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Camping and Tunnelling are not a bannable offense even if you're wearing a Pride charm.
To get some things out of the way, I'm not a dev, things I say can be wrong when it relates to this, I'm aware some people might get on my ass over this discussion (and no I'm not saying this to defend myself). The reason I made this discussion was because of a survivor video portraying a killer as camping and tunnelling them due to their pride charm (it was their first hook state during EGC) with a large amount of the comments saying they can be banned or even some demanding to know their account details.
With that out of the way, it doesn't matter if you're wearing the charm, you still need PROOF that the killer (or teammate) was actively targeting you because of the charm. It can be argued with video evidence if they only go for you from the get go, but don't just assume the killer is targeting you for what you're wearing just because they started tunnelling and camping once the match got rough. If they insult you because of the charm in the after-match chat, grief you, or harass you over and over, then that is proof justifying a report, but tunnelling and camping are not (likely with some exceptions).
The last thing I want to see is people getting mass reported with the charm being used as an excuse just because they played to win (especially with that auto-ban system mentioned in the works).
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I forgot to mention that it's the same thing the other way around, survivors have always tea-bagged, flashlight and emote spammed in front of killers, equipping the Pride charm doesn't justify reporting them now.
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And to add to the issue is that you can't even communicate with players from other platforms, so there's no way to even gain that proof. I see either a lot of people getting banned on baseless reports or people getting away with targeting people for the charm because they simply can't get proof.
It's sad because I'm happy that the LGBT+ portion of the community gets this charm, but I also feel like it will be misused by those who just want to troll and offer a new route for toxicity toward people of that community...
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If you specifically target someone because they have the charm, its targeted harassment (usually if they kill only the people with the charm and farm with the rest or if they are to say it in endgame chat)
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That's why I said there's likely exceptions, because in that it's very likely that's the reason behind the tunnel and camping. It's fair to report them in that scenario, but that's not what I'm talking about.
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Not sure how that would be any different then a killer purposefully going after the megheads. Also it's basically impossible to prove anyway, thus un-enforcable.
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The problem I see with it is the farming immediately afterwards.
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It’s funny to me how big of a deal wearing this charm is, when in reality they are so tiny that I never even notice them on survivors. With killers they are a lot more obvious because of their hook placement.
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Personally I never notice charms, but that's the problem. I'm worried that one day I'll get banned for targeted harassment when I didn't even notice the survivor I was camping during EGC happened to have a pride charm.
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This gay ban hysteria is really getting ridiculous.
You will not get banned for sacrificing a survivor that has a pride charm. You will not get banned for tunneling them either.
BHVR's rules on harrassment has always been a thing. They haven't changed, and having a pride charm doesn't give someone special treatment so can we please stop being "concerned" or "worried" that it magically does.
Tunnelers, campers, you are safe to play as you want. Because if you could have been banned for it, you would have already because like wrote, the harassment rules have existed even before this.
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The pride charm won't get you banned.
The auto-ban bot, on the other hand...
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I mean people who do that tend to be pretty vocal about it. That's why they do it.
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I'm going to camp and tunnel everyone who has the pizza charm just to increase the confusion.
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It would be hard to proof, because killer camp and tunnel all the time and for whatever reason. Proofing "but in this case it was this reason"...good luck.
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This. Can we all stop pretending we don't know the rules by now?
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So, you have details on it? Can you share them? with a source, please?
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Devs have said enough on their stream which should rise concern. Either they put it completely wrong and the system will not be actually automatic and will not judge by the number of reports, or the reason for concern is pretty heavy.
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As someone who uses the pride charm on every single character, killer and survivor, I have seen a lot of "wow, imagine tunneling me because i have the pride charm". Like, maybe I tunneled you because it was the smart move. Now people are using it as an excuse to call people homophobes. As a bisexual male, I find that disgusting, and people like that using it as a shield need to be gotten rid of.
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Damn, just a for a charm which is in a GAME
Players need to chill out and stop playing at this point... Where is the fun seriously?..
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It would be odd that during a game where the killer has several things on the go, that they'd take time to target a very small charm.
Unless someone explicitly makes a homophobic comment, then nothing can happen. Indeed, without evidence, claims of such prejudice actually could constitute heterophobia and be treated as seriously as homophobia.
Basically, I wouldn't worry about it. Yet, if someone does make homophobic comments, they should be reported without fail and it acted upon with zero tolerance.
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The reason I'm saying this is because of twitter they said targeting someone because they're using the pride charm is a punishable offense, causing people to assume they can just report anyone who bothers them when they're wearing it. They later on went to say that proof needs to be given which is why I made this post.
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Nope people can't be banned for tunneling or camping. Unless you openly admit it. But the communication with the devs is terrible. They can't come to an agreement with twitter and forums. Some say yeah you can for "targeting" people with charms which to me it doesn't make any sense because anyone can have a charm. They should've put more thought into it.
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In game bans are not issued without proof. These bannable offenses include griefing, hateful speech, repeated targeted harrassment, and more. For the full list, click here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules
Repeated harassment is the key word...you are not going to get banned if you tunnel and camp an individual in game (unless of course you say in end-game chat that you're doing it because they're wearing a Pride Charm), but if you are REPEATEDLY targeting and harassing someone to ruin their game (over the course of several matches), that could possibly lead to punishment after being reviewed by the ACMs. This is how it has always been done, nothing has changed in the rules:
And in regards to the auto report system, I understand the concern, and there is no more information at this time, but we will give the community more information when there is more to share. But if you are playing within the rules, you have nothing to worry about.
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Maybe:
but if you are REPEATEDLY targeting and harassing someone to ruin their game (over the course of several matches), that could possibly lead to punishment after being reviewed by the ACMs. This is how it has always been done, nothing has changed in the rules
is just a bad game design at your end (Devs end)?! I think that nothing exept of cheating or exploits/bug-using is a bannable offense. And if for some unfortunaty luck someone gets tunneld 5 times in 5 games by the same killer its just gameplay.
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Why do you think harassment shouldn't lead to a ban?
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This has no relation to game design. If a killer goes out of their way to tunnel the same person each match they face them and only ruin the game for them, that's the choice of the person who plays killer. At some point it is clearly intentional when they decide to do it and play the game normally with the others. This always has been bannable as it is repeated harassment.
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I think their saying if like i play facecamping bubba all day and get the same person 3 times in a row and they happen to be the person im facecamping. Yeah im harassing them technically but how should i know id get that same person 3 times. And if i do how would i know if i find them or a teammate first. Kinda specific but thats what i got from it.
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I don't know why I haven't thought of this till now but this recent fit of the auto ban system plus the charm has created a rockos basilisk. People are fearful and acting for something that doesn't exist yet, for fear of its existence. The only way they would fear this basilisk was if they were told about its idea (5 year anniversary stream). Woah!
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it was devs mistake to even speak about auto=ban system when they dont have any information about it to explai us how would it work
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In other words, only the things you make up for yourself, is that right?
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Question then, does that admit rule apply to other characters, cosmetics or only this one charm? Also do you mean it as a base statement or if they say they have something against LGBT pride which would make sense and I very much agree with.
Example: A tunneled survivor asks why they were tunneled/camped? The killer then says this in EGC, leaves and the survivor then fills out a report. This only applies to one single game.
- I tunneled/camped you because you're a Claudette.
- I tunneled/camped you because of your dark skin and outfit and I wouldn't have found you again otherwise.
- I tunneled/camped you because you're wearing that outfit.
- i tunneled/camped you because it's wabbit season and you're a bunny Feng
- I tunneled/camped you because you're a sexy shirtless David. Rawr!
- I tunneled/camped you because you're a toxic clicky tbagging Nea
- I tunneled/camped you because you're wearing the stupid Pizza Charm.
- I tunneled/camped you because of the Rainbow Charm.
- I tunneled/camped you because of the LGBT Charm.
- I tunneled/camped you because of the that Pride crap.
Would all of these be bannable or only certain ones? I'm not trying to skirt the rules or anything here, I just don't understand the admitting to targeting someone equals a ban since some things seem okay and others not.
In my example I'd say 10 is bannable, 2 and 9 are debatable and the rest are okay.
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Hypotaticly if there were only 5 people playing the game in the world and the guy who always plays killer would camp and tunnel everyone every game should he get banned for it because he is doing it to the same people? I guess you dont understand my point:
If I play the game I dont want to remember every survivor I played with for ever! when by chance I play 20 games and in those 20 I play against one guy 5 times and then by chance I would decide its the best tactic right now to tunnel one person to get a 1v3 I dont want to get banned because of it! As long as its ingame and with legal means a player should not be banned for playstyle period.
Everything that is ingame by design is allowed and should not be bannable. If someone says in post game chat that he done it on purpose to the same person then its a different case.
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"Automatic system" and "based on number of reports" are not what we made up. Have you even heard what the devs said?
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If you play within the game rules, you are safe. Please know those things are properly checked and it requires a bit more than just 5 matches. There have been and still are people who will go out of their way to only go after 1 person, because of one thing that happened. This can ruin the match for someone. The scenario you describe is more or less that you would end up tunneling everyone, not only this one person each time. It does not relate to a playstyle at all.
If in 20 rounds one player keeps meeting the same killer and the killer only ever tunnels them (and I mean it, only them, they never tunnel anyone else) to remove them out of the game immediately, ignoring everyone else trying to get their attention, ignoring gens being worked on, the intention is very clear if they don't do this with anyone else. Every time and it only happens to this one person, the other survivors are fine and don't get tunneled like this. What you are describing is different from this. This needs to be reported each time too and with concrete evidence.
This is why it's repeated and targeted harassment that is bannable. However, if you have feedback on in game rules, your place to give feedback about it would be support.
Since this is going back and forth and gone off topic a few times, I'm locking this. You won't be banned for simply playing the game, this includes tunneling someone. If you tunnel someone in one round for the sake of tunneling, that's fine, even if they have a certain charm on or play a certain character. However, if it's admitted in end-game chat it was due to specific reasons, such as the player wearing a pride charm or playing a certain character, than can possibly be bannable, depending on what is said. Please read the game rules: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules
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