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please stop the bbq is still ok after the nerf

friendlykillermain
friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162
in General Discussions

i get it a lot of people are complaining that bbq is still useful because of the bloodpoints but heres the facts even though you dont NEED the aura reading it will be heavily missed and will impact more than you might think just because we 100% blood points doesn't mean we need to run it so please stop saying bbq is still fine its not the auras were really convenient and lets face it all of us has at least on story where the auras revealed by bbq and chili saved your game the only reason we ran the perk because it gave decent auras with a lot of points but if you were to remove one of those ability's then the perk falls apart

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  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200
    edited December 2018

    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Blueberry said:
    It is a pretty over the top nerf, the locker effect should at least be baked into Distortion so it requires them to use a perk for it.

    That said, the change in general is bad for the health of the game. I always leave hooks for a BBQ target unless i literally see someone or scratch marks right by the hook. After this change it's going to be very likely it shows no one and I'm going to assume it's because they are by the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that is more fun for everyone. It's going to backfire a lot when camping goes up even more.

    exactly all these threads about how bbq is still ok i cant stand

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    Distortion would block BBQ for 3 of the 4 hooks people try to get for the blood points.

    Let's be real. The point of bbq is to show killers where far off targets are to entice them to go after those to get more hooks to get more points, and help people get off the hook.
    Also maybe clue them in if there is a survivor near by via the blind spot. 
    Using distortion to block the aura reading falsely indicates that someone is near the hooked survivor when they aren't.
    People near a hooked survivor are going in for the save.
    Killers do not want to give people free unhooks.
    So they stay near the hooked person to catch the person who isn't there and thus "camp" either hard camp, or patrol.
  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Distortion would block BBQ for 3 of the 4 hooks people try to get for the blood points.

    Let's be real. The point of bbq is to show killers where far off targets are to entice them to go after those to get more hooks to get more points, and help people get off the hook.
    Also maybe clue them in if there is a survivor near by via the blind spot. 
    Using distortion to block the aura reading falsely indicates that someone is near the hooked survivor when they aren't.
    People near a hooked survivor are going in for the save.
    Killers do not want to give people free unhooks.
    So they stay near the hooked person to catch the person who isn't there and thus "camp" either hard camp, or patrol.

    and thats where the problem lies

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

    yeah the worst thing about playing on ps4 is theyre buddys will spam you with notifications so you miss out on important sound cues

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    actually as soon as they see someone downed thats exactly what they will do

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

    yeah the worst thing about playing on ps4 is theyre buddys will spam you with notifications so you miss out on important sound cues

    In such games I either quit or "facecamp" with muted sound and music :smile:

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

    yeah the worst thing about playing on ps4 is theyre buddys will spam you with notifications so you miss out on important sound cues

    In such games I either quit or "facecamp" with muted sound and music :smile:

    pretty much i like to stick around rank 8 to 10 because thats were i find the friendly survivors rank one just isnt fun

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.
  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

    exactly if any survivor complains about camping i will simply say isnt this what you wanted? innocently

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    yet another glaring issue these new survoor perks what were they thinking?

  • Freudentrauma
    Freudentrauma Member Posts: 1,054

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

    exactly if any survivor complains about camping i will simply say isnt this what you wanted? innocently

    Just like when the complain about slugging after they decided to break my hooks :lol:

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...
    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

    exactly if any survivor complains about camping i will simply say isnt this what you wanted? innocently

    Just like when the complain about slugging after they decided to break my hooks :lol:

    yup we are forced to run hangmans trick now and whats that? you dont have it well you better spend 5$ just so you can play that seeems FAIR

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    exactly im so sick of the well you still get 100% bloodpoint argument Who cares? we lose the aura reading that we all have bbeen saved from humilation because of it?

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    Slugging is still a strat. boring yes, but works.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...
    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    nope only nes who stand you need deersatalker for the latter

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @strikingearth26 said:
    Slugging is still a strat. boring yes, but works.

    but why should we be forced to play a boring style dont we deserve to have fun too?

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

    pf course you dont NEED It but it still is a very effecient tool

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...
    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.
  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,743
    edited December 2018

    I don't see the issue.

    No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.

    Fair change, imo.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    no, knockout does not show the aura when they fall down but it will if you hit like grandpa

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Raccoon said:
    I don't see the issue.

    No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.

    Fair change, imo.

    yeah but camping isn't particularly enjoyable is it?

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    yes, if they are left slugged, and not camped.

    Also killers who use the addon 'blindness' hinders survivors too...

    im not complaining about any of these perks or addons, it makes different games interesting, as gets boring facing the same perks every single game...

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    yes, if they are left slugged, and not camped.

    Also killers who use the addon 'blindness' hinders survivors too...

    im not complaining about any of these perks or addons, it makes different games interesting, as gets boring facing the same perks every single game...

    but with out auraus we will be forced to camp and lets face it no one not even the killers enjoy camping every game

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    no, knockout does not show the aura when they fall down but it will if you hit like grandpa

    3 times.... when you really need it (end game, and last survivor) it will be gone. and no chance of escape then as killer knows exactly where you are. If we could choose when the tokens get used up i would agree with that.

  • Freudentrauma
    Freudentrauma Member Posts: 1,054

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

    Hiding behind gens work, if you are hiding in the right angle. Especially on the PTB/engine update, were auras are kinda thicker outlined giving you more space to hide.
    And besides that BBQ isn't a game safer. It's usefull. How often do I see survivors complain that a pure bp perk like WGLF feels underwhelming and useless within a trial? BBQ and it's aura reading is so popular, because it gives you bp and an effect that's useful, not op.

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    yes, if they are left slugged, and not camped.

    Also killers who use the addon 'blindness' hinders survivors too...

    im not complaining about any of these perks or addons, it makes different games interesting, as gets boring facing the same perks every single game...

    but with out auraus we will be forced to camp and lets face it no one not even the killers enjoy camping every game

    I've faced many good killers who got 4k before all gens were finished, WITHOUT bbq and chilli and WITHOUT camping... so it is possible, those killers obviously took the time to become good at the killer they choose to play.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    Slugging is still a strat. boring yes, but works.

    but why should we be forced to play a boring style dont we deserve to have fun too?

    Slugging can be quite intense too, for the survivor its almost always boring though but thats not my problem :smile:

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    yes, if they are left slugged, and not camped.

    Also killers who use the addon 'blindness' hinders survivors too...

    im not complaining about any of these perks or addons, it makes different games interesting, as gets boring facing the same perks every single game...

    but with out auraus we will be forced to camp and lets face it no one not even the killers enjoy camping every game

    I've faced many good killers who got 4k before all gens were finished, WITHOUT bbq and chilli and WITHOUT camping... so it is possible, those killers obviously took the time to become good at the killer they choose to play.

    yes but with these changes we still will have to camp when you play for a long time say about a month you will go back to your posts and be like wow how did i think that? trust me we all did i see your mindset but go get some more first hand experience that way you can at least see everyones point of view

  • Iceman
    Iceman Member Posts: 1,457
    Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

    Hiding behind gens work, if you are hiding in the right angle. Especially on the PTB/engine update, were auras are kinda thicker outlined giving you more space to hide.
    And besides that BBQ isn't a game safer. It's usefull. How often do I see survivors complain that a pure bp perk like WGLF feels underwhelming and useless within a trial? BBQ and it's aura reading is so popular, because it gives you bp and an effect that's useful, not op.

    Well since hiding behind gens block aura and as a survivor you are able to hide in lockers now then they should change the survivor aura to orange or something. So that way they stand out when working on a gen.
  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,743
    friendlykillermain said:

    @Raccoon said:
    I don't see the issue.

    No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.

    Fair change, imo.

    yeah but camping isn't particularly enjoyable is it?

    I enjoy it. 
  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    Slugging is still a strat. boring yes, but works.

    but why should we be forced to play a boring style dont we deserve to have fun too?

    Slugging can be quite intense too, for the survivor its almost always boring though but thats not my problem :smile:

    yeah i guess but why should we derive enjoyment at the expense of theirs that makes us as bad as them we need to find a strategy that gives equal enjoyment to everyone

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Raccoon said:
    friendlykillermain said:

    @Raccoon said:

    I don't see the issue.

    No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.

    Fair change, imo.

    yeah but camping isn't particularly enjoyable is it?

    I enjoy it. 

    ok but would you enjoy it if you had to do it every game?

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,743
    I don't see any reason why not  
  • Sheldor
    Sheldor Member Posts: 214

    In a game that relies on stealth and hiding for one side any perk whatsoever giving wallhack capabilities has no justification. My personal opinion.
    Get rid of or modify

    BBQ
    Nurses Calling
    Bitter murmur
    etc

    Small game has been modified for survivors to give only an audio information about the direction of a trap, these perks should be modified accordingly.
    Same goes for scratchmarks. With patch 1.4 and crystal clear 4k vision across almost the entire map these have completely lost their reason to be there in the game for me. Before 1.4 with the blurry old unreal engine they had a good cause and were justified. Either restore enough fopg or depth of vision to blur beyond a certain distance or remove this ultra crutch for killers completely.

  • azazer
    azazer Member Posts: 446
    friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    Spoken like a man who doesn't fish. It's not about the wait, it's the catch at the end.
  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

    Iirc, the generator aura was changed in PTB to be solid, so it might be possible if it goes public. 

    Telling people they need to get good when the game is getting easier for you is kinda screwed up.
  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Your missing the point that along with all the other ways to hide your aura you now also have another avenue to use, lockers. Blocking the BBQ aura effect has become so brain dead.

    1: Get within terror radius/appropriate meters
    2: Hide behind a gen since they matched the auras to the same color.
    3: Fake direction or stand still then move (only 4 seconds)
    4: SWF or simple awareness you can tell where a killer is heading.
    5: The new aura blocking perk (who knows how popular this will be)
    6: Lockers.

    Its comical how many easy counters the aura reading has. Hell I'm sure I've missed a few too.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    strikingearth26 said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:

    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.



I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...

    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.

    yes, if they are left slugged, and not camped.

    Also killers who use the addon 'blindness' hinders survivors too...

    im not complaining about any of these perks or addons, it makes different games interesting, as gets boring facing the same perks every single game...

    but with out auraus we will be forced to camp and lets face it no one not even the killers enjoy camping every game

    I've faced many good killers who got 4k before all gens were finished, WITHOUT bbq and chilli and WITHOUT camping... so it is possible, those killers obviously took the time to become good at the killer they choose to play.

    Or they simply faced noob survivors...
  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,525
    I for one won’t be getting off gens and running into lockers when someone goes down tbh.

    i don’t think the change will be huge and I don’t camp anyway so 100% not affected by this change, I suspect other killers will soon see this too.