SWF over comms should be bannable.

One, how would you be able reliably to prove it?

Two, the Dead by Daylight Dev team has no authority to prevent and/or police any third party communication services; nor will they ever be able to.

Three, banning for swf coms will likely be abused if effective enough by salty and malicious teammates/opponents, or to unreliable and weak to be worth the trouble.

Its simply how the game is. I do understand that the devs must balance the game (solo que, casual swf, competitive swf, and killer) towards coms or else killer will remain just as unenjoyable and solo will always be inferior to swf.

OP please calm down.

SWF should just be a separate game mode with different rules. Right now the game is Heaven for SWFs and Hell for solo survivors, because you can't balance the game for both of them simultaneously.

Comms give survivors a huge and unfair advantage, and it's a well known fact.

Never gunna happen. First off the devs have said over and over they do not wish to split the playerbase nor punish anyone. Second the SWF would never get a match as no killers would willingly face them no matter what incentives are offered. Third I doubt the playerbase is large enough to support multiple modes anyway.

We need to frame our suggestions with the single queue in mind. Last stats from like two years back half of all survs were in at least a 2-man, and with solo queue so lovely these days that number has to have risen hard.

Question - how long did you think about your "idea"?

It's not as bad as it appears, unless you face those who take it very seriously.

However, there would be some issues in removing comms:

#1. The most obvious is how you would prove it. It's equally as possible 4 solo players can play well enough to give the impression they're on comms.

#2. Switching off comms ingame can't stop it. Various apps will allow teams to bypass it. This is also impossible to prove.

#3. A fair number of players would leave, which would render the game in trouble.

#4. Most swf are really not that bad honestly. They're given a bad wrap because of the ultra rare top teams. I've faced swf who have been really friendly and positive, and those who are very competitive help me learn new techniques or experiment to get better.

Overall, I empathise. However, it's something that is here to stay, but it's really not huge groupings of death-squads. Even then, if you win (according to what you define as a win) then that will leave a better sense of accomplishment than squashing 4 beginners.

You're better off suggesting workable ways that comms swf can be balanced / solo and killers brought to their level rather than demanding things which will never, ever happen.

Basically what you're saying is you have no friends

Well I think banning SWFs for using comms it a bit too much but if we're honest about it, it is kind of cheating. Using a third party communication tool is something that a) boosts your in game performance and b) is in no way or form possible within the game. If there was a way to communicate during the match in a clear way and over a long distance, like a chat (so pointing and waving doesn't apply here), we could argue about comms being absolutely fine but it's not in the game and thus the game was not intended and designed to be played that way. I think the devs even said something along the lines of that they deliberately not included a chat and designed the game as such.

I also think that almost everybody in this community agrees on the fact that comms can give you way more information than otherwise. If used properly, it's essentially a fifth perk for every survivor and a pretty strong one at that too.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying to remove SWFs or bann comms but imo we should accept that SWF+comms as it is what it is and in the end it's "using third party tools to directly improve your gameplay" which somewhat falls within the definition of "cheating".

Or as Wikipedia calls it "Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay, in order to make the game easier".

If SWF+comms is not exactly ^--- that, what is it then?

Sure, SWF is extremely strong. But why would you ban people for PLAYING WITH FRIENDS

I guess the devs and mods are actively encouraging cheating then...by having rooms for swf comms on the official discord.

Its undeniable that comms do increase the chances of survivors escaping...but it's also hard to deny the fact that, atleast from my experience, it's very rarely something noticeable.

I've played weak killers like pre-rework Clown to strong killers like Blight, and comms are far from the biggest problem in dbd rn, but more so the gap between solo survivor and swf (something that needs improvement on the solo surv side while not making anything too strong).

Not swf itself but the one sided option to gain an additional advantage. The problem is that out of game coms are the norm by now but dbd is one of the last surviving games of the asymmetrical genre where only one side is able to gain advantage from coms (making use of it or not, the potential is given onesidedly, which can only be addressed by giving solo more information and balance killer then accordingly aka bringing all 3 groups to the same level).

Except killerplayers. It doesn't help them 😝

Wouldn't using video and sound cards to alter the game, not to mention playing around with the .ini files, also count as cheating since console can do none of those things?

Ok so how would they ban people using "free wall hacks"

So if you VS 2 2-man swfs you just see everyone?

sounds fair.