Why the Freddy rework is terrible (kinda long post)

anyone remember going against red paintbrush monitor and abuse Freddy's? those were pretty intense games

yep stealth freddy was entertaining

bruhh I literally have a freddy thread about his nerf in the works rn, I was going to touch on why his nerfs were misguided, mind if I still post it?

I think a lot of posters in this thread are remembering old Freddy with rose tinted glasses... The inability to interact with survivors prior to pulling them into dream state was a complete shitshow and constantly resulted in Freddy waiting for the transition to finish before being allowed to attack, grab, etc. Y'all can't possibly want that back.

And your opinion is 100% correct!

Yes, our killer does need to return. The feedback is here. It should be only a matter of time.

Not saying it will be a matter of time, but it should be.

But isn't it a requirement to have some form of anti loop in this game? I mean even wraith got a little bit of anti loop with his extended lunge. Old freddy is just m1 knife hand man in this regard or am I forgetting something?

Yeah, if his broken reveal mechanic fails him then he has nothing.

That's what happens whenever they change a perk or power. There will always be a group of people unhappy about the new change and wanting it to be reverted. But, with Freddy especially, that's not going to happen. In his original state he was very weak and the reason he got changed was due to the overwhelmingly negative response and complaints about him from killer mains. This will just happen again if he is changed back.

Personally, go for it, change him back, I'm all for easy games against a Freddy.

That argument is not exactly right, in my opinion. MoM was changed long ago for being broken, how many people want it back? Precisely, none.

Freddy on release was a very good killer, which demanded a unique playstyle, and extremely lethal when truly mastered. Complaints came from people who did not understand him, who didn't want to learn to play as and against him. Laziness, to put it plainly.

For many of us, Old Freddy was a beloved killer and we deserve him back.

We need him back.

I know it because complaints were not restricted to the DLC: the base game also had its fair share and such reviews show your playtime. I know it because I've actually spoken to people who were there at the time, some of them even knew players who negatively reviewed the game and the DLC. And, as expected, less than 10 hours.

And I am not the only one who knows this. Example, here is a direct quote from a review:

"So lets go waaaaay back to when Freddy first dropped on October 26, 2017. Freddy was regarded as very very strong by people who, to be quite frank, were not good at the game. So two weeks after he dropped, BHVR nerfed him and they nerfed him hard."

Yes, the content was subject to change, but improving Freddy without ruining his power wouldn't take much. Besides, imagine if it was your favourite character, which I am guessing it is Nurse. Imagine if Nurse got a full rework and turned into a generic killer with a power that you don't like, not to mention that it goes against your preferred playstyle. Would you think it was "fair"? Would the EULA terms come to mind? I believe they would not.

Last but not least, it is okay if you don't like Old Freddy. I understand and respect your opinion. But it doesn't change the fact that us Old Freddy mains were not taken into consideration when this poor excuse of a rework happened and we most certainly deserve our killer back.

The thing is, they don't have to be. Many users who negatively reviewed the base game at the time, with very few hours of gameplay, mentioned the DLC, and that is enough proof. Reviews of the DLC itself are hard to know, unless they make it quite obvious that they are an inexperienced player, which is an unlikely possibility. Granted, I am talking about what I saw and heard about it, and we've spoken to different people, so there is that.

Also, I cannot deny that I am biased, but that is because we are talking about my all-time favourite character here. And no, my intention was not to disregard the opinions of those who disagree with me, but to take into consideration the opinion of those who truly knew what they were talking about, which cannot be applied to a large number of reviews. No matter the topic, you should never discuss something if you don't truly understand it.

While he is stronger, he is much less fun to play as. His identity is ruined, and we are stuck with nothing more than a generic power. Some people prefer to have fun than to win every single one of their matches. And trust me, it is easy to say that the changes were fair when it is not about your character. What you've said is pretty much what I've said when they changed Legion. It is fair, the EULA confirms it... until they ruin your favourite, that is.

Yes, that argument is vague. But is it really that hard to have some empathy towards those who liked him? Not saying you don't, because you do, but I am talking about the change itself. And there is a clear difference between DS (regarded as OP) and Freddy (regarded as weak).

If I could, I would do it. The result would've surprised you, I guarantee.

Also, I apologise if anything I've said came out as aggressive or over the top. I just really miss my main, more than you could ever imagine.

To be fair, you've only visited the Forums 66 times. There is a huge possibility that you have missed many threads, including those related to him.

Honestly I agree, I'd much rather have unique and weak freddy then slightly stronger but way more boring freddy, I think he is quite possibly the killer I've seen the least since the phase after his rework where he wasn't top tier anymore.

Especially now that Freddy isn't top tier, it just feels like he's around the same power level, only a little bit stronger, but way more boring. I don't think I've even seen him in SOOO long now. It's sad. I keep on forgetting he even exists when I look through my killers or on YouTube.