maps favor the range killers.

    Legion is worse in open maps, and people just love th character so much they play him at any rank, like Michael Myers. If everyone is separated from each other doing gens, Legion can't use his ability. I bring distressing and he NEEDS that perk so much. He is never going to down anyone through his ability. If all four survivors are injured, then his ability is even worsen. You can force them to mend sure, but why do that when you can get them down, except...you habe nothing to help you in chases because ypur ability slows you down from stun when it's over.

  • Vyne456
    Vyne456 Member Posts: 848
    Trapper

    I was trying to juke him and then when I unhooked my brother he was carrying someone named selena and then he trapped himself and I also saved another person.

  • Trickstaaaaa
    Trickstaaaaa Member Posts: 1,289
    Other

    Yeah I don't think you ever played trickster. Because he actually plays more similar to the plague in the way her vomit works. They both have the same counter, you try to avoid short loops vs both in that way. But how ever plague is way more stronger than him since she can throw her vomit in jungle gyms and shack and actually get you. And believe it or not gideon is one trickster best maps if you are on the top floor. But that is the thing for trickster you have to play vs survivors who know how don't know how to properly loop. Because any looping that is not short is very effective vs the trickster. While with legion since he is 115% it's not easy to loop him like the trickster. But I get that survivors splitting up hurts legion but that is the case for any killer. But legion is able to travel quickly across the map with his power and you can get to survivors more quickly. While even with the trickster huge maps hurts him badly since he is a close range killer, at best you can get some medium range shots. But as I said being injured is a pressure maker, it's a great way to add pressure while with the trickster you can't injured everyone with one blow. I actually think ghost face might be a bit weaker than legion honestly.

  • Gnarly
    Gnarly Member Posts: 429
    Legion

    Trickster is not close range. His knives go a good amount of distance. Might be like Huntress were he sucks more on consoles due to aiming...but I never had a struggle with 8 hits. He kind of like bubba, got to control the survivors direction. Legion is helpless in those situations.

    If we look at Plague, she is worse like Legion, because both can just be palyed around the abilities. Trickster will always be able to use his ability. It has extra steps, but it can easily save you time from loops. Legion and Plague can't do anything about them.

  • Trickstaaaaa
    Trickstaaaaa Member Posts: 1,289
    Other

    Sure you can get downs from a far range or medium range if the survivor is 1 or 2 knifes from being injured or going down. But he is no huntress since she can down someone with one hatchet. I actually think legion is not strong as plague, since plague can cause survivors to get injured from her vomit. And at a certain point if survivor are all on injured state then you activate her vile vomit and some will start cleansing. And with that she becomes a short range killer that is actually strong. She can is very good vs short loops and jungle gyms with her vile purge. But as I said trickster ability is worthless when survivors go into shack and jungle gyms. I had matches were the smart survivors as the soon as the see me, they start running to the nearest jungle gym, or shack. And at the point it would take a too long to down them.

  • FFirebrandd
    FFirebrandd Member Posts: 2,446
    Clown

    It might just be because I'm a terrible Clown, but I think Clown is the worst Killer in the game. Like, sure he's got anti loop but that anti loop comes at a cost of your map pressure because of reloading and it isn't that strong. He's kinda like Deathslinger lite. In theory their 1v1 power makes up for their less than average map pressure. For Deathslinger it works because the Redeemer is REALLY dangerous. Like... almost ridiculously so. However it is my opinion that in practice, Clown's bottles are simply not scary enough to make him decent. I'd even rate Demo's Shred as more dangerous than Clown's bottles.

    The other "weakest" killers on the other hand I can see reasons to pick them over anyone else.

    Myers? If you want to be the stealthiest stealth to ever stealth... Myers is your killer. On certain maps, being permanently undetectable is a massive boon and you can absolutely tear Survivor teams apart without ever leaving EW 1. Granted... then next game you get Shelter Woods or Rotten Fields and are super sad. Having a 0m or 16m Terror Radius doesn't help if nearly every sightline is 30m+. But somewhere like Lery's where the average sight line is like... 5m or even less? Myers demolishes on maps like that.

    Trapper? He has the most snowbally power in the game bar none. Yes even more snowbally than Oni. Did 2 Survivors step in traps and you can react to both? The Survivors are now in a very very bad position. On the flip side... he's also got the most inconsistent power in the entire game. Do you wanna roll those dice? Sometimes I do. Also the sound of a Survivor stepping in a trap is one of the most satisfying sounds in this game. I just wish he could carry 2 traps without an add on... but... having a required brown add on isn't that bad.

    Legion? If you want a game where you win by slowly grinding the Survivors into a fine paste, Legion is your killer. He has the most consistent and reliable source of game slowdown in the entire game with his Frenzy deep wounds and easy injuries. Granted, he's got no follow up to that present in his base kit... but... that's what perks are for.

    Trickster? Do you love M1 gameplay but absolutely hate it when the Survivors force you to hold W after them for what seems to be forever? Well then maybe Trickster is right for you. 24m base TR gives them less time to run early, even less if you load up with M&A. Short loops that are impossible to mind game are no longer just holding W until the pallet falls because you can chuck knives over the top. Survivors will be less inclined to hold W in a straight line away from you once you start sending a flurry of knives after them. Injuring with knives loses you way less distance than injuring with an M1 so you have to hold W for much less time.

    Seriously... Clown is the one Killer where I just... don't see why anybody would want to play him.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814
    edited May 2021
    Trapper

    I'm starting to think this much be a cultural thing, because what you are mentioning will ever work against a team that is holding W and predropping.

    You, as the trapper, have about 5 minutes before the gens are done, assuming you're going against an average team. You have no way of knowing what survivors you are going against, and if they're predrop-and-W gamers it doesn't matter. You might get one or two traps off throughout the entire game, and even then you're relying on survivors making bad plays like vaulting windows or running through long grass whilst looking behind them (for some reason, they're holding W, they have no reason to). There are no choke points to trap, because they won't use them. But you probably wasted your own time setting up traps there anyway, only for them to be completely ignored.

    You are assuming there is such a thing as a key area. There isn't. Not at all. All survivors have to do is run away in a striaght line and they will win, there's no stopping that as an m1 killer. Predropping pallets is just a bonus. And Trapper doubles down on his helplessness by wasting his own time setting up useless traps. He is entirely reliant on survivors actually trying to loop him, a completely uneseccary action.

    Edit: By "cultural thing", I mean no servers seem to get super efficient predrop-and-W nearly as much as AU servers from what I've been told and experienced.

  • Its_Slum_Chip
    Its_Slum_Chip Member Posts: 3
    Other

    Console blight is a lot better now but he has never been bad even when getting hits with the rush was tricky it was still possible and the map mobility is unmatched

  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,668
    Trapper

    Clown is not that bad. He isnt great, but he does his job decently.

    Legion has amazing synergy with Thanatophobia, which makes them a lot better.

    Pig has one of the best game delays in the game as her power, only problem is the RNG dependency.

    Plague is a pretty good killer, though severely underrated.


    Trickster is probaply on par with Trapper tbh. But since he wasnt an option here i stuck with Trapper.

  • JimboMason
    JimboMason Member Posts: 759
    Other

    trickster

  • SOMENINJANAME
    SOMENINJANAME Member Posts: 294
    Other

    Worst*

    Jk Trickster

  • Zesty
    Zesty Member Posts: 380
    Trapper

    The problem with that argument, is killers like deathslinger are also good in chase and don't have map pressure. In the right hands, like me for example, trickster can actually be quite scary, even against sweaty TTV squads.

  • Zesty
    Zesty Member Posts: 380
    Trapper

    My favourite killer, I decimate at rank 1, even against sweaty TTV squads.

  • Zesty
    Zesty Member Posts: 380
    Trapper

    Gonna have to disagree with you on that. A Trickster with actual mechanical aim, good map knowledge and knows when to use their power, can kill even the best survivors this game has. He is actually quite strong, just most people CBA to learn him as he is so difficult, ill just be in the background decimating at rank 1!