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Losing on purpose
I've read multiple posts (not here) of survivor players who admit playing bad to de pip and play against less experienced killers because they think they don't belong in their rank (red and purple) they do it because they feel like they get stomped pretty often.
The problem here is they are ruining the game for 3 other players and there is probably no way to solve this since you can't tell if someone is doing it on purpose or they are just really bad playing.
I am interested in knowing your opinion on this? shall rank be hidden to avoid this?
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This is the reason I'm a red rank survivor and a green rank killer. I see no issues with deranking as killer and giving survivors easy games (I still do it interactively, no afks here), but I refuse to throw the game as a survivor and intentionally be a bad teammate when three other players are depending on me.
I guess your best bet for deranking while still being mildly helpful would be to run plunderers/ace in the hole and go around giving cool items to people, so you spend a lot of time doing things that don't give you emblems... but you're still pretty fundamentally useless.
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If they're facing impossibly tough killers then they're as good as dead, and it still ruins the game for the other 3, so I don't see an issue with it. They just need to fix matchmaking
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Maybe they should make ranking harder I swear I got to red rank killer in 5 days and surv as well with literally just doing basic objective if they actually put ranking system that requires actual show of skills maybe just maybe this wouldn't be problem but I mostly see they do it intentionally both killers and survivors to get easier matches and leds experienced opposite side
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I agree, ranking up should take more time and be harder, I also got to red rank 1 as a survivor within a week of getting the game, the problem that I see here is how wide the gap can be between killers, it's not the same when you have barely 300 hours into the game and you are matched against an equally experienced killer with the same amount of hours versus being matched with a red rank killer with 4000 hours into the game, the experience gap is too much and the game doesn't take that into account when matching players hence lots of players who reach red ranks can sometimes feel like they lose a lot.
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But how will the less experienced survivors/killers get better if they don't get curbstomped by players who completely outclass them? /s
But seriously, matchmaking needs to be fixed. I guess survivors have it easier for deranking. I was already getting red rank survivors back when I was a yellow rank killer, so nothing would change if I tried the same.
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Rank is not indicative of skill. Rank means nothing.
gameplay at lower ranks is much harder to stomach than at high ranks.
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I agree that rank doesn mean skilll but it has nothing to do with players who think that way and lose on purpose.
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Many of the posts I've read pretty much say that they don't really want to get better or be competitive, they just want to play for the fun of it and chill with their friends, so it's nothing they really care for.
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There are two kinds of people that derank, the ones that do it to bully which I have no respect for and the ones that are generally not having fun and enjoying the game at high ranks which I don't mind because they're not doing it to hurt anyone else and just enjoy the game that they paid for.
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I dont know how they find it hard most of the green rank killer play against red rank swf during the evening. At least this is my experiance i have on pc because my killer rank on pc is 12 and my killer rank on ps5 is 1 and i only play vs red rank
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If I'm being honest I saw more purple rank solo teammates better than red ones I think it also depends a lot of time you put into game see if one red rank plays 3 hours a day and one purple rank plays 1 hour a day ofc red rank had higher chance to hit red rank without being anything better than purple one just because of time he put into game compared to other (sorry for my English It's not the best but hopefully you can understand what I tried to say)
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They should make ranking up harder then I have the skill of a rank 6 survivor at best and hey what do you know I'm rank 4 or 3
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There is barely any point in deranking as solo survivor. You won't be matched against less skilled killers, you will just be thrown in with potato teammates and your games will become even more horrible. Deranking on purpose is more of a SWF and Killer thing.
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They might as well create a smurf account. You can make infinite of those, and it takes a lot less time than manually de ranking every match. Such a waste of time, for everyone involved really.
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That was actually one of my suggestions but wouldn't that force you to buy the game again and if you are playing on pc that means having another steam account doesnt it?
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Some people love bullying crappy killers. Killers like me. xD
I'm not a good killer and before the crossplay it was very often that I across some people who loved play this way. Some dude rank 19/20 and way more skilled than some rank 1 survivors. They take pleasure by humiliate people this way.
Of course, they trashtalk also after the game. Even if you play fair and avoir any toxic behavior on your side.
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But there's also people who legitimately feel like they should play with less skilled people, I sometimes think that too when the experience between the killer I'm facing and me is so massive that we can't even finish a single gen, it even feels worse when you notice at the end of the game that you couldn't even loop a rank 14 killer when you are supposedly rank 1 survivor. Sometimes I share that feeling but I wouldn't de rank or lose on purpose...
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I am with you in the fact that you are frustrated. This is the worst matchmaking of any game ive played... which is why I was saying its casual. I am with you ... and the devs know... there is a better way to do this... .but you wil never stop people from trolling.... or doing objectives for dailies or archivese... its a part of the game
I laugh. I recommend getting into positive twitch streamers or with a community that likes to play. you can hit me up on steam here is my friend code 74508282 makes no diff how good you are or if you arent rank 1 to me. I have about 1200ish survivor hours in reds and I am not amazing but I can hang.
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Yesterday i watched a video by OhTofu that i think can help prevent such games in the future.
I think the problem comes from rank reset and skill based matchmaking. i share the video here with you.
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It's possible to lose rank even if they are not trying to lose by force. happens that i fail to reach rank 7 even if i do a good job and wins.
If players come to high ranks and have tough games, i guess the problem is how they want to play, for winning or for fun.
At the same time, need to check if every single player sees high rank killer as an issue.
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I feel like when killers do this, it ruins the game for four people, too. Had a Doc yesterday do nothing but stand at the exit gate. Nobody earned more than 13k or a pip. The killer got 0 BP. We didn't even get a safety pip, because we didn't have enough benevolent or evader points.
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They don't want to. Those players don't want to try or put forth effort and BHVR knows it; that's why they won't do anything to balance the game. They simply do not want balance or competitiveness. As much as many of us want a game of this type that is fun, competitive and balanced most of the playerbase wants it to be a goofy party game. But there is no alternative because every company that tries to make a 'DbD Killer' gets clever and messes with the formula, then their game fails and BHVR never learns their lesson.
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I've seen those survivors who just stand there whilst the crows fly around their heads and that very irritating 'bang' alert starts thundering at you.
However, whenever one of those people are there, I now just down them, take the sack of crap down to the basement and dump the offending survivor on the ground there. I know other survivors will go down to heal them up, and I won't make any attempt to take advantage because I want them recovered so they don't bleed out. I'll leave them until the end or they dc.
Either way, those players are basically given the 'naughty step'. They're not likely to change their ways, but if they want to waste other people's time in a trial, I will happily waste theirs and prolong the trial if needbe.
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The vast, vast majority of survivors doing that are actually afk, so you can't really punish them by wasting their time.
It's basically impossible to pip up if you get an afk killer, but you can avoid depipping just by sitting next to the afk killer for maybe a minute once you're done doing gens/totems. You'll get huge evader points for being right next to the killer for a protracted period of time, so between iri Unbroken and Evader and the default bronze Benevolent, you're guaranteed a safety even at red ranks. You'll still get the black pip even if you only stayed long enough for gold Evader as long as you did some gens/totems.
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