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Spirit Haters
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I dont think 100% players have Spirit because its behind a DLC.
You dont need post phase speed boost to down a survivors. You only need to release M2 near a survivor and still able to down them.
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So, do you also not use bbq, doctor, hag, any instadown killer, or swf? Becasue they all bypass the games mechanics, you know?
The problem with spirit is that its one of the few killers that bypass most players favorite mechanic.
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I've been playing Spirit more frequently and no, I don't restrict myself to perks or add ons. It's whatever I feel like slapping in there (Haunted Grounds is always a must hehe), revel in all the dc's after I smack them post phase.
I don't hate going against her anymore once you know how she works, she becomes only a bit easier to dodge / juke. Usually if it's a super good Spirit player, it's all ggs from the moment the game starts tbh. But yeah I don't mind going against her much anymore. I'm aware of the standing still flick so I don't tend to fall for it which results in a stand off between me and her which then, in that moment, she knows that I know. I call her bluff on it often. Sometimes it works out and sometimes wouldn't you know it, she actually phased the whole time lol
Same with Nurse actually. Though I can't play her, it's starting to come easier to juke her.
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Thank you for putting in effort I wasn't prepared to commit to.
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How does BBQ bypass game mechanics?
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She’s a very fun killer to play but not very enjoyable to go against but honestly, I don’t particularly care if you enjoy her or not.
I go against killers I hate (Freddy, Huntress, Ghostface) and I have to suffer going against them. We all have to suffer going against killers we don’t like. It’s a part of the game. You’re not always going to go against killers you enjoy.
If I play Spirit, I play her just like I would any other killer. Don’t like it? Oh well. I know it sucks going against killers you don’t like. Hopefully your next game is a “fun” killer for you. I’m not going to cherrypick my killers though. If I wanna play Spirit then I’m gonna play her regardless of what anyone thinks and that also goes for any other killer.
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Might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think spirit was that bad at the beginning, players just needed time to figure that out.
Even after she was buffed not many people played her, it took some time for her to rise in popularity. Also Stridor was not popular choice on her for months and now everyone uses it, so obv players needed time to figure out how good stridor is for spirit.
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The same way spirit does, basicly. Spirit takes away information you normaly have (like, where the killer is while in a chase), and bbq gives you information the killer normaly doesnt have (like where survivors are).
And this is where i disagree. I dont think it is the core mechanic of the game, it just turned out to be a more effective way to waste the killers time, and thus was turned into the prevalent mechanic by the community. To me, however, it is boring to play vs every killer the same way, thus i like playing against spirit and nurse, for example. I like the possibility that most core mechanics get bypassed by killers one way or another, because that makes not every game the same. Spirit is only so strong because soo many people relay on looping only.
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I like to play her without perks, though maybe only shadowborn.
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That is an insane definition that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You are basically saying that people should play the game absolutely perkless, because every single perk in the game either adds something that wasn't there or takes it away, whether that be a specific action speed buff, information, or a bonus ability such as exhaustion perks or instadowns.
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I have so much respect for this type of ideology. I don't play killer anymore, but when I used to play killer I refused to slug because it felt too hypocritical since I absolutely hate when I'm slugged as a survivor.
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I like that saying "this killer that has zero actual interaction in chases and is incredibly strong and not healthy for the game" is 'hating'. Heck, I stopped playing her because she made the game so easy that I wasn't having fun anymore.
People are killing themselves on the hook against Spirit because they know how little actual input they have in chases and therefore aren't able to use their skills and have fun. Some of the users on this forum, man....
I played my first game as Spirit in close to 2 years a few weeks ago, pretty much won the match from my second chase and 3 suicides on hook. I think that says all there is to say.
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i used to main her and think i was great playing killer. try other killer at last and see how noob i am. lol
but with other killers i'm keeping better at game than with spirit.
anyway i hate her after that and cant stand with stridor spirit anymore.
wish her nerfed already
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Which means that you physically didn't have the time to win against vaguely decent survivors that didn't take 12 minutes to do the generators in a trial with a killer that refuses to snowball map pressure.
It isn't hypocritical to not enjoy going against the things you use or that you are forced to do. In fact, someone's opinion carries much more weight if they have extensive experience on both sides of the argument.
Edit: To clarify, hypocrisy is saying "only scumlords play the strongest killers" then proceeding to never take off DS/UB/BT/DH on a Blendette.
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That last paragraph... YOU CAN'T SAY THAT HERE!
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She is my Revenge killer. lol I lose a match I pull her out.
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Then you'll like my little addendum even better, I realised I forgot to finish the train of thought on "hypocrisy".
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I find it very obvious nowadays when someone is talking from the opinion of exclusively being a survivor/killer player in regards to balance. There's a lot of obvious tells so I just ignore it. Imo, if you almost exclusively play one side your opinion on balance is meaningless.
"BBQ is too strong, wait what do you mean Dead Hard is too strong/Stop genrushing me, no I wont stop playing Ruin/undying Spirit, etc". After a while I just tune it out.
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No, i never said or meant that. I meant that people should stop crying about spirit, because every perk or killer attacks one aspect of the game, spirit just attack one aspect people dont like to be challanged at.
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I have seen plenty of killers that don't do a lot of slugging, even in red ranks. There are really good killers out there that rarely slug. As for me feeling hypocritical slugging as a killer when I hate it as a survivor I would say 2 things.
First, I don't just hate being slugged as a survivor a little bit. I mean if slugging was much more prevelant I wouldn't play this game at all. I hate it that much. It completely removes every bit of fun from this game on the survivor side for me when it happens. That doesn't mean I think it should be banned/punished or anything else. I just happen to hate it.
Second, I actually understand why slugging is done. It's highly effective. I'm not condemning anyone that does it. At the same time I don't think I'm wrong for saying it feels hypocritical to me to do it to others considering how much I hate it, and you're not wrong for saying it doesn't feel hypocritical to you. It's personal opinion/feeling on both sides.
As for the fact I respect someone that won't play a certain way because of how much they hate it when it's done to them.... that isn't saying they are wrong or right anymore than I am. It's just saying it's a thought process that holds value to me personally.
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You don't quite some to understand the stakes in play: a killer that refuses to snowball would be hooking survivors at 1 hook per minute. Which, by the way, is extremely generous. Perhaps the big 3 could cut down on that time, but not by much due to the physical limitations of travel time that even they must abide by.
The survivors, who'se base objective speed without perks or items is 3 minutes, are under absolutely no pressure. Assuming they are doing gens at half efficiency, and the killer gets their tunnel on, at the 6-minute mark the gates will be open, one person will be dead and 3 will escape.
That is not something that skill can avoid.
Edit: actually, no, I said that wrong. That is something skill can avoid, because an enormous part of killer is knowing how to snowball map pressure, of which slugging is an intergral part of.
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You're trying to defend something I'm not condemning. I never once said slugging was unfair. I didn't say it should be banned or punished. I didn't say anyone is wrong for doing it. As a matter of fact I specifically said I understood why it was done and how effective it is. I simply stated I personally don't feel right doing it considering I how much I hate it from the other side. I even stated that was just my own personal thing, and I didn't think it made anyone else wrong for not feeling the same.
Slug all you want. I never said you shouldn't. It's a highly effective strategy. I don't have to personally like slugging, or agree to slug myself for you to do it and be completely justified in doing so.
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People wanted Spirit nerfed when her PTB released, and they didn't nerf her.
Either way, look at Blight. People thought he was dogshit, after he got buffed when he released people said that he was only "okay." A month later people realized he was actually really good, just took skill to play.
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I play her now and then. I can't get used to her lunge range. It's always shorter than I expect for some reason and it leads to matches that aren't very fun.
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And coincidentally the number of people calling me an absolute idiot dropped slightly.
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wait what
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I was talking about how insanely good Blight was since his release and every time I made any comment about it, 3 people would immediately jump me, call him trash and tell me to learn killer.
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Blight's collision was very scuffed in the ptb. The criticism was warranted.
After that, it took a while to figure out how to maximize his turn rate, which consoles couldn't do until 4.7.1 Not to mention some of it was supposedly unintended. Again, that criticism was warranted as well.
That's not even factoring in the bugged camera he had for months.
He's not the same killer now that drew criticism back then.
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Ah, I see.
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Man, with that kind of unbridled rage you could be brutally dismembered and thrown out of a glass window by a parental figure before making a pact with an eldritch being from another dimension to get revenge.
Have you considered auditioning for Spirit?
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Perhaps is she would be visible when she is 1 or 2 meters from you she can be countered and it would be better
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Spirit's phasing sound used to be directional, survivors could hear it even inside her TR and they could hear her breathing when she was phasing.
All of this was changed following Patch 2.3.0 and basically created the killer we now know. Although she used to have collision when using her power, something which was changed following Patch 3.4.0, if I am not mistaken.
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It was taken out alongside Prayer Beads and her massive lunge.
Edit: btw, hope that doesn't trigger any repressed Prayer Beads memories.
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I've played her a few times. I managed to get 3ks and 4ks with her but she's just not my kind of playstyle you know?
I like ranged playstyles like Huntress, Doctor, Pyramid Head etc.
As for my survivor experience, I'm not a fan of her, mainly because I sh*t my pants when I go against her but other than that, she's ok.
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Too late, my friend. I can't forget the countless times I got pulled off a gen or a Thrill of the Hunt totem because of that damn add-on.
That thing was something else.
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I think Spirit is one of the most infuriating killers to play against given she has little counterplay and is constantly used.
Because of this, I bought her atleast 1 year ago for Adam and.. haven't played her until now because of how miserable she is to play against. Absolute easy mode unless the entire team has Iron Will, and even then you can usually know where they are depending if you see scratch marks or not.
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Things even semi competent survivors will not be giving you.
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Exactly. You can tell a bad survivor from a good one by how much they're touching the ground.
A bad survivor still uses their feet like an idiot, whilst a good survivor has learned levitation and floats along in pure silence.
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Well if we can avoid the satire and think logically, good survivors are avoiding the foliage and the survivor will not be giving you footstep sounds because he will just break line of sight and stand still mind game you since you will have literally zero information to read off of.
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And then you hear their breathing because of Spirit.
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It is extremely minor to near non existent. Also reduced further by crouching. Totally gone when injured as well if we're taking Stridor off.
This doesn't stop me from mind gaming rank one Spirits all the time. Nearly no Spirit is actually hearing that breathing, it's usually the survivor being simply predictable.
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A Spirit Thread?? *DQ myself*
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"Difficult to hear" is not equal to "Doesn't exist". Plenty of killers still hear it.
If you're running Stridor because why wouldn't you, there's always a giveaway. Whether you or others have trouble discerning it doesn't make it not exist.
And if you're not running Stridor for some reason and they're running Iron Will, then if you're hearing literally nothing and seeing no blood if you're not running Father's Glasses, then you can figure out that they can't possibly have gone far from there and just stop phasing because there's no punishment to not hitting someone out of a phase.
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Nurse main here - I hate Spirit and everything about her kit. Low skill floor with extremely high reward, low effort to pull off decent mind games, decent addons but zero dependence on them. I genuinely hate Spirit and would be happy seeing her removed from the game. You know why HEX: Ruin was changed? It's because of how passive you can be to get use out of it. Why is Spirit as a killer ignored in this mindset?
You might ask - Why do I not feel the same about Nurse who is extremely strong as well?
First and foremost Nurse telegraphs her power so you can read and react to her power as Survivor. Nurse is also very buggy and inconsistent and even with perfect muscle memory sometimes a map will cause certain interactions you cannot prevent but also cannot predict. I do love how mechanical Nurse is where I feel like my actual skill affects her power. This is the same with Deathslinger, Huntress, Blight and to an extent Clown. I would however say Nurse's addons shouldn't be buffing her primary power use and would nerf them into the ground but that's just me - As a base power though Nurse is fine. In regards to Spirit she is not.
Personally for Spirit I'd make it so that the longer you stand still the more obvious it is that you're not using your power. Basically just give her some built in Insidious where the longer you stand still the quieter the Terror Radius gets and even make it slower - Now there's an obvious tell on her power. That's one of many potential changes I'd give her.
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with good headphones that non existent didnt exist. you still could hear where the survivor are.
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There's no way to avoid giving a good Spirit information. You cannot hide running footsteps, so you have to walk, and the Spirit knows this and therefore knows where you are. If you're not touching foliage (which is usually out of your control) then the Spirit still knows wher eyiu are because she knows where you aren't.
Just because she doesn't get to phase-lunge your arse doesn't meant you get away.
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You can't react to a good Nurse. That's the entire point of her power - survivors are waiting for her to massively screw up. She tells survivors when she's Charing a d when she's blinking, but... What's a survivor to do with that information besides attempt to break LoS, mindgame, and hope it's a terrible Nurse that goes for prediction blinks?
I've never understood why people use that as a reason Nurse is okay - personally, I just think she's at the bottom of the "needs changed" list because people think she's this insanely difficult killer and don't want to get ridiculed while trying to learn her, thereby naturally massively lowering the number of Nurse players by virtue of the shame of being a "baby nurse".
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"There's no way to avoid giving a good Spirit information. You cannot hide running footsteps, so you have to walk, and the Spirit knows this and therefore knows where you are."
Those sounds are so quiet that very, very few Spirits are actually reading you based on that. It's just generally intuition from most survivors being predictable and survivors think it's because they heard those minute sounds. The Spirit is doing a lot more guessing than people think she is. I doubt I've ran into a Spirit that was able to make reads from those sounds in the last entire year playing ridiculously more than the average player.
"Just because she doesn't get to phase-lunge your arse doesn't meant you get away."
But it does give you enough seconds from her coming out and chasing you at 110% to get to another pallet or loop.
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You really are insisting that Spirit players don't use custom audio settings or increased volume pretty damn hard.
And no, you don't have time to get to a loop just be ahse she didn't hit you directly out of her power, because you probably weren't near a loop to begin with. It's the same as Bligh, just because you avoided his Lethal rush doesn't mean you don't take a hit without any real counterplay.
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"You really are insisting that Spirit players don't use custom audio settings or increased volume pretty damn hard."
The boogeyman that everyone thinks exists that in reality is extremely rare and not being realistic. It gives people an excuse for why they went down.
"And no, you don't have time to get to a loop just be ahse she didn't hit you directly out of her power, because you probably weren't near a loop to begin with. It's the same as Bligh, just because you avoided his Lethal rush doesn't mean you don't take a hit without any real counterplay."
Probably weren't near a loop to begin with? Is the survivor playing stupid? I'm almost ways within reach of a loop/pallet/window. That's also why Blight almost always allowing me to get to another loop after he's forced to cancel his power. Why would you be running around in a dead zone rofl.
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