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Is trickster really that bad what players make it out to be?
Plz explain.
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I think it's mostly first impression. Trickster release was awful. RNG on whether or not you actually hit survivors with blades. He was slowed down a lot throwing his knives making it very hard for him to deal with loops. The decay timer was shorter so survivors were easily just recovering laceration in chase.
Those issues have been fixed and while Main Event is still bad and needs changes, Trickster is not nearly as bad as people act like he is. He's still a weak killer nonetheless.
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He isn't the worst, but he's pretty bad.
He's better than Legion and addon-less Trapper, but that's about it.
In almost every situation, Huntress and Deathslinger are going to be better.
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Ok thx:) I figured this was the case
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Imagine thinking a Huntress who needs 8 hatchets to injure is good.
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Well I know that lol. I don't rate killers. All that matters is if he's fun
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He's weaker than some but he's not as bad as people say.
The problem with the community is they're like sheep when a content creators has an opinion. Take Myers for example he was always considered an okay killer and all of a sudden dowseys said he's the worst and suddenly we get numerous posts on the forum about him being the weakest and he needs buffing etc.
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Trickster is slow, easy to loop and run around, its knife throwing aim is off. Basically every survivor player is not intimidated by it.
Its the only killer that makes you actually want to dc and get the penalty
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I would argue he is the worst on console. Killers with aim-focused powers are already difficult enough for them, and now you want them to hit 8 knives for a health state? It's just too impractical, even with the reduced recoil he got shortly after release.
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He really is. Any long wall loop is a disaster for him. You waste too much time chasing people
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So true. Is he fun
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He doesn't, but people are going to draw comparisons.
In almost every situation, he's worse than Huntress or Deathslinger.
Plus, he's actually the worst Killer for the majority of the playerbase.
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No. He isnt that bad its just everything he does there is like 5 different killers who do it better.
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He's not bad, he just gets gen rushed. And instead of realizing how poorly balanced the game is, players choose to blame the killer. Trickster is 10/10 at killing. Sucks in Haddonfield but everywhere else he's fine. But since his kit is all about 1vs1 and has no mobility even when you down someone on the very first 10 seconds of the match, a gen will pop by the time you hook him.
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There are places where Trickster's power is incredibly strong and borderline oppressive. Out in the open, at short loops, and any time the Survivor animation locks themselves, Trickster's knives can put in massive work. Also unhooking in front of a Trickster... isn't as bad as doing it in front of PH or Bubba, but it is much worse than a lot of Killers. One good example is that car loops next to Badham Preschool. Against a decent number of killers, that's a reasonably good loop. Against Trickster, the Survivor is going to lose a health state there and go down if they don't leave with the injury speed boost.
However at any structure with high walls, his power is much less useful and mind gaming with M1 is almost necessary. On the plus side though, Trickster is the shortest ranged Killer we have in the game which makes his M1 mind game potential better than either Huntress or Deathslinger. That's a good thing since Huntress and Deathslinger have powers that are much better at getting cheeky hits through windows or off of seeing the Survivor briefly.
Overall, if you can aim I'd say he's better than a lot of the usual suspects for "worst killer in the game". He's definitely not above average though. His release state was a very solid contender for worst killer. Thankfully he's been buffed since then, but I'm not surprised that that perception has stuck with him..
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Yes, he's horrendous. He's a ranged killer who doesn't have a good long ranged ability and takes a long time to injure survivors at medium to short range. He has absolutely no downing capability against a good player unless they run themselves to a spot where he can down them. Zero reason to pick him over Huntress/Deathslinger/Plague. He does nothing that they can't do better, and they can all do things better and more efficiently than he can.
You just run him from high wall tile to high wall tile and he's a powerless 110 killer. Force a pallet break and make distance. He either tries to snipe with knives and recoil while losing a ton of distance or tries to close the distance at 110. Yeah, he'll get a health state easily if the survivor runs themselves to a low wall tile for whatever reason, but I'd say any killer that is completely reliant on terrible pathing is awful by definition.
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Trickster is alright against average Survivors. But if you get some Rank 1s it feels like you have your hands tied behind your back.
He is a fun Killer on average. But he's a complete joke at any sort of a competitive level.
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There are some major differences between Trickster and Huntress.
Huntress has a short charge-up time before she throws the hatchet.
Huntress also has a lullaby, and she is arguably the least stealthy killer in the game because of this.
Huntress cannot use a hatchet in instances where the survivor is in your vision for a short amount of time. If you time your knives correctly with Trickster, you can build up a little bit of laceration, which can go a very long way.
Final thing: If Huntress catches a survivor in the open in hatchet range, the survivor has ample time to get to a loop after being hit by a Hatchet. Against Trickster, the survivor is probably going to be downed since not only can Trickster deal quick damage with the knives, he can keep pelting the survivor with knives after he takes a health state. I've taken survivors from healthy to injured in a matter of seconds with this.
I'm not saying Trickster is better than Huntress or anything, (Huntress is significantly better) I'm just saying that you're sleeping on Kpop boy.
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Trickster depends A LOT on the map, you get a map with low wall obstacles and a good Trickster will completely decimate you because you cant avoid his knives in most situations (Haddonfield, several Autohaven for example), you get a map with high walls and a lot of LoS you will crush him because he wont be able to hit you many times and he is 110 m/s (Badham or Lery's for example).
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Its not that hes bad. Its that theres literally no good reason to choose him over the Huntress of the Deathslinger
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Definitely a mediocre killer compared to others, but nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be. He's a god in low-wall loops and okay at dealing with long-range distances.
"Other killers can do what Trickster can do, but better."
That is somewhat true, but Trickster still has a lot more in comparison to killers such as Trapper, Myers, and Pig.
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He seems OP or maybe I'm just intoxicated by him in general, he very distracting, which is a good thing.I love his laugh, his cooldown animation and just him honestly.
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I think he is a very fun killer to play as. I just played him for the first time this morning and killed all 4 survivors as a lvl 1 trickster. My killer rank is 13 or 14 and there were a couple of single digit ranked survivors on other team and I still got them all with just 1 perk. But that was just 1 game lol xD Umm I am going to go home and play him more tonight and I kind of have a few build ideas for him that I think will make him competitive. I actually tried the huntress and the one thing I didn't like was how often I felt like I ran out of hatchets or missed with them. With the trickster I don't stress too much about missing a knife here and there so I actually play a little calmer with his ability. Every miss with the huntress stressed me out lol xD
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It's too bad Trapper is downed so much lol. I'm not sure where people are saying Myers is bad because he can actually be pretty deadly. The pig is a favorite of mine as I just love the saw movies and I love the bear traps. Though I can see Pig getting a buff soon. I got to rank 11 or 10 last month with Pig and just couldn't stop loopers at all. Pig does feel slow and lacking but I think it's just speed that is off for pig.
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He's similar to old legion without the exploits really. He can guarantee you go down eventually regardless of how well you play pallets or windows but you can often drag the inevitable out long enough that by the time he downs you your teammates will have the gates ready to go. Just a depressing killer in general honestly.
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His smile, those knives, that wink in his eye?
Not to mention the way he dresses - yeah. He's a bad boy, alright.
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ill try to make it as short as possible:
Trickster is a Deathslinger in much worse.
they have the exact same downsides to their power (= they suck at everything other than chase), their power covers the exact same aspect (= chase), but Trickster is much worse at chasing than Deathslinger due to him having to hit 8 shots (that take the same effort as a Deathslinger shot to hit) while Deathslinger only needs to hit one.
in short, there isnt really a reason for Trickster to exist when we have Deathslinger.
even if you cant aim and need help with that, just equip reloadspeed + missed shot recovery speed add ons on Deathslinger and you got a similar effect.
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Don't forget that Main Event is still trash, Killer shack ruins him, and "mindgaming" with a 110% Killer is difficult to impossible, since the core concept behind these Killers is that they have strong powers. Trickster does not have such a power, otherwise he'd be able to do at LEAST some work across any kind of tile.
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Trickster is fun to play but misses the mark. Why does it take so long to wind up? With good survivors they go round the corner super fast and you can't always just hop on to their back and spam your power; And why do I have to put my weapon down first to be able to activate Main Event? These small things really kill the momentum and are the difference between getting a shot and not. Is it worth being 4.4m/s and having to reload? Not really. Don't make him 4.6 m/s necessarily but I think if you just make it so that you can start firing faster and activate Main Event while shooting he would be good. I've been playing him for the past couple of days and I refuse to just play something else. I'm doing my best and I've reached rank 1 killer multiple times with different killers but my average with trickster is getting 6 hooks with all of them escaping lol. Sometimes I get 4Ks but it's because the survivors are noobs. And come on....you sweat as hell to get a few hits then you run out of knives and then your work just fades away with no penalty for the survivor. Super frustrating but at least it is challenging.
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Trickster requires very good aim and mechanical skill for a very average reward that multiple killers do better. Deathslinger and PH have a better uncounterable chase. Huntress has more impactful and interactive shots. Plague (or even Oni) has a better power spike.
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He isnt horrible by any means. He has some really hard counters that take him forever to down and he really lacks 4v1 in any sense. His Main Event needs reworked. Imagine if myers or Onis full charged ability so bad it wasnt worth using. Thats Main event. Only useful in maybe 1 or 2 scenarios. Also i think adding in something that makes survivors have to rip the knives out of them to get them to go away would be good. Right now you basically have to commit once you start going after someone or lose all the knife progression you had on them. Other than that he is extremely lethal in the open. Other killers are as well tho. He could use some add on fixes as well his iris are weird and the one requires such high precision to get value that its not really worth it.
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Whom? Trapper can at least 3 gen. Clown can kill loops. Twins can at least slug and camp well enough. Legion can cross maps quickly enough. All bad, but not as hindered as Trickster is.
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On high wall tiles, mind gaming isn't that much harder. Being 110% doesn't make moonwalking not work.
I will admit that the other two things you said are true. Main Event needs a buff and Shack is difficult to run. All that said, he's still not the worst killer in the game. He is overall worse than Huntress or Deathslinger but he is definitely not the worst.
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Ya I will admit I tried playing him again this morning for the second time and noticed trying to get those 8 hits with the knife to be a pain. I think if they just permanently stacked he would be a completive killer. So what I am saying is if you hit a survivor with X amount of knives it should stay counted on them until you hit them for 8. And even than you could still argue that huntress and death slinger are still better. Ya trying to hit someone 8 times as opposed to once is a big difference. They should make it that the knives slow the survivor down as well. SO not only should they stack and keep the hit counter on until either they're downed or healed but it should slow them by a percentage based off of the number of hits. Than I think he would be at least a B tier killer or maybe higher.
Another thing to note is his perks are actually awesome. But once you unlock all of them as teachable perks they'll get used on another killer.
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On release more or less 100% of killer players could agree that he was the worst killer in the game. Now it's probably around or more than 50% who would say one of Trapper/Clown/Pig/Myers/Legion is the weakest killer. But most would agree Trickster is still bottom tier, and I would say he is but for me Trapper is worse.
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No, he's not as awful as the community makes him out to be (you'd think he's literal Satan minus the fun bits), but he still is pretty bad.
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In my honest opinion I don't find trickster too bad but to also be honest he is pretty bad sadly
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Trickster is basically a bad version of Huntress/Deathslinger.
There are a few situations where he is better -- like in an open area with no cover, you can down the survivor really, really fast with Trickster. but even in a situation like that the Huntress or DS will put you down anyway, Trickster just does it faster by a few seconds.
Trickster is just the weakest of the range killers.
What makes him good though is his perk. Starstruck is a ridiculous perk... on other killers. On him it's okay but not amazing.
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It certainly makes it impossible if you can't catch Survivors off-guard or if Survivors have MORE time to guess the moonwalk because you're 110%. And of course, if Survivors always position themselves right, you'll never be able to M1 them because they'll always see you coming, and you won't be capable of the faster movements that other 115% Killers can do. You'd have to rely on your power to even things out and it's worthless at walled areas.
There's absolutely no reason to play Trickster, a PAID Killer, over Huntress, a FREE Killer. Which should be a MAJOR cause for concern. BHVR absolutely does not deserve to profit off of this chapter, not until they buff Trickster immensely. At minimum, they need to give Trickster some way of doing work across all tiles or help with 4v1 if they refuse to give him map mobility. He's chase-oriented and he's bad at it.
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I honestly think he is the WORST kill in the game. Even addonless Trapper has more map pressure than Trickster does. I think it takes FAR to long to get a down and i think his movement speed is a joke. Hence the dubbed nick name The Jokester!!!
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In an effort to be constructive, I do have suggestions as to how they could elevate Trickster to B tier. I've put a lot of hours into him and feel like I'm optimal. People d/c a lot against my Trickster, for what it's worth.
The recoil has to go. You can cheese it by simply feathering M1, and it only impacts aim at medium to long range anyway. It's an annoyance, not a meaningful mechanic.
Make Main Event into something not spectacularly awful in 90% of situations. Let the player hold onto it, take away the auto throw (just....why?), and lessen the speed curve. It makes Trickster worse and actively hurts him in most situations. I think I actually use Main Event 1 out of every 5 procs.
The laceration decay has to go or the base knife-to-injure count has to be reduced. One or the other. There are too many maps where it's pretty trivial for high level survivors to avoid a knife for 15-20 seconds.
Incentivize going for long range throws. He's currently a ranged killer with the ability to hit really cool long shots, but it's pointless to do it. Either have the laceration meter increase with distance or have the Main Event meter increase proportional to distance. There's really cool resource managemrnt potential if his Main Event ability is actually good and the quickest way to get Main Event is by going for skill shots.
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I get cucked at a large rock because he's so ######### slow and his knives are so weak I can't catch up to anyone and he's so ######### slow I rarely trigger bloodlust making almost every loop infinite.
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He's one of the most fun killers, hence why you still see some people play trickster.
In terms of viability he is the worst. I could list tons of reasons why but I'm too lazy to type them all out. Just know that it takes too long to down people and he's still 110% speed.
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against decent survivors yeah trickster really sucks....but against bad ones...he is kinda decent i must say
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Funny how the op only responded to like 3 posts they agreed with.
But yes, he is the worst killer for a majority of the player base and is bottom 5 for PC
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Any killer can be good vs casual survivors. But the longer I play him, the more I see he just struggles vs decent loopers. Even a lot of the best killer only users struggle vs people who have just the basic knowledge of looping. He is the worst killer vs high tile loops because he is stuck at 110% and taking out your knifes slow him down massively.
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Huntress is in a free dlc chapter while Trickster is a paywall one. Yea you can use shards but he still is sold in the All Kill chapter.
Why would people pay for the All Kill chapter if they can get the Huntress straight away for free.
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Imaging a 110 ph that can only hit what he can see that's how bad he is ohh and have to hit them 8 times
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Technically he still isn't free since you have to pay with shards but I get what you mean.
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You should compare him to Plague instead of Huntress/Slinger.
In almost every situation, Plague is going to be better.
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I think most Killers are just better tbh
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