It's in the math, boys... Enough with the words... It's right there. It's in the math.
You need 4x as many Survivors as you do Killers to start a game.
My Killer queue times are about a minute. Every day. Consistently. In fact, I just had one less than 30 seconds.
It's in the math, friends.
Enough is enough.
Enough words.
Enough redirections.
Enough fallacies.
Queue time for Killer is NOTHING.
Because there are PLENTY of Survivors to go around.
Playing Survivor is free real estate. Everyone knows it. Everyone shows it by what they play.
Take a balance-designed game like CSGO or LoL. Now imagine if you always had to play the team that had 4 people, and your friend always had to play the team that had 1 person. Who do you think would ALWAYS get their games first?
But yet, in DBD, it's the exact opposite. Killer queue times are FASTER. Even though they should be the exact opposite, SLOWER.
How much more do you need??? I am actually asking you this. YOU. You, personally, Guy Who Keeps Saying Game Balance is Fine.
What does it take for you to admit it? If even the sheer, raw math doesn't crack your shell? Do you need god himself to peek out from the clouds and be like, "YES. YES, INDEEDETH, SURVIVOR IS FREE WINS IN DEAD BY DAYLIGHT! NOW AWAY I GO!"
What in god's FREAKING name does it TAKE for you lot to just ADMIT it??????
Enough WORDS. Enough DEBATING or ARGUING.
It's RIGHT the FRICK THERE. It's IN the NUMBERS. It's IN the MATH.
4:1 player ratio and the 1 has faster queues.
GET. REAL.
The playerbase knows it.
EVERYONE KNOWS IT.
STOP.
SAYING.
ANYTHING ELSE.
I just can't take it anymore. Human delusion LITERALLY knows no bounds. There is NO LIMIT to what people will tell themselves.
Somebody help me. Legitimately. How do I cope with this? Why does it even upset me so much???
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Been here a week and already having a mental breakdown... cheers.
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Playing Survivor doesn't equate to free wins.
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Bro you should see Identity V. In that game hunter gets a match literally within 2 seconds of pressing the button. I've played that game on and off since 2018 and I don't think I've ever waited longer than 10 seconds for a match as hunter but survivors have to wait several minutes. Technically you could say survivors have to wait 100 times longer and it would be true
Good thing it's not that bad in dbd... yet 😅
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Barely managed 2 Survivor games in a single hour and the matches were short. Wish we had more killers.
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I get faster survivor queues in morning/afternoon, with slow killer times.
But faster killer queues in evening, and slow survivor times.
Its never fact it depends which time of day.
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Yes 4:1 would be needed to not wait, but in real life maybe 8 times more people want to play survivors, so then survivors have to wait.
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Balance isn't the issue so much as unbalanced matchmaking. A Nurse can go into every trial and maybe lose 1.
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Yes, popular response, but doesn't actually make any damn sense.
What, you think we meet up at our Killers Convention and say, "Alright, what time you all wanna queue up every day?"
"Jimmy suggests nighttime? Sounds great. For all of you on the other side of the planet, try to remember when our nighttime is."
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Only shows that queue time changes depending on the time of the day.
Fast killer queue in the evening and fast survivor queue during the day.
Most possible reason being that people actually play both sides and that during the day they play killer because there are solo but in the afternoon when their friends arrives either from work or school, they play together in SWF. and the more the time passes the longer the survivor queue is because most people arrive from school or work
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Survivor queue times are slower the later the day goes on and it has nothing to do with how easy or difficult their games are.
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Man I just can't do this ######### anymore.
Got a 0k game, where the Survivors were sitting there trying to coach me on my mistakes. My little micro mistakes, like LITERALLY telling me... in this scenario...
Gates are open. I have a Surv hooked. I gave loose chase to another Surv around a corner. It's a V-shaped wall, and the hook is in the nook of the V. I'm outside the V. I stop chasing, knowing the unhook is coming. I prepare for them to come out from my left side of the V, heading in that direction. But they could have also came out from the right side.
Once they indeed came out from the left, I was right on top of them (they basically ran right into me). I started to rev my chainsaw. Well, there was a pallet RIGHT there, as well. First Survivor surfed it.
Chainsaw still revving.
Second Survivor surfed it.
I chainsaw the pallet. I keep chasing, but can't do anything really. They both escape.
In the post-game, they tell me I should have pre-revved the chainsaw before seeing them emerge. This is my mistake that makes me deserve the 0k, in their minds.
It's ######### crazy, man. I'm supposed to be a PSYCHIC just to get 1k? This is what Survivors have been conditioned to??? They have it SO EASY, this guy SINCERELY tried to help me out by giving me the advice that I should have preemptively revved my chainsaw with the assumption that they were certainly going to be running right into me, and not going the other direction. Me not making that play WAS MY BIG MISTAKE THAT MAKES ME DESERVE THE LOSS.
But Survivors make 1 mistake per second and it's just totally the ######### okay, because they have so much room to do so. They don't even REALIZE they're making 1 mistake per second, because they still win, and the wins cloud their ability to see what's going on. After all, if you keep winning and winning, you'll surely assume you're doing it right?
It's like, hey, let's play a game of tennis. I only need 1 point to win the whole thing, but you need 300 points. When I finally win with my score of 1, to your score of 278, I'll be sure to tell you all about all the mistakes you made during the game, and tell you to keep practicing.
LMAO.
It's wild. It's insane. It's crazy. It's a ######### madhouse in here. And I can't take it anymore.
This game won't be getting fixed. It's too far gone. The Survivor community has an iron grip on the game.
AN IRON GRIP.
Why keep being the sucker that plays Killer???
I'm not doing this anymore. Find somebody else to be your punching bag.
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Bye.
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I'm just going to try to remain neutral here and say that histrionic posts don't get taken very seriously.
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This post is a lot more entertaining when I read it in angry preacher's voice in my head.
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I think you should take a break, and about what you said before they pointed out, ONE mistake, not the only one probably, it was the most recent one, and what they said it's general Billy gameplay, pre rev the chainsaw and get the down, that was quite a big mistake, but since Billy it's an hard killer, i give you that one.
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Thats a myth.
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I was Cannibal.
And on neither Killer am I to pre-rev a chainsaw without any vision on which direction the Survs took. PARTICULARLY not on Cannibal, as at least Hillbilly can cover some distance in niche cases with a "missed" guess on Survivor pathing.
Honestly - even though I AM angry, and mean what I say - people do read my posts thinking I'm angrier than I am... So I'm glad you got the touch of sarcasm/humor/whatever in my segment there. Because everyone else probably read it like I said it straight-faced.
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Just play survivor. Most killer mains switched for a reason. Devs won´t do anything in that regard until survivor queues pass a certain treshold (if i remember correctly, they said something about 20 minute queues are still fine, but don´t ask me for the actual quote).
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You might be right...
I was playing Killer for the BBQ bonus to BP. But if Survivor's still an overall better farm, I might just swap.
:/
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OK so, with Billy it's usually a guessing game if the survivor it's good, you can't just use your chainsaw when you see them, you either fake it, or pre rev your chainsaw. For cannibal, if it was the old one, what you did was fine, for the new cannibal, it's fine but still not optimal, since his buff (and depending on your add on, for example the chilli make this easier) you can use your chainsaw some Meters away from the survivor and build up speed to be a threat or, to eat a pallet, because if the survivor play it safely, you will eat a pallet.
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Your experience is not representative, and there are a lot more variables that affect queue times other than "one side is easier". For example where I live during the day queue times for killers are atrocious, while between 21 and midnight they are very fast, probably because in that time window people can hook up with their friends and play together.
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Im gunna be honest, you really need a break from this game bro. We've all been there at some point and stepping away for a while is the best thing if you don't want to get so annoyed that you quit all together.
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This is true for me as well in my region (NA east coast).
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I used Ron White's voice, a comedian whose delivery is similar to a preacher...
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You are in need of a break from this game. Take a few days at least, I know how frustrating it can be
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That's my average Nurse experience.
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Not mine. Yesterday i had 2 matches against nurses. First one was a 4 man escape. Second one i maxed out chase points with 0 hooks. My teammates were not so lucky and i gave up after she closed the hatch.
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I honestly find survivor to be more stressful than killer.
Everytime I play survivor and see my teammate drop within seconds, I'm like... It's one of those games. Still won though, hatch escape while crawling was clutch!
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Good for you. Maybe don't think bragging about steamrolling babies is the best idea. I'm certainly not, my opponents tend to get the gens done in between 3.5-4 minutes on average.
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Oh those nurses were definitely not noobs.
Is it so hard to believe that nurse can be beaten?
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It's the same with the kill rates. Killers are killing over 60% in red ranks, some as high as 75%. But people refuse to accept this. I mean it's simple math. It's all in the math. Killers are winning the majority of their games. It is so easy, I think many have switched to survivor for a challenge. It is just simple math. Can't believe people deny this. As long as killer is this easy, the que times are going to be higher as people want the challenge of survivor, not the clearly, as demonstrated by the math, easier killer play.
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it's a mobile game that's gotten licensed content that appeals to younger fans (danganronpa, persona 5, etc.), probably just has more players thanks to more accessibility and it being free.
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A good Nurse literally cannot be ran. At all. That's the entire point of Nurse. So yeah, it's pretty damn hard to believe these were good players. So hard I'm going to go ahead and call you a liar.
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Or, it's because kids are out of school and playing in the evenings. Most of who are going to play survivor with their friends. As for players on the other side of the world, unless a VPN is in use you would never play against them. So it has no effect on que times.
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They're talking about far more than one game.
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During the days its pretty fast on both sides. It's only at late afternoon/evening the balance is out of whack. People home from school/college/work and playing with friends to chill out and have fun.
And us loners play killer instead lol
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- killer vs survivor is a completely different game, it's not like different sides on LoL at all
- you can only co-op as a survivor
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So just because you are bad, i´m a liar.
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You should do it. Swap to survivor and get free and easy wins. You’ll see just how easy it is to play survivor and win every game and can report back here on your long, effortless escape streaks. Seems like a no brainer to me.
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How much caffeine did you drink today
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Exactly, this is a big factor. During the day, there are a lot of solo players because not everyone is off work. This means more people play killer.
At night, more people want to play with friends and unfortunately, you can't do that as killer (except in custom games).
I don't really think balance has anything to do with it.
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Will it ever end? Queue for the killer is quick only during the evening and the night. If you try playing killer at ~15:00 you will see the opposite. It used to take me up to 20 minutes to find a game as Killer during daytime, now I've just given up and only play killer after 21:00.
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To this way over bloated post
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While this game does have awful, awful balance, I have enough 4Ks under my belt to say that survivor is absolutely not a free win. Even though it feels like it half the time.
The main reason it seems unfair for the killer (in my opinion, and I'm not asking you to share my opinion) is because of how shoddily made this game is. Pretty much every tactic in use now or previously was most likely an exploit at some point on the game's life. Moonwalking, Bodyblocking (BT or otherwise), Genrushing, and even Looping in general were (or are, depending on your opinion) exploits, and a lot of the time they feel like it despite being accepted as valid tactics.
Most of the ways survivors can express their skill is by either just not making mistakes (which makes the killer entirely powerless even if they don't make mistakes themselves) or by using tactics that entirely break immersion and have very little counterplay that isn't based entirely on assumptions (which is why they're used, and coincidentally why everyone hates Spirit [although Spirit is worse because you have no idea what they're doing for the entirety of the match and there is actually no way to gather information on their movements]).
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There are more survivor players than there are Killer players. If the killer pool of players goes down, survivor queue times go up exponentially. If Killer population increases, then survivor queue times go down. Its a supply and demand issue.
No killers=No game.
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Human nature doesn't gravitate towards "wanting the challenge" compared to "wanting the easy wins". This applies to all facets in life. And when you're talking about grand averages of a population, this will ALWAYS be true.
DBD players are not moving towards Survivor for the increased challenge.
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Killer Queue times for me in the morning is like 7 minutes
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Yes, man. That's... exactly my point.
And so the next question becomes: Why are there more Survivor players?
Not just "more Survivor players," either, but... Why are there SO MANY more Survivor players? The ratio to start a game is 4:1. And it's no problem. And as others have said, there are EIGHT TIMES more Survivor players than Killer players. That's TWICE the required ratio.
And so...
Why is that?
Some have one theory, others have another...
:thinking:
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As a math major with a degree, allow me to quote something from my stats classes. "Correlation is not causation." There are MANY other factors. For a year and a half, I didn't even touch survivor. It didn't appeal to me until Ash dropped because the literal thing that brought me to the game was getting to play as killer. Even now, with the tomes. Every tome, I've done every killer challenge, but still have a bunch of survivor challenges left on several of them. To me, killer is just more fun. Both sides are equally as frustrating to me at times. You can't say, "More people play survivor, therefore survivor is better, and killer isn't balanced." No, that's not how it works. What if there are just more people that WANT to play survivor?
Ps.: Hell, I've played so little survivor lately, my survivor rank dropped to 20 this last reset.
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