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Does camping and tunneling need a valid reason ?

Anara
Anara Member Posts: 1,297

First of all Im a survivor main.

I used to be the one who was complaining about camping and tunneling.

But since Ive been playing killer a lot, I can understand why some killers are camping or tunneling.

Sometimes you are loosing and you want to apply pressure by camping or tunneling. Some other times you want to protect a 3gen near the hook. Or you just want to punish a player that annoyed you.

Im not saying that im doing that all the time, I try not but sometimes it just happened.

But I want to talk about the killers that just tunnel or camp as a strategie, like they camp or tunnel at the start of the game, with no reason except its their playstyle. I still not understand them.

So im asking to you : For you, does the killer need a reason to camp or tunnel ? or is it just a legal strategie that is ok for you ? And why ?

Im still learning killer, and I just want to know your opinion.

Comments

  • SweetTerror
    SweetTerror Member Posts: 2,695

    Camping and tunneling is incredibly risky because if you go up against a good survivor team, they'll just spread out and knock out the gens while you sit there and waste time with a survivor.

    I will say though that I have seen a crazy amount of tunneling as of late, far more than I usually do, and I think that all has to do with the decisive strike rework. I think many killers are expecting survivors to not have it now. But even after the rework, I still never leave home without it! LOL

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458

    Your question is based on a false premise. The only reason you need to justify Tunneling, Camping, Slugging, etc. is that you decide to do it. They are legal, valid tactics within the rules. You don't need justifications. If you want to do it, or feel it is important to do it to win a given match, you should feel free. There is no Survivor's Guide for Killers. That is a joke, and only funny because so many bad sport Survivors seem to think it exists (or should). You do you. Only you know what you need to do at any given moment. If YOU want to set rules for yourself, feel free to do so. Just remember that whatever morays you apply to yourself do not apply to others, nor should you judge anyone else if they choose not to adopt your personal code. The only things anyone has to do to be a good sport in Dead by Daylight are:

    1. Don't cheat, either by hack or lag spike.
    2. Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
    3. Be humble in victory, and gracious in defeat.

    If the DEV ever decide they want something against the rules, they will tell us and/or create mechanics to appropriately charge us for the activity. Tactics are not strategies; they are tools. Sometimes Tunneling and Camping are the right call, and sometimes they will hurt you more than help you. Used correctly they are potent; used incorrectly they are no different from shooting yourself in the foot. Only time and practice will hone your instincts to know when one is right and when one is wrong.

    I needs to be stated that newbie Killers tend to face newbie Survivors. New Survivors are weaker than new Killers because the strength of Survivors is in their cooperation. They don't know how to work Generators to milk hooks, how to deal with a camper via Perk or coordination. They don't know any of the slightly more complex tactics required to beat the brutal, simple approach of camping and tunneling. They will learn, but it will take them longer. That is why we get so many damn complaints here. It feels very unfair to them, because they don't know how to do anything yet. The real irony of the matter is that newbie Killers should NOT Camp or Tunnel because it hurts them in the long run. The balance of power eventually shifts, like a see-saw, to the Survivors. Once they know what they should be doing, Killers are always behind the Eight Ball. Does that make sense? Newbie Killers SHOULD be taking advantage of the easier, early games to hone hunting skills. You need to know how to Search & Destroy. Trying to learn it later when Survivors know what they are doing is painfully difficult. :)

  • miketheratguy
    miketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    I'm a survivor main and I've always defended camping and tunneling. Is it cheap? Yes. Is it ######### annoying to be tunneled and a complete waste of my ######### time to be camped? Yes. But the killer has a right to do it, just as my teammates have a right to counter it.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458

    Yep. If Survivors kept bringing it to the same degree as before, Killers would exercise more caution. :)

  • Anara
    Anara Member Posts: 1,297
    edited May 2021

    Thats why Im asking, sometimes its the right call, sometimes not. And I understood that when I started playing killer.

    But there is killers that just do it all the time and Im asking why. I still not understand them. Im not blaming them, I just try to understand them.

  • papabear2009
    papabear2009 Member Posts: 115

    Face camping is the only thing I considering griefing as Killer but many survivors will call out patrolling as camping which it isn't so ignore those players. Tunneling can be a good strategy if the killer has figured out if a survivor doesn't have one of the anti tunneling perks on them like borrow time or decisive strike. Remember it's easier to handle 3 survivors than 4, why would you make it harder on yourself to go for the 2 hooks on every survivor.

    but if you know people are getting unhooked with BT or they have DS you will be wasting a bunch of time if you try tunneling them (it is usually a good idea to get the hit someone with BT but then change targets quickly since they will probably mend then heal)

  • AVoiceOfReason
    AVoiceOfReason Member Posts: 2,723

    Camping should never be your first resort. If everyone is around you, fair enough but if you just stand there with no one around then complain about gen rush, you're the problem. Tunneling is sometimes the best option if they aren't trying to do gens. If they are, get them off of gens until someone is down. If you tunnel someone over and over again and they're actually wasting your time while others are on a gen, again, you're the problem. You lost because you played bad. Learn your tiles as killer.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458

    Most likely for a couple of reasons:

    1. Perhaps they never learned how to Search & Destroy well, and thus feel constrained to doing it. This isn't unlike Survivors that never learn to Loop, so they only evade (or vice versa). A Killer that doesn't learn to do multiple things well, will lean into the only thing they think they can do with competence.
    2. The Survivors make the mistake of rewarding the tactic. Survivors who rush the hook and/or don't milk hooks for Generator progress tend to make the tactics better than they would be otherwise. Survivors that make unsafe rescues, don't take protection hits, trade hooks, don't do shoulder rescues, sabotage hooks, or steal chases shrink the scope of the Survivor options. Those options are the counter play to tunneling and camping. Most of what the Killer must do is in response to what Survivors require of them.
    3. And some Killers simply have a long term strategy of the 3-Generator Lock from the very start. Bear in mind a 3-Gen is a STRATEGY. Tunneling, Camping, Slugging, etc. are just tactics. However, if you are carefully and methodically going to defend a 3-Gen, you well end up camping a certain section of the map and therefore camping anyone you hook within that territory. It means, since you don't want to stray from it, that you will tunnel out of necessity to maintain what little pressure you can by keeping at least one Survivor in it and/or removing them from the game as rapidly as possible. You get the extra pressure from people who might TRY the rescues. The 3-Gen isn't an automatic win button. Good Survivors know how to avoid a 3-Generator, but they must be mindful. Killers attempting to keep that 3-Generator plan can shoot themselves in the foot because if it gets broken suddenly, they have given up a lot on a late game bet.
  • Anara
    Anara Member Posts: 1,297

    I agree, I always try to go for the one on the generator. But Ive seen killers that just dont care and camp and tunnel whatever happened, and I just want to understand them.

  • ohheyitsbobcat
    ohheyitsbobcat Member Posts: 1,765

    It's perfectly acceptable to do whatever you want as long as it's within the rules of the game. Camp and tunnel for any reason you like whether it's strategy or otherwise.

    It's also acceptable to complain about those things because even though it's in the game, doesn't mean it's not annoying or cheap feeling.

    Personally, I don't like the gameplay style/feel of camping and tunneling so I normally don't do it. No other big reasons for me. When I see it as survivor I just move on without much care. Once you put enough time in you just kind of go numb to it and role your eyes; at least in my case.

  • AVoiceOfReason
    AVoiceOfReason Member Posts: 2,723

    It's because a lot of killers never learn their tiles. They rely too much on 1-hit down perks or bloodlust. It really starts to urk me when people complain about Rank 1 killer being so hard to play. I never have much trouble as Rank 1. I play all killers and I play a ton of survivor. I see a lot of people who will face camp the first person then say I was gen rushed. Like come on, Man. Show a little resolve in your argument. Sometimes tunneling and camping IS the best option as killer but doing it at the first down is just stupid. You might as well say, do me harder please.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458

    I agree with you to a degree, but it isn't always wrong on the first down. I tend to do short range patrols and proxy-camp on the first down simply to test how altruistic the Survivors are as I consider that valuable information for the rest of the match. Once I know how eager they are for the save as compared to staying on mission to milk that hook, I can play more effectively. Only on the first down do I have the the leeway to really feel that out. But it is really a matter of play style I think. Face camping on the first hook it just idiotic, however, as it gives up all pressure, tests nothing, and just encourages the Survivors to bang the Generators out.

  • Power_Guy
    Power_Guy Member Posts: 1,562

    Killers would not need to tunnel if gens did not pop like a fat kid with chiclets. (I'm speaking as a fat guy who likes chiclets :P )

    Killers basically feel the pressure to kill SOMEONE, and thus reduce Survivor efficiency by 25%, the second a match starts, because 1-3 gens can pop in the first 60 second chase.

    So basically anywhere from 1/6th to 3/6ths (Using the 'open exit gates' as the 6th objective) of the Survivors objectives can pop in the time it takes a Killer to get 1/12th (If you subscribe to the 'All Killers should have to 12 hook!' babble) to 1/4 (if he manages to kill every Survivor on first hook) of his own objective.


    The time limit is so weighted against Killers that they HAVE to get that first kill ASAP to slow things down. Or they lose within minutes. Their whole weapon is 'Slow that [BAD WORD] down' while Survivors try to go as fast as possible. They have to create time where none exists at the start, and that means confirming a kill ASAP.


    THAT is why Killers tunnel & camp. I mean, other than the obvious 'he did it to be a jerk' thing. It's the TACTICAL reasoning behind it.

  • Grandpa_Crack_Pipe
    Grandpa_Crack_Pipe Member Posts: 3,306

    Nope.

    Play how you wanna play.

  • AVoiceOfReason
    AVoiceOfReason Member Posts: 2,723

    I just wander off to whoever I see with BBQ if they're on or near a gen then I whack 'em off and chase. That's more of my playstyle. It's pretty effective. Except as Legion, I stab 2 and chase the second if I don't see anyone else nearby but that's mainly because it's Legion and I lose time if I try stabbing them all in 1 frenzy with little pressure. If they stay injured, I just mindgame. If they all heal, I frenzy again lol. That's just my playstyle. Depending on the killer, I play different. I REALLY enjoy playing as Plague. I don't really know why but something about them healing with my fountains just to pay them back double for the trouble is just really enjoyable lol.

  • GargledFire
    GargledFire Member Posts: 83

    No it doesn't need a valid reason. Many people are selfish and do it "Because I can" or "Why should I care" or "I play this multiplayer game like a single player game"... probably some of the most childish killers out there.

    Have fun getting gen-rushed when people learn how to properly beat those strategies, so you can complain gen speeds need to be nerfed.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,981

    I seem to tunnel pretty well in high Ranks.

    It isn't something that goes away, it's just used more tactically.


    "Gen rushing" and "tunneling" are the exact same thing. Both teams are trying to complete their objective in the most efficient and quickest way possible.

  • Friendly_Blendette
    Friendly_Blendette Member Posts: 2,923

    It does not need a valid reason but I like to avoid it unless I have a good reason like a key that I need to get rid of or their profile is covered in slurs because at the end of the day it is another person that its happening to and I want them to enjoy the game they bought too.