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Buff BBQ & Chili

KingB
KingB Member Posts: 747
in General Discussions
If these ptb changes go in effect BBQ will be nerfed into the ground. If it ever detects a survivor after this the survivor is bad. Remove the minimum distance they have to be away to somewhat make things fair. The locker buff is ridiculous and everyone knows it's the devs way of nerfing BBQ without actually touching the perk.
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  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    @Vietfox if you can show me why that argument is pointless I'll concede it. Plus that doesn't really have any impact on my main argument which is this patch un-necessarily nerfs BBQ while buffing survivors' meta perks and not touching the one that everybody hates despite a rework having been promised awhile ago.
  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    @EntityDispleased it's a time saver on any killer. If I play say hag, I hook someone then see 2 people on a Gen across the map I can go straight there and apply pressure. As opposed to checking all the Gens with no clue where they are.
  • ReneAensland
    ReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    Going to have to test a lot of these theories when the patch is released with KYF.
    A lot of this sounds ludicrous.

  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    @altruistic you can only track with your eyes/ears if you have the general location. Yes, when did I say the nerf to BBQ will cause all survivors to never get downed/hooked/sacrificed again? It's not a "free" aura. You have to hook someone first.

    I can't speak for others, but when I have said that I meant the BP bonus made up for the mediocre aura reading perk.  

    I wouldn't, it's a waste of a slot pretty much. NC can be countered by not healing in terror radius, BBQ can be countered by hiding in a locker, in the killers terror radius, or behind a gen. Am I missing any good aura reading perks distortion counters?
  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    @Visionmaker Is that supposed to prove the 4v16 argument wrong? Multiple people can run the same perk, I'm not sure what your point is.
  • ReneAensland
    ReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Visionmaker said:
    Killers: WELL I'M JUST GONNA CAMP THEN

    Devs: buffs borrowed time

    Killers:

    That meme is making me laugh.
    I can't stop laughing.

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976
    I see it more a buf to lockers then a nerf to BBQ tbh
    Hell i would say it's a buff to BBQ as well
    Now survivors hide behind gens while working on them
    After the patch they will waste 10 sec to walk to a locker, hide in it for 4 sec and walk back to the gen

    And i don't know about the anti aura perk
    I think it's heavenly overrated
    Sure when it shines, it shines bright
    But how many matches where you are still at 3 tokens by the end will you endure before taking it of?
  • OakLestat
    OakLestat Member Posts: 125

    I use BBQ mainly for the points. Fine by me. The painful one is losing Nurses Calling. That is a shame.

  • Warlock_2020
    Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,867

    3/10 on the Bait meter.

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    I've been playing DBD for about 5 months now, and in that time every patch they have done has been a killer buff.... I've had to try to learn all these new killer buffs (as a survivor main) and its been hard... for once we get some decent survivor buffs and all killer mains are moaning about it. I know killers want that easy 4k, but its getting ridiculous... Learn to enjoy a challenge, and outsmart your opponents. for every survivor buff they introduce they have given a perk for killer to counter it... Iron maiden, counters the locker hiding buff.

  • TragicSolitude
    TragicSolitude Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 7,410

    @strikingearth26 said:
    for every survivor buff they introduce they have given a perk for killer to counter it... Iron maiden, counters the locker hiding buff.

    Yeah, but the locker buff isn't a survivor perk, they don't have to sacrifice a perk slot for it. But to counter it, killers do have to sacrifice a perk slot.

    If hiding in lockers to block a survivor's aura is going to be a thing, it should at least be a perk. Add it to Distortion or something.

  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799
    NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
    Omg buff all killer perks because it's not like they haven't been favored enough....grow up
    Okay explain. I can take this statement and replace the word killer with survivors and have the same impact
  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799
    altruistic said:
    Seeing the tears surrounding the aura nerf is quite entertaining.  
    Its for people like you that after the patch killers would camp way more

    Would be fun see even more threads than usual about camping
  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799

    @powerbats said:

    @Malakir said:
    altruistic said:

    Seeing the tears surrounding the aura nerf is quite entertaining.  

    Its for people like you that after the patch killers would camp way more

    Would be fun see even more threads than usual about camping

    This is the response every time after every PTB goes up and yet the campers still camp and the people that don't camp before don't camp afterwards.

    Don't make excuses for camping when you were either already doing it or were going to anyways before the stuff was live.

    It's no different when some survivors do it and say they'll just loop more or dc more, tea bag the killers more etc.

    assuming I see, I like it

    Too bad I never camp since it's pretty pointless at red ranks and I need to create pressure plus I play mostly survivor since its relaxing and I can do/listen other things while playing and survive. So yeah, I was just answering that guy being as toxic as him making an opposite statement but someone took it personal it seems

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Malakir said:

    @powerbats said:

    @Malakir said:
    altruistic said:

    Seeing the tears surrounding the aura nerf is quite entertaining.  

    Its for people like you that after the patch killers would camp way more

    Would be fun see even more threads than usual about camping

    This is the response every time after every PTB goes up and yet the campers still camp and the people that don't camp before don't camp afterwards.

    Don't make excuses for camping when you were either already doing it or were going to anyways before the stuff was live.

    It's no different when some survivors do it and say they'll just loop more or dc more, tea bag the killers more etc.

    assuming I see, I like it

    Too bad I never camp since it's pretty pointless at red ranks and I need to create pressure plus I play mostly survivor since its relaxing and I can do/listen other things while playing and survive. So yeah, I was just answering that guy being as toxic as him making an opposite statement but someone took it personal it seems

    Ok that's good then, just that if you look at some of the usual suspects so to speak it's always well this will make killers camp more. They can't debate so like the person you responded to throw out stuff that's not true.

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @TragicSolitude said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    for every survivor buff they introduce they have given a perk for killer to counter it... Iron maiden, counters the locker hiding buff.

    Yeah, but the locker buff isn't a survivor perk, they don't have to sacrifice a perk slot for it. But to counter it, killers do have to sacrifice a perk slot.

    If hiding in lockers to block a survivor's aura is going to be a thing, it should at least be a perk. Add it to Distortion or something.

    Do you play survivor? It's hard to counter perks of a killer when 1, you don't know what perks they will be running, and 2, you don't know which killer it will be. I know you as killer don't know what perks a survivor is running until the game starts or until in a chase with said survivor. But us as survivors don't know which perks killers run (unless its totems) until we get hit by the killer. by then its too late, we are going down, nurses for example, we can only figure that out when we are hidden, killer doesn't know where we are, we start healing, whether its self heal or a team mate healing, then all of a sudden killer comes straight to us and smacks us and we are down.
    BBQ, we only know they are running that for sure when they hook someone then come straight to where you are.
    stidor, same thing finish a gen move away from gen to hide but killer knows exactly where you are, whispers... etc etc. so many more perks for killer to find us. we have no perks to counter any of those. even iron will doesn't help against whispers, bbq, stridor etc.

    I think the only perks we have to counter any killer perk is ones where they warn us when a killer is nearby even if we cant see them.
    I know I'm biased, as I main survivor, but I am happy about the new changes. for once I feel they are trying to balance the game, and survivor actually have a chance against a decent play (or one that likes to down and 4k instantly). So many games I play the killer gets the 4k, not necessarily because they are skilled, but because they have so many aura reading perks. Now for those killers it will be more of a challenge...
    Also lets talk about BBQ for its points... as a survivor we have 1 perk that will help us to get more points, we're gonna live forever, but that is sometimes useless if 1, the killer camps, 2 uses aura reading perks to know exactly where you are. even with that survivor perk, and even if we max it out, we still cant get as many points as the killer can. and it sucks when a killer finds you first, then tunnels you straight off the hook til your dead meaning you totaled as much as 3k points! so many games end like that for me. its nice to finally have some sort of counter, even if we risk the new perk iron maiden and being exposed for a time.

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  • TragicSolitude
    TragicSolitude Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 7,410

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @TragicSolitude said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    for every survivor buff they introduce they have given a perk for killer to counter it... Iron maiden, counters the locker hiding buff.

    Yeah, but the locker buff isn't a survivor perk, they don't have to sacrifice a perk slot for it. But to counter it, killers do have to sacrifice a perk slot.

    If hiding in lockers to block a survivor's aura is going to be a thing, it should at least be a perk. Add it to Distortion or something.

    Do you play survivor? It's hard to counter perks of a killer when 1, you don't know what perks they will be running, and 2, you don't know which killer it will be. I know you as killer don't know what perks a survivor is running until the game starts or until in a chase with said survivor. But us as survivors don't know which perks killers run (unless its totems) until we get hit by the killer. by then its too late, we are going down, nurses for example, we can only figure that out when we are hidden, killer doesn't know where we are, we start healing, whether its self heal or a team mate healing, then all of a sudden killer comes straight to us and smacks us and we are down.
    BBQ, we only know they are running that for sure when they hook someone then come straight to where you are.
    stidor, same thing finish a gen move away from gen to hide but killer knows exactly where you are, whispers... etc etc. so many more perks for killer to find us. we have no perks to counter any of those. even iron will doesn't help against whispers, bbq, stridor etc.

    I think the only perks we have to counter any killer perk is ones where they warn us when a killer is nearby even if we cant see them.
    I know I'm biased, as I main survivor, but I am happy about the new changes. for once I feel they are trying to balance the game, and survivor actually have a chance against a decent play (or one that likes to down and 4k instantly). So many games I play the killer gets the 4k, not necessarily because they are skilled, but because they have so many aura reading perks. Now for those killers it will be more of a challenge...
    Also lets talk about BBQ for its points... as a survivor we have 1 perk that will help us to get more points, we're gonna live forever, but that is sometimes useless if 1, the killer camps, 2 uses aura reading perks to know exactly where you are. even with that survivor perk, and even if we max it out, we still cant get as many points as the killer can. and it sucks when a killer finds you first, then tunnels you straight off the hook til your dead meaning you totaled as much as 3k points! so many games end like that for me. its nice to finally have some sort of counter, even if we risk the new perk iron maiden and being exposed for a time.

    I play both survivor and killer. Killer is definitely the more frustrating role. It's one against four on a large map with many blind spots. Some survivors can disappear into their hiding spots. First thing I do when the game starts is begin patrolling the generators, but with eight gens across such a large area one often pops before I find my first survivor. Survivors earn points by fixing gens, opening the exit, and escaping. The killer has to interact with survivors to earn points.

    Too many things are "fixed" with killer perks. Gens pop too quickly? Ruin? Hex totems destroyed immediately? TotH. Blinded by flashlights? Lightborn and Overwhelming Presence. Having problems with looping? Enduring, Spirit Fury, and Bamboozle. Having trouble getting a survivor to a hook? Iron Grasp, Agitation, Mad Grit, and Hangman's Trick. And now, if you're having problems with survivors hiding in lockers, well just run Iron Maiden.

    Whether or not a perk like Iron Maiden is useful is completely dependent on the group of survivors. If they hide in lockers a lot, then the perk could be invaluable; either the killer gets to see when they leave the locker, or the survivors stop using lockers once they see the killer is running Iron Maiden. But if that group of survivors doesn't use lockers, the perk is wasted.

    Killers only have four perk slots. Unless someone is amazing at being killer, they don't get to have fun and try different combinations of interesting perks; their four perks slots are taken up with basics like Ruin just so their matches don't end in five minutes with zero hooks.

    I run aura reading perks, and even with BBQ I'll often see no auras or maybe just one sliver of an aura over at a gen. Survivors will go one way for a few seconds and then switch directions to counter Bitter Murmur. I rarely see auras with Nurse's Calling because most survivors won't heal when the killer is nearby. Survivors can and do counter aura perks by playing smart. And now lockers can block auras, too?

    I run BBQ, and when I started playing I would always leave the hook immediately after hooking a survivor. I don't see any auras, so instead I go back to patrolling gens. I go to a gen or two and see no survivors. The survivor I hooked gets saved. I go back over there, but the unhooker and the unhooked are gone. As I keep playing, not seeing auras after I hook a survivor means I'm willing to put less and less distance between me and the hook.

    BBQ encourages killers not to tunnel by giving extra points for hooking multiple survivors, and it encourages killers not to camp the hook by showing the auras of far-off survivors. Getting killers away from the hook is good for survivors. Completely breaking BBQ is not going to be good for the game.

    When I play survivor, I suicide on the hook if the killer is camping it. It's no fun, and I'd rather just move on to the next match. Being camped on the hook is much, much worse than the killer seeing my aura due to BBQ or Bitter Murmur.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    It's quite simple. When that change goes through, survivors complaining about "camping killer" threads will go through the roof.

    Don't believe me? Just watch. This change will backfire!

    BBQ was introduced to give killers a reason to leave the hook. You take that away and expect that killers will adapt and play normal? Why should they?

    Devs contradict themselves. They always claimed that camping is a valid strategy. Now they punish it more and more.
    Survivors even get their free unhooks with the BT buff. 

    This game is going right back to the horrible balance decisions we had for 2 years. Where survivors were favored. 
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    BBQ can be tough especially on Hillbilly. Nothing worse than seeing someone hooked snd you have nowhere to hide then a few seconds later he comes rushing over. A lot of Leatherfaces use it too.

    But you know what's scarier than a hillybilly or leatherface wbo comes right for you with BBQ & Chilli?

    A hillbilly or leatherface who camps.

    I know which one I'd rather face as a survivor any day of the week.

    No it wont stop campers being campers but at least it adds some incentive and guidance to get people away from hooks so everyone can have fun.
  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    KingB said:
    If these ptb changes go in effect BBQ will be nerfed into the ground. If it ever detects a survivor after this the survivor is bad. Remove the minimum distance they have to be away to somewhat make things fair. The locker buff is ridiculous and everyone knows it's the devs way of nerfing BBQ without actually touching the perk.
    @KingB
    Hmm, I feel like a minor buff won't be too much to ask for as this perk does encourage going after multiple survivors instead of camping. Maybe when you hook a survivor, you see their locations instead of seeing their auras?
  • SnakeSound222
    SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2018

    @KingB said:
    If these ptb changes go in effect BBQ will be nerfed into the ground. If it ever detects a survivor after this the survivor is bad. Remove the minimum distance they have to be away to somewhat make things fair. The locker buff is ridiculous and everyone knows it's the devs way of nerfing BBQ without actually touching the perk.

    I really hope that BHVR realizes what they're doing is too much for Survivors and nerfs the new Survivor perks before Chapter X makes it to the live build. Survivors still seem to be unable to do basic math or think that well and whine for nerfs and BHVR still seems to want to listen to them instead of forcing them to get good. I remember they said BBQ was balanced and had multiple counters on one of their streams. If these perks make it to the live build in their current state, then I guess that was a ######### lie. The only good thing that MIGHT happen is that more Survivors will complain about camping and the devs will end up nerfing Distortion.

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    quite sure its 7 gens, not 8.
    ALOT of killers camp even with BBQ and chilli, and even with perks like make your choice, ive seen it. Camping is already a problem, because killers don't want to challenge themselves to hunt down the next survivor just because their aura isn't revealed to them...
    I've seen killers have perks such as rancor, then tunnel their obsession off the hook. meaning that perk is useless, and they did that to themselves LOL.

    I know somethings suck, like a survivor can counter a killer perk, but it works both ways is my argument.

    Killer mains moaning that its too hard to get a 4k. wanting buffs to make it easier for killers to 4k EVERY game.. that sucks. I don't expect to escape every game... but if I never escape.. because killers are too OP, then I simply wouldn't play again. I'm sure a lot of people would be the same.

    Needs to stay as balanced as it can be, killers have strength and weaknesses, take those weaknesses away and its not a fair game.

  • SnakeSound222
    SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,467

    @strikingearth26 said:
    ALOT of killers camp even with BBQ and chilli, and even with perks like make your choice, ive seen it. Camping is already a problem, because killers don't want to challenge themselves to hunt down the next survivor just because their aura isn't revealed to them...

    Distortion not being nerfed will just increase that number.

    @strikingearth26 said:
    I've seen killers have perks such as rancor, then tunnel their obsession off the hook. meaning that perk is useless, and they did that to themselves LOL.

    Honestly, if the Obsession is dumb enough to not stay hidden from me or they're the only Survivor I can get, then I'll chase them even if I have Rancor. Purposefully not chasing the Obsession could also tip them off to you having Rancor (unless they're SWF and a dead member told the others about it).

  • strikingearth26
    strikingearth26 Member Posts: 35

    @SnakeSound222 said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    ALOT of killers camp even with BBQ and chilli, and even with perks like make your choice, ive seen it. Camping is already a problem, because killers don't want to challenge themselves to hunt down the next survivor just because their aura isn't revealed to them...

    Distortion not being nerfed will just increase that number.

    @strikingearth26 said:
    I've seen killers have perks such as rancor, then tunnel their obsession off the hook. meaning that perk is useless, and they did that to themselves LOL.

    Honestly, if the Obsession is dumb enough to not stay hidden from me or they're the only Survivor I can get, then I'll chase them even if I have Rancor. Purposefully not chasing the Obsession could also tip them off to you having Rancor (unless they're SWF and a dead member told the others about it).

    No, the example I gave about rancor, I was obsession, I was first found, and caught and hooked fairly quickly, and as i was unhooked, before my feet hit the ground the killer was right there, downed me, hooked again, and again the last time... the other survivor was right there too, but they got me down and hooked then went after the other... that was their mistake, pointless running that perk if they did not intend on using it.

    I've already seen an increase in camping since devs said on a live stream "camping in a strat" its increased at least double from before that, so no doubt it will increase again, alot of killers seem to think its the only way to ensure kills... eyeroll

  • Crythor
    Crythor Member Posts: 296

    @Visionmaker said:
    @Vietfox said:


    KingB said:

    @JanTheMan the problem is it's 4 perks against 16. The blood point bonus is what made the mediocre aura reading ability worth running. And BBQ was balanced before this, the nerf is completely un-necessary.

    @powerbats
    Can u please tell this guy why the 4v16 perks argument is pointless? I'm done for today.

    What killers who say 16 perks imagine:

    "Hey viet, I'm about to get downed, could I borrow your DS? I'll trade you my SB. It's on cd anyway."

    "Oh I'm dead, hey let me give you my Left Behind."

    "You didn't bring Self Care? No problem, I brought it. We can share."

    Its true that you cant call it 4 vs 16 BUT some perks are only needed once or twice in a swf best example is object of obsession if just 1 person in a swf has it and tells his mates over voice where the killer is its A LOT of gain from just 1 slot not 4 times 1 slot. For most perks this is not true but its still an advantage.

    2 times borrowed times instead of 4 also comes to mind with having 2 dedicated savers though object of obsession is still the biggest impact 1 times using perks.

    Nerf aura reading killer perks by lockers and the new perk but not object for swf? Dosent sound fair at all.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Crythor said:

    Nerf aura reading killer perks by lockers and the new perk but not object for swf? Dosent sound fair at all.

    I think object will get touched though since it probably wasn't intended, and what all the people flaming forget it's not even been a week yet. They have to look at the data over the last week here and then make changes from their based upon that and the feedback that's CONSTRUCTIVE 😜and then buff/nerf things.

    There's a great example of that working with the Spirit, most of us said she need a 15 sec base cooldown not 20 and they listened and agreed with us.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    powerbats said:

    @Crythor said:

    Nerf aura reading killer perks by lockers and the new perk but not object for swf? Dosent sound fair at all.

    I think object will get touched though since it probably wasn't intended, and what all the people flaming forget it's not even been a week yet. They have to look at the data over the last week here and then make changes from their based upon that and the feedback that's CONSTRUCTIVE 😜and then buff/nerf things.

    There's a great example of that working with the Spirit, most of us said she need a 15 sec base cooldown not 20 and they listened and agreed with us.

    Yes, constructive criticism is more valuable than saying only demands.
  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    @Nickenzie Like with rancor? That works as long as the range is infinite. 
  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    KingB said:
    @Nickenzie Like with rancor? That works as long as the range is infinite. 
    Not infinite but ya know, further than 54/48/40 meters to balance the perk. You should look at @powerbats suggestion since he has a unique approach.
  • KingB
    KingB Member Posts: 747
    edited December 2018
    @Nickenzie reversing it and showing the auras within 16m? Maybe if the range was buffed. 16m isn't anything, if it was boil over would be a lot better perk. The biggest problem is BBQ was fine before. Changing for the sake of change is dumb.